Major errors in SP1 proves again Microsoft releases untested crap on the public

[Adam Albright]

Microsoft's "Defender" is a laughing stock. Not only won't it defend
you it often blocks perfectly fine applications from working. Defender
(DEP) is suppose to "protect" you from some unseen Virus and other
threats. I guess the idiots of Redmond didn't think to protect Vista
users from the biggest and most nasty virus of all... sloppy Windows
code that infests Vista itself.

Let me explain...

Prior to SPI I Data Execution Prevention at least did no harm. Now it
can interfere with all kinds of things if you change options from the
default. Why would you want to change settings? Because Windows being
such a poorly written pile of crap, some applications, including
Windows own crap built into Windows can't have DEP "watch" it. I
mostly had trouble with media files throwing COM Surrogate errors.

The fix was simple enough or should have been. Go to System
Properties, Settings, Advanced Data Execution Prevention. Click "turn
on DEP for all programs and services except those I select:" I had COM
Surrogate in this list along with a couple others. The laughingly
stupid thing was even telling Vista to not use DEP for COM Surrogate
it still would anyway, but in the exclude mode at least this error
didn't pop up as often as when it wasn't checked.

Now one thing the idiots of Redmond often do with a Service Pak is
once it is installed it reverts many system changes you might have
made back to their defaults. So in effect DEP was set for essential
Windows programs and services only. This way I got COM Surrogate
errors like crazy, so I set it back to what I had prior to SPI, to
skip DEP for the listed applications, ie COM Surrogate.

Were things better? Hell no, the buffoons of Redmond made things
worse. Now my spelling checker was considered a "threat" by DEP and
moronic Windows told me at boot since the spelling checker is a TSR
application that it had to shut it down for unknown reasons. Ok fine I
don't use it much anyway.

Yesterday I needed to access some Excel spreadsheets, Vista the
steaming pile of dog shit it is said they were in use by another user,
they weren't, but trying to reason with Windows is useless so I said
to myself, screw it, I'll do that job tomorrow.

Well it is tomorrow and a new day. So soon as I boot DEP (Defender)
still nags about the spelling checker and shuts it down. I go to open
a Excel Spreadsheet, Vista nags it has to shut the application down
because it isn't working. I try to open some Word documents. Same mind
numbing stupid DEP message that it needs to shut Word down too. So now
I can't access any spreadsheets or Word documents or my spelling
checker.

I go back to Data Execution Prevention, return it to it's default
setting where it runs for only essential Windows programs, I reboot
and now I can use my spelling checker and Vista no longer thinks Excel
or Word is a threat and lets me run those too.

So instead of being an improvement SPI if I elect the option to bypass
DEP so it won't nag about COM Surrogate errors, stupid in itself now
crashes Word and Excel in this mode. So to use these two applications
I have to accept constant Com Surrogate errors.

What have I proved. The same story, just a different chapter.
Microsoft does not test the crap it releases, often new versions or
patches are worse than the prior version.

Microsoft should be so ashamed, yea right that will happen some day.
Sure it will.

 

[kurttrail]

Microsoft's "Defender" is a laughing stock. Not only won't it defend you
it often blocks perfectly fine applications from working. Defender (DEP)
is suppose to "protect" you from some unseen Virus and other threats. I
guess the idiots of Redmond didn't think to protect Vista users from the
biggest and most nasty virus of all... sloppy Windows code that infests
Vista itself.

Let me explain...

Prior to SPI I Data Execution Prevention at least did no harm. Now it
can interfere with all kinds of things if you change options from the
default. Why would you want to change settings? Because Windows being
such a poorly written pile of crap, some applications, including Windows
own crap built into Windows can't have DEP "watch" it. I mostly had
trouble with media files throwing COM Surrogate errors.

The fix was simple enough or should have been. Go to System Properties,
Settings, Advanced Data Execution Prevention. Click "turn on DEP for all
programs and services except those I select:" I had COM Surrogate in
this list along with a couple others. The laughingly stupid thing was
even telling Vista to not use DEP for COM Surrogate it still would
anyway, but in the exclude mode at least this error didn't pop up as
often as when it wasn't checked.

Now one thing the idiots of Redmond often do with a Service Pak is once
it is installed it reverts many system changes you might have made back
to their defaults. So in effect DEP was set for essential Windows
programs and services only. This way I got COM Surrogate errors like
crazy, so I set it back to what I had prior to SPI, to skip DEP for the
listed applications, ie COM Surrogate.

Were things better? Hell no, the buffoons of Redmond made things worse.
Now my spelling checker was considered a "threat" by DEP and moronic
Windows told me at boot since the spelling checker is a TSR application
that it had to shut it down for unknown reasons. Ok fine I don't use it
much anyway.

Yesterday I needed to access some Excel spreadsheets, Vista the steaming
pile of dog shit it is said they were in use by another user, they
weren't, but trying to reason with Windows is useless so I said to
myself, screw it, I'll do that job tomorrow.

Well it is tomorrow and a new day. So soon as I boot DEP (Defender)
still nags about the spelling checker and shuts it down. I go to open a
Excel Spreadsheet, Vista nags it has to shut the application down
because it isn't working. I try to open some Word documents. Same mind
numbing stupid DEP message that it needs to shut Word down too. So now I
can't access any spreadsheets or Word documents or my spelling checker.

I go back to Data Execution Prevention, return it to it's default
setting where it runs for only essential Windows programs, I reboot and
now I can use my spelling checker and Vista no longer thinks Excel or
Word is a threat and lets me run those too.

So instead of being an improvement SPI if I elect the option to bypass
DEP so it won't nag about COM Surrogate errors, stupid in itself now
crashes Word and Excel in this mode. So to use these two applications I
have to accept constant Com Surrogate errors.

What have I proved. The same story, just a different chapter. Microsoft
does not test the crap it releases, often new versions or patches are
worse than the prior version.

Microsoft should be so ashamed, yea right that will happen some day.
Sure it will.

I could be wrong, but I thought DEP & Defender were two separate things.

"Data Execution Prevention (DEP) is a security feature included in more
modern Microsoft Windows operating systems that is intended to prevent an
application or service from executing code from a non-executable memory
region. This helps prevent certain exploits that store code via a buffer
overflow..." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Execution_Prevention

"Windows Defender,,, is a software product from Microsoft designed to
prevent, remove and quarantine spyware in Microsoft Windows." - http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Defender

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[Gordon]

I could be wrong, but I thought DEP & Defender were two separate things.

"Data Execution Prevention (DEP) is a security feature included in more
modern Microsoft Windows operating systems that is intended to prevent an
application or service from executing code from a non-executable memory
region. This helps prevent certain exploits that store code via a buffer
overflow..." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Execution_Prevention

"Windows Defender,,, is a software product from Microsoft designed to
prevent, remove and quarantine spyware in Microsoft Windows." - http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Defender

You are quite correct. Adam Albright is Adam Aldumb.....and a plonker of the
first water.

 

[Adam Albright]

You are quite correct. Adam Albright is Adam Aldumb.....and a plonker of the
first water.

Do three of a kind beat two dumb fu*ks?

DEP, Defender and all the other sh*t regardless what it's called
included with Vista simply don't do what MicroCrap claims they should.
Repeat until it sinks into the mush that passes for your brain.

I noticed as ALWAYS none of your morons ever can dispute the FACTUAL
parts of my posts. The gist of the post was to document Vista sees
Microsoft written applications after SPI is installed, ie Excel and
Word as THREATS and shuts them down if you set optional settings under
DEP. This of course is stupidity beyond belief. I know its hard, but
do try to at least attempt to understand.

 

[kurttrail]

Do three of a kind beat two dumb fu*ks?

DEP, Defender and all the other sh*t regardless what it's called
included with Vista simply don't do what MicroCrap claims they should.
Repeat until it sinks into the mush that passes for your brain.

I noticed as ALWAYS none of your morons ever can dispute the FACTUAL
parts of my posts.

Dude, not only did I dispute one of the fallacious "Facts" in your post,
I proved that the whole basis of your post was just plain BS.

You are confusing two different things. DEP is not Defender.

The gist of the post was to document Vista sees
Microsoft written applications after SPI is installed, ie Excel and Word
as THREATS and shuts them down if you set optional settings under DEP.

OK, but that doesn't have anything to do with Defender at all.

This of course is stupidity beyond belief. I know its hard, but do try
to at least attempt to understand.

I am very far from being a defender of MS. But when I read bullsh*t, I
point it out. And your OP was based on pure BS.

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Former Self-anointed Moderator
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"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

 

[Mark Roddy]

Do three of a kind beat two dumb fu*ks?

DEP, Defender and all the other sh*t regardless what it's called
included with Vista simply don't do what MicroCrap claims they should.
Repeat until it sinks into the mush that passes for your brain.

I noticed as ALWAYS none of your morons ever can dispute the FACTUAL
parts of my posts. The gist of the post was to document Vista sees
Microsoft written applications after SPI is installed, ie Excel and
Word as THREATS and shuts them down if you set optional settings under
DEP. This of course is stupidity beyond belief. I know its hard, but
do try to at least attempt to understand.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That is because they disputed the parts that were bullshit.

 

[Adam Albright]

Dude, not only did I dispute one of the fallacious "Facts" in your post,
I proved that the whole basis of your post was just plain BS.

Really? Well I guess everyone missed it dumbass. The FACT is DEP
screws up. Now be a good little dumbass and not just dispute it, PROVE
it doesn't. Otherwise you get ZERO respect are earn your sheep label.

 

[kurttrail]

Really? Well I guess everyone missed it dumbass. The FACT is DEP screws
up. Now be a good little dumbass and not just dispute it, PROVE it
doesn't. Otherwise you get ZERO respect are earn your sheep label.

You confused Defender & DEP for your problems, not just DEP. I provd
that wrong, That's my only horse in this race.

Personally, I have turned DEP off right after install on all MS OSs that
include it, so it don't bother me.

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Peace!
Kurt
Former Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"