Linux Loaded Lenovo Laptop..More Linux Slopware..This is getting hysteruical....

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Moshe Goldfarb

* Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ peremptorily fired off this memo:


Actually, H, I find it is usually vendors that screw the pooch with
Linux.

The big case in point giving me headaches right now is Intel's iwlwifi
driver. It may be more "open" than iwp3645 (sp?), but they sure broke
something in the transition.


I gather you don't work at a university, laboratory, server center, or
software house, then.

By the way, the number of half-witted Linux devotees is to the number of
Linux devotees as the number of half-witted Windows devotees is to the
number of Windows devotees.

Explain to me how the hell a major manufacturer can release a laptop with
such basic features as these NOT WORKING WITH LINUX?

he first part of the document covered ´features not supported.¡ Some of
those features are:

* ThinkVantage Active Protection System.
* ThinkVantage Access Connections for SUSE Linux
* ThinkPad Configuration for SUSE Linux
* ThinkPad Power Manager for SUSE Linux
* Wireless WAN Adapter
* ThinkVantage Button
* (Intel Graphics System) DVI Output


http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/Reviews/Lenovo-Launches-Linux-Laptop-and-Leaves-Lots-of-Questions/

http://tinyurl.com/3xqugg

These same features work perfectly with Windows....

Explain that one.
 
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Moshe Goldfarb

It's ironic that your name is Gomez and you're posting with all the
intellect of Jason Gomez aka Syphillis Syndrone: The point here is that a
new machine with a preinstalled Linux distro has compatibility issues
between its o/s and its hardware. It may well be that you know deep down
that it is once again the fault of the Linux distro as is usually the case,
and hence you are seeking to change the topic to a
"Let's-slag-off-Microshaft" free-for-all rather than confront the
substandard nature of Linux as an overall situation.

Linux users and zealots love to blame everything under the sun but their
beloved Linux.

With them, it's always the other person/hardware/company's fault and it's
never Linux.

Could you imagine buying one of those laptops, taking it home and finding
out that half the features don't work with Linux?

Can you say PISSED OFF CUSTOMER!!

And this isn't some fly by night manufacturer, it is the 4th LARGEST PC
hardware manufacturer in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo_Group

IOW it's not like "Basement Bobby" the Linux guru is selling these things.


 
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Moshe Goldfarb

<SNIP>

Soooooooooo......it's OK for OEMs to ship borked Vista installations, but
not Linux installs ?

Just as all your sockpuppets place the blame for OEM Vista installs on the
OEM, don't you think the same goes for OEM Linux installs ?

Oh wait, that's only logical. Nevermind.

That's the Linux way!!
NEVER BLAME LINUX !!

It is ALWAYS some other reason why Linux doesn't work.

If you discuss one of these threads long enough, the Linux Zealot will
eventually end up saying something like :

"Linux is the kernel"
Everything else is not Linux's fault.

Which is kind of like the 5 year old crying uncle when the class bully has
him pinned to the ground.
 
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Moshe Goldfarb

* Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ peremptorily fired off this memo:


Unfortunately, you guys are confusing insult with logic.

So says Roy Schestowitz's number one shill.
Tell me, when someone tickles your feet does Roy Schestowitz laugh?
 
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DanS

That's the Linux way!!
NEVER BLAME LINUX !!

It is ALWAYS some other reason why Linux doesn't work.

But, are you forgetting that is the MS way too ?

'There is nothing wrong with Vista, it's the 3rd party drivers...your
hardware is too old...the OEMs install all their crapware....your s/w
isn't 'Vista compliant'....you did an upgrade instead of a clean
install...etc.

Everyplace you say 'Linux' can be replaced with 'Vista' and it still
makes perfect sense.

Sorry. Try again.
 
R

RonB

Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ said:
Yes you were warned on previous occasions about posting logic to Linux
groups: It confuses the readers.

Clarification:

Yes you were warned on previous occasions about posting logic to Linux
groups: It confuses the <WinTroll> readers.

So when is this Wintroll exercise in "logic posting" supposedly going to
happen? It'll be a huge event and I want to get a front row seat. I'll try
not to laugh too much.
 
K

KUTLOZE SCHEEFGEPOEPTE

http://groups.google.nl/group/alt.ftpsearch.com/msg/66d055e63caeefb9?dmode=source&output=gplain
Synapse Syndrome (aka Syphilis Syndrone - courtesy of Andy, aka #!) is the
former Clown Prince of Retards and was concieved by gregh having an asexual
relationship with his own anus. SS has only recently been annointed Queen of
Retards after coming out of the closet and making his homosexuality a public
talking point. He once said that he had a girlfriend. The group concluded
that his girlfriend's name was Kevin.
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm

Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll

If anyone does anything which will interfere with the
troll's ability to cause mayhem, they can become very
nasty, posting from obviously incorrect variations of the
name etc. insults, call them netcops, netnannies,
homosexuals.

<SNIP>

高ã„平野ã®ã‚µãƒ³ãƒ‘ー <[email protected]>
HighPlainsThumperRafaelGeorgeHostler_Liar_Retard_Nymshifter_NetKKKop_Netnanny
= an idiot!
 
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Moshe Goldfarb

http://groups.google.nl/group/alt.ftpsearch.com/msg/66d055e63caeefb9?dmode=source&output=gplain
Synapse Syndrome (aka Syphilis Syndrone - courtesy of Andy, aka #!) is the
former Clown Prince of Retards and was concieved by gregh having an asexual
relationship with his own anus. SS has only recently been annointed Queen of
Retards after coming out of the closet and making his homosexuality a public
talking point. He once said that he had a girlfriend. The group concluded
that his girlfriend's name was Kevin.


That sounds more like Roy Schestowitz who is married to Mark Kent!

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/471abd2d6d85fdb6



http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm

Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll

If anyone does anything which will interfere with the
troll's ability to cause mayhem, they can become very
nasty, posting from obviously incorrect variations of the
name etc. insults, call them netcops, netnannies,
homosexuals.

<SNIP>

高ã„平野ã®ã‚µãƒ³ãƒ‘ー <[email protected]>
HighPlainsThumperRafaelGeorgeHostler_Liar_Retard_Nymshifter_NetKKKop_Netnanny
= an idiot!

HPT is not one of the more intelligent LinoTrolls.
 
K

KUTLOZE SCHEEFGEPOEPTE

Moshe Goldfarb said:
That sounds more like Roy Schestowitz who is married to Mark Kent!

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/471abd2d6d85fdb6

There is a similarity, I bet Roy is running around in green tights, just
like SS did, to please Mark.
http://www.2atoms.com/images/comedy/worstoftheweb/peter_lg.jpg
http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm

Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll

If anyone does anything which will interfere with the
troll's ability to cause mayhem, they can become very
nasty, posting from obviously incorrect variations of the
name etc. insults, call them netcops, netnannies,
homosexuals.

<SNIP>

高ã„平野ã®ã‚µãƒ³ãƒ‘ー <[email protected]>
HighPlainsThumperRafaelGeorgeHostler_Liar_Retard_Nymshifter_NetKKKop_Netnanny
= an idiot!

HPT is not one of the more intelligent LinoTrolls.

HPT, Marti and 7 have to prepare for a Retards Roundup!
 
M

Moshe Goldfarb

There is a similarity, I bet Roy is running around in green tights, just
like SS did, to please Mark.
http://www.2atoms.com/images/comedy/worstoftheweb/peter_lg.jpg

Hahaha!
That's hysterical!



http://www.hyphenologist.co.uk/killfile/anti_troll_faq.htm

Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll

If anyone does anything which will interfere with the
troll's ability to cause mayhem, they can become very
nasty, posting from obviously incorrect variations of the
name etc. insults, call them netcops, netnannies,
homosexuals.

<SNIP>

--
HPT

高ã„平野ã®ã‚µãƒ³ãƒ‘ー <[email protected]>
HighPlainsThumperRafaelGeorgeHostler_Liar_Retard_Nymshifter_NetKKKop_Netnanny
= an idiot!

HPT is not one of the more intelligent LinoTrolls.

HPT, Marti and 7 have to prepare for a Retards Roundup!

The corral is open!

Last one in is a......

RETARD!!!
 
C

Charlie Wilkes

That's not actually correct; Windows gets replaced with an upgraded
version each time; though the upgrades made to Windows before the
release of a new o/s are pretty radical, and, as in the case of Vista;
don't always work properly initially.

MS made a lot of noise about how Vista was scratch-built... and indeed it
appears to have all the bugs and problems of a new OS.
M$ do release new Windows versions too quickly IMO: As was the case with
Vista; they set a target and rush at the last minute to meet it, at the
same time sacrificing functionality and performance of their new product
for functionality and performance of the company with regard to their
self-imposed schedule.


I disagree; I think the figure is more like 2 years.

It really depends on what you're doing.
Whilst that is true in many regards with operating system/software
upgrades; hardware upgrades in many instances can bring huge performance
benefits.

Again, it all depends on what you're doing. The person who mainly uses a
computer for Internet access and office tasks won't see much improvement
with a HWi upgrade.
It appears that Vista was the herald of an albeit
not-as-beneficial-as-M$-would-have-liked software-led technological
leap. users were virtually forced to upgrade or renew their machines in
order to be able to keep up: However I feel that this was possibly a
one-off ocurrence rather than a trend.

It is a pattern that MS would like to extend indefinitely. Look back
over the past two decades. For many years, frequent hardware/software
upgrades brought massive improvements in system performance and ease of
use... DOS to Win3x, Win3x to Win95, Win95 to Win98 and then to 2k/XP.

But the leap from XP to Vista is of dubious value. What can a user do
with a computer running Vista that wasn't possible (and just as easy if
not easier) under XP?

Similarly, what is the benefit of running a new dual-core CPU as opposed
to a 1.5ghz Pentium from a few years back? It matters if you are
rendering video or playing the latest games... but most people aren't
doing that.
As a small computer builder / retailer I continue to build machines
equipped for both XP and Vista. Personally I much prefer XP and am
convinced that there are so many bugs to iron out with Vista that it
will take a considerable amount of time in order for this to happen;
possibly up until the release of Windows Seven; thus relegating Vista to
the historical ranking of a second "Windows ME".

I wonder what Windows 7 will be like... will it be even bigger and more
resource-hungry than Vista? And will it come with a EULA in which the
consumer is understood not to have actually bought anything, but merely
to have acquired a lease to software that must remain tethered to a
license server for as long as it is used?
I have run Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon and am rather impressed at the design of
it all; although less than happy with its overall functionality.
Although it ran in RAM direct from the CD the automated install crashed
repaetedly when I tried to install it as a dual boot alongside XP on a
computer running a single-core Athlon 64 on a Shuttle motherboard with
2GB DDR2 RAM plus a 512MB Asus graphics card.

Hmmm. That's too bad. I hope your experience with Linux improves.

Charlie
 
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mark.kent.is.owned

I don't know about this product, but I just bought an off-lease Thinkpad
T40 and set it up as a dual-boot XP/Ubuntu rig.

Damn, Thinkpad T40 is ****ing famous.
All of the most
important features (including wireless) worked from the Ubuntu live CD.

Get your story straight. Are you booting with a Live CD or are you
dual booting? Or did you try Live CD and then dual boot?
The truth is that Linux is an excellent desktop OS

It is perfect.
I understand why Microsoft does this -- they
need to keep selling new licenses to keep the shareholders happy. But
the value to the customer is dubious.

Most customers are ****ing stupid.
Any PC made in the past 5 years is
a powerful machine

You must be crazy then.
and most users don't benefit from upgrades as much as
they once did. I think we're near the end of the era where people will
continue to shell out for a new box with a the latest version of Windows
whenever Microsoft decides it's time for everyone to upgrade.

As I said, customers are stupid. They will walk into a big store, see
a Windows computer and bring that damn box home. Freaks will stand in
queues for hours and days in the freaking cold to get their hands on
some $300 junk Windows on Black Friday. Why do you think Vista sells?
Because people buy it. Don't give me the baloney that people are
forced to buy it. If they wanted to buy a system pre installed with
Linux, they would...if they ever knew what Linux was.

Chaplin
 
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Moshe Goldfarb

Damn, Thinkpad T40 is ****ing famous.

It's also about 5 years old where the T60 (the one that doesn't work with
Linux) is current.

Linux is great at supporting ancient hardware.

Got an old green screen and a Hercules Graphics card?
Chances are linux will support it!

Get your story straight. Are you booting with a Live CD or are you
dual booting? Or did you try Live CD and then dual boot?

good catch.

Typical Linux Loony fairy tale "Linux Works For Me".
See Kelsey for details.

It is perfect.

So says Peter Kohlmann.
Most customers are ****ing stupid.

Yep.
See McDonald's, Burger King etc.
Starbucks $4.50 a cup coffee.
And so forth.


You must be crazy then.

Compared to 1969 maybe.
But otherwise, he is crazy.
 
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Dr.Hal0nf1r£$

Charlie said:
MS made a lot of noise about how Vista was scratch-built... and
indeed it appears to have all the bugs and problems of a new OS.

I think they scratched rather badly with it; and it seems they're still
scratching their heads on how to make it work properly.
It really depends on what you're doing.

If you're running most Linux distros any machine from a 286 up will suffice.
That's a good thing in that it recycles hardware; but a lousy thing in that
old computers heat the room better than actually computing.
Again, it all depends on what you're doing. The person who mainly
uses a computer for Internet access and office tasks won't see much
improvement with a HWi upgrade.

Agreed; and here's my plug for kustomkomputa.co.uk: We build individual
machines for customers to use, rather than mass-produce them to sit on
shelves and be bought by people who might never use even half of their
capability - So not only does the customer get what they want but the cost
is also more like what they want to pay. They *are* all high-quality
utilising some of the best components; but why sell a person a nuclear bomb
for a small fortune when they only want a cheap flashbulb?
It is a pattern that MS would like to extend indefinitely. Look back
over the past two decades. For many years, frequent hardware/software
upgrades brought massive improvements in system performance and ease
of use... DOS to Win3x, Win3x to Win95, Win95 to Win98 and then to
2k/XP.

But the leap from XP to Vista is of dubious value. What can a user do
with a computer running Vista that wasn't possible (and just as easy
if not easier) under XP?

Agreed; most of the security enhancements in Vista are overhyped and
outdated already in a way. Vista *is* more advanced than XP in a few ways;
but most of it could have been accomplished with a decent (And fairly huge.)
SP3 for XP without the need for major hardware upgrades. The greatest thing
with Vista IMO is its support for Direct X 10 which utilises a number of
conjoined pixel/texel rendering streams to provide much greater clarity and
resolution; but there are still pitifully few graphical renderings of games
or anything else to utilise DX10 to this day.
Similarly, what is the benefit of running a new dual-core CPU as
opposed to a 1.5ghz Pentium from a few years back? It matters if you
are rendering video or playing the latest games... but most people
aren't doing that.

I like multi-core CPUs: I have 2 main comps; 1 with an Athlon 64 single-core
that I use mainly for watching web video only, as well as a stand-in in case
the other one running a dual-core Athlon 64x2 goes tits-up.(I just installed
XP SP3 RC2 on both of them and will be monitoring for performance.) The
versatility and multithreading of the dual-core far exceeds anything
available from the single-core though.
I wonder what Windows 7 will be like... will it be even bigger and
more resource-hungry than Vista?

Reports from M$ indicate that it will run a stripped-down condensed kernal
which will add greater functionality in terms of performance speed; but it
will be backwards-compatible with Vista hardware. M$ are also planning on
incorporating further web-vased features such as Windows Live.

And will it come with a EULA in
which the consumer is understood not to have actually bought
anything, but merely to have acquired a lease to software that must
remain tethered to a license server for as long as it is used?

I wouldn't be at all surprised; unless M$ have learned anything from their
mistakes with Vista.
Hmmm. That's too bad. I hope your experience with Linux improves.
I'm sticking to XP until 7 is released. I will try the latest Linux distros,
particularly Ubuntu, but on an old comp with a P2 CPU that I have stored
away somewhere. There's been another Ubuntu release since Gutsy hasn't
there?
 
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mark.kent.is.owned

High said:
Dr.Hal0nf1r�$ said:
Gomez Adams wrote:
Subject: 3.4 The nasty Troll

If anyone does anything which will interfere with the
troll's ability to cause mayhem, they can become very
nasty,

Does that sound like your Master 7?
posting from obviously incorrect variations of the
name etc.

Like Rafael, you mean?
insults, call them netcops, netnannies,

Why do you want to drag Kier and Linonut into this discussion?
homosexuals.

Again, what the **** is wrong with you? What has Marti ****tard van
lintard done to you? You must be the one that ****ed is brain out,
right gay?
 
C

Charlie Wilkes

I'm sticking to XP until 7 is released. I will try the latest Linux
distros, particularly Ubuntu, but on an old comp with a P2 CPU that I
have stored away somewhere. There's been another Ubuntu release since
Gutsy hasn't there?

I don't think so. AFAIK Gutsy (7.10) is the latest version. Hardy Heron
will be released this spring.

I suspect Ubuntu will be uncomfortably sluggish on a Pentium 2. DSL
(Damn Small Linux) might be a better choice for such a machine.

Charlie
 
L

Linonut

* Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ peremptorily fired off this memo:
I'm sticking to XP until 7 is released.

You mean 7 SP1 said:
I will try the latest Linux distros,
particularly Ubuntu, but on an old comp with a P2 CPU that I have stored
away somewhere. There's been another Ubuntu release since Gutsy hasn't
there?

Why waste Linux on a P2. Put it on your latest, hottest box in dual
boot. You might learn some stuff.
 
D

Dr.Hal0nf1r£$

Linonut said:
* Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ peremptorily fired off this memo:


You mean 7 SP1, don't you? <grin>

Oh they let you out already! ;)
Why waste Linux on a P2. Put it on your latest, hottest box in dual
boot. You might learn some stuff.

I tried put Gutsy on my 2.2 gig Athlon64 box as a dual-boot and it crashed
during install and trashed the entire filesystem of both the semi-installed
Linux distro as well as XP. Whilst it was good practice to restore my
filesystem to the enlightened NTFS, I was hoping that the result would be
different.
 

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