Linux is ok, since its free, but how about a OS that saves you money?

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Daniel Mandic wrote:
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Don´t be so angry with the Linux User.
Linus Torvald is a nice guy. He have also nice inventions. E.g.
'Crusoe'.
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No, Linus is employed by the people who developed 'Crusoe', it is not
his invention.

The idea behind Crusoe is at least 25 years old. (IOW, that's when I
first heard of it, 1980 or 1981)

Cheers,
Gary B-)
 
Dan Evans wrote:
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No need, gotta pay for Solaris (last I checked) and Linux is free.
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Solaris 10, and subsequent versions, is free.

I have it running on my primary x86 server at home and an x86 laptop.
(No SPARCs at home, bummer.)

Goto www.sun.com and follow the links.

You have to register, but so what.

Oh, and Studio 11 is _also_ free, so not only can you get an industrial
strength OS for free, you can get the industrial strength development
system to go with it for free.

Cheers,
Gary B-)
 
Dan Evans said:
They either don't know about it, or corporate policy says they have to stay
with the current standard.
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A standard which usually exists to make sharing files easier and the
software experience consistent between tasks -- both of which you can
get with any programs.
The Linux machines I mentioned in another post -
the boss almost offered to suck my cock when he found out that the OS *and*
office package was legal, and only cost him my time to install, which he
would have had to pay for for with an MS solution as well.
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It's so common to hear about happy users when they learn about
alternatives to the Microsoft products, I have to figure it's one of
the best things we can do for users.
Who uses all the feature in the latest greatest office versions?
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Certainly not most.
 
Get windows and just install the damn program!
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Right -- assuming it exists, works the way you want, provided you
aren't using an older version OS (because that makes it harder to find
a good tool).
Then you BUY IT!

Part of the issue here was the expense of Windows and of the
applications.
 
You must be kidding. Get windows and just install the damn program!
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Of course, if it only comes for *nix, or fot Mac, it won't work too
well, will it?

Or don't you like it when your argument turns on you?
 
Dan Evans said:
Everyone is riding on someone else wrote before. Escape sequence and Richard
Stallman anyone?
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I didn't mean in a general and abstract way that technology stands on
the technology before it; I mean in the direct way that Google didn't
do anything at all and the whole project is someone else's.

And in addition, the project isn't unique. There are open-source
projects doing very similar things with satellite and map data.

Google's credit is in making it widely available, not in being unique
or creating the product.
 
Dan Evans said:
Most of what I see being done in excel should be done in access, but I get
paid to sort it out when they **** it up, so I don't push it more than a
"you should be using access for this" once or twice a month.
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That's at least better than what I see.
Almost everyone I see using Excel is just making a simple table.

I even see people switching out of MS Word to do it, and then insist
that they need Excel for that kind of thing.

You gotta wonder what would happen to those people if they knew what
non-Microsoft software does.
 
Gee... that is smart.. why dont they learn one of the 500 forgotten african
dialects,
instead of learning a language that may give them a job, and food on the
table
later on , in their lives.
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You've missed the point, too.
If a high school student learns Windows XP now, he has NOT learned the
tools he will be using when he gets a job. That's the point.
He is going to be using a tool 3 to 7 years in the future. (I'm saying
an overview of computer technology in 1992 would have better served a
student than being taught Win 3.1 specifically.)

You haven't given him ANY of what you are intending -- you've merely
set him up to believe only Windows is important.

If you want to instruct such a student, you need to expose him to every
new developing technology -- because it's the things that are coming up
that will be relevant 3 to 7 years later. Not the current version of
only the Windows product!
 
Microsoft can try to limit all it wants...

However they have opened the pandora box to the world, and nothing
can be stopped now.
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Boy, is that ever wrong.
I'll bet you believe all the computer technology that is developed
actually gets used by Windows, huh?

Microsoft is a limiter of technology, not an enabler.
And they haven't opened Windows up to technology, unless you want to
include malware opportunities -- they have a very tight grip on what
Windows users get access to. It's one of their firmest principles.
 
Harvey Van Sickle said:
Not "better", just "smarter" -- because he saw the opportunity, and
proceeded to corner it.
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I'm just saying he may have been smart, but not smarter -- because
there was no one else to use the opportunity.
It's just not comparative; there was no one else getting the
opportunity.

You're certainly right that it was all about foresight at that point.
I'm sure the average businessman would have seen a shorter road.
 
Zitty said:
Using XP on the server and the remote PC's yes - install drivers on server,
printer appears on remote PC's network - print to it and away it goes. No
messing.
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That's pretty nice. Mac OS does such things, too, it just asks first.
Honestly, I've no idea if XP automatically loads the driver over the network
to the remote PC or what, all I know is it works - even with non MS written
drivers.
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Well, with a network it admittedly doesn't matter, if it's a driver
that can't cause any conflicts. It's just risky if we're talking about
drivers that can have any consequences. It would be pretty bad if
sending a job to a printer made the network storage device disappear.
Windows *has* been fairly consistant, although just recently though what
with more skinned apps. and the NET framework its started to go off the
rails again.. but even then most of the time you have a reasonably good idea
when to look for option "a", which is more than can be said for Linux apps.
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I see what you mean. I was making the comparison to Mac apps, which
have typically had more-developed guidelines for UI.
Looking at Iris and Solaris and a couple apps under open source
projects, the problem is significant.
 
Mitch said:
Part of the issue here was the expense of Windows and of the
applications.
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Speaking only for myself, Windows has been less expensive than Linux. I
have a closet full of Linux CDs that don't work that I paid good money
for. My Windows CDs work first time, every time.

I am smarter now. If someone wants to send me a CD like the one of
Ubuntu I just got for $1.99 including everything, I might do it.
Otherwise, forget it. My $90 for WinXP home was well worth it.

Mr Bill
 
Gordon said:
So what makes you think that Linux doesn't have "drag and drop"? Try
Ubuntu in it's current version. NO difference to Windows at all,
except the need for Windows to have AV apps, malware apps etc etc!

Why don't you TRY it instead of making wild and totally ignorant
statements?
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Firstly, I do have Ubuntu. Secondly I was responding to someone who
praised the command line over the GUI for moving files.

Pay attention, dammit!

Mr Bill
 
The said:
[3] If one doesn't have file extensions, with Windows one is kinda
stuck. However, in Linux, one can do things like

$ find . -type f -mtime +7 | xargs file | \
grep '^.*: PNG image data, ' | \
awk -F: '{print $1;}' | cpio -oc > archive.cpio

which will take any file older than 7 days, open it, check
to see if it looks like a PNG file, and, if it is, take
it and throw it into a CPIO archive.

The naive user will probably think this is gobbledygook but it's
actually fairly simple, and can be tested easily by
omitting the tail end of the pipeline. Admittedly, tarballs
are more common, and tar's a little harder to feed.
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If you think that is "actually fairly simple", I give up. We come from
different planets.

Mr Bill
 
Linønut said:
What do you mean? The fact that we geeks have not only GUI operations
quite similar to what you have with Windows, PLUS we also have a more
sophisticated command shell that can make some operations much faster
than a GUI can? That means we don't get it?
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The "don't get it" part referred NOT to you, but to your understanding
of nearly all computer users. OF COURSE you guys think it's simple to
do command line stuff that would look right at home on a Sanskrit
tablet. That's not what I was talking about.

Now do you "get it"?

Mr Bill
 
7 said:
Their own .doc documents and many others.
Just google.
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Puhleeeez. I have OfficeXP at work and have yet to find an old .doc I
can't open.

Try again. Better yet, post one on a website and let me try to open it.

Mr Bill
 
Mitch said:
If a high school student learns Windows XP now, he has NOT learned the
tools he will be using when he gets a job. That's the point.
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I'm not so sure about that. The rate of change in computer technology
has slowed dramatically compared to the '90s. Bill G is going to have a
hard time selling Vista, I suspect, because he can't really do much
different with it that people will want. 32 bit Windows works fine for
most folks and XP is a keeper, despite how much he wants us to abandon
it in a year or two. We'll see.

Mr Bill
 
Bill G is going to have a hard time selling Vista, I suspect,
because he can't really do much different with it that people will
want. 32 bit Windows works fine for most folks and XP is a keeper,
despite how much he wants us to abandon it in a year or two. We'll
see.
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He'll migrate everyone the way he migrated them before -- bulk deals
with OEMs. Of course there will be holdouts, just as there are now
many people still using Win98 or 2K.
 
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