Linux is ok, since its free, but how about a OS that saves you money?

[technomaNge]

ok.. it seems you know little about linux

some apps come in limited variations of installers, if it doesn't work on
your disto so you have to compile the code yourself to make them work. You
may want to use a new application that is NOT included in the distro! Or do
you think that is impossible? Don't you think it is limiting to wait when
and if they will release the app in the format needed to be installed on
your specific distro? And what happens if it never is released?
You would have to learn to compile wouldn't you?

USER FRIENDLY LINUX! you just use the shell and compile.. then you run into
dependency chaos! lol..

You must be kidding. Get windows and just install the damn program!

See how hard kenny tries to make linux look bad:

OK, so you can't find the program you need in the 16,000 packages
available. Here is a strong point for linux - just recompile the
program for your flavor of distribution.

Here is a weak point that proves kenny is stupid: try to recompile
a MAC program to run on Windows. Doesn't work, go buy a MAC to get
your work done.

technomaNge

 

[technomaNge]

Linspire is charging for its OS and services... Sometimes they give the OS
free but you cant do much without their service.

kenny proves again that he is talking thru his asshat:

Linspire does NOT charge for the freely downloadable OS, only
it's one-click style install service for freely obtainable
programs, and other programs that are not-free but are not
the OS.

Go ahead, ask me how I know, then check my headers (big grin)



technomaNge

 

[Bill Turner]

He'll migrate everyone the way he migrated them before -- bulk deals
with OEMs. Of course there will be holdouts, just as there are now
many people still using Win98 or 2K.

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I'm sure that will be his strategy, but it's a different situation now.
Win98 was pretty sucky and people migrated to XP in droves.

Nowadays, people are pretty happy with XP. Bill G will have to do some
pretty slick marketing to get people to move. I'm not interested at all.

Mr Bill

 

[r3bol]

I would really like to bite on this one, but I don't have the time.
People remember, if you want the OS to control your computer then pick
windozs. If YOU want real control then Linux/Unix or some other new OS
(like I was looking at Plan9 the other day as one for the future).

 

[Thomas Lauer]

Good for you. You have more of a clue than the average Windows user. Now,
why do you defend an OS, one that is woefully inadequate for the "non
geeks" that it purports to serve, as the "smooth and efficient" solution?

I don't. I've checked my post and I see that the "smooth and efficient"
bit was brought in by you. If that's your style of discussion, let's
just have a beer.

Microsoft software is also grossly overpriced.

Yeah, on that one we can have another beer.

And now I have to reinstall my crappy Win32 system, to fight all the
virii and malware...

 

[Mitch]

He'll migrate everyone the way he migrated them before -- bulk deals
with OEMs. Of course there will be holdouts, just as there are now
many people still using Win98 or 2K.

He has a more effective trick than that in the bag: enable some
desirable technology through a library unique to Vista which
applications will use. Then everyone buying those new apps will have to
buy the OS -- same as has been done many times before in Windows.

But Bill has a point, too -- as each new OS offers less in real
improvements, it is less of an imperative for knowledgeable users to
upgrade. They can keep using the OS and apps they have, which means
upgrades become much less valuable.
That's as it should be -- marketing and lots of the other tricks don't
work so well on informed people. But it seems hard to guess how the
rate of new version sales will change.
And how is it going to affect things like switching to Mac OS, when Mac
OS is still making real and solid improvements that make a difference?
And even better, where Mac OS versions usually don't break legacy
software or require hardware upgrades?

 

[Dan Evans]

That's at least better than what I see.
Almost everyone I see using Excel is just making a simple table.

Seen that as well, but I don't get paid to sort it out as it generally
doesnt **** up to the point I need to step in.

I even see people switching out of MS Word to do it, and then insist
that they need Excel for that kind of thing.

I've seen people putting an image into word, then send the document
consisting of just an image, by email.

No wonder my covert usenet pr0n downloads on the server take ages.

Dan








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[Dan Evans]

Solaris 10, and subsequent versions, is free.

Didn't know that. I was getting free developer version for a while, but they
just sat there doing nothing as I'm run off my feet sorting out a large
chunk of Barcelona Windows sufferers. 9 is the last version I have here I
think.

I have it running on my primary x86 server at home and an x86 laptop. (No
SPARCs at home, bummer.)

Goto www.sun.com and follow the links.

You have to register, but so what.

Oh, and Studio 11 is _also_ free, so not only can you get an industrial
strength OS for free, you can get the industrial strength development
system to go with it for free.

I'll have a look at that, see what's what. Cheers.

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[Mitch]

Nowadays, people are pretty happy with XP. Bill G will have to do some
pretty slick marketing to get people to move. I'm not interested at all.

It already seems to be working pretty well; recall several posts here
that seemed to gush over the shiny bits and animation in the OS.

(The kind of stuff that is so in-your-face it has to be turned off
right away.)

If Microsoft can make it shiny enough to make the sale, that's about
all that matters about consumers. Their next step is making sure all
the IT departments keep their jobs (or is that too cynical?)

 

[Dan Evans]

Corporations choose
Windows XP because it is what most people know and its simple.

It's *for* the simple. XP Professional needs to have "please help me set up
my network" wizards that take twice as long as doing it the old way, I can't
bear to think of the difference it takes between using a wizard, and opening
up /etc/network/interfaces with a text editor and adding 5 lines of text (at
most, or altering a couple of characters). No need to restart the machine
either (and even XP wants to restart after network changes sometimes).

This is *PROFESSIONAL*, for people who either know what they are doing, or
have on site admins who know what they are doing.

The
hardest task for a windows user to preform is so shut the computer
down

I'd have to disagree and say the hardest task for an average Windows user is
making clues stick.

I'm surprised no one has brought up my current choice of OS yet.

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[Dan Evans]

You've missed the point, too.
If a high school student learns Windows XP now, he has NOT learned the
tools he will be using when he gets a job.

True. I used Apple IIe, Acorn Electron and BBC 'B' at school. Joined the
army, didn't touch a PC for 10 years or so, then ended up using Sun and IBM
AS/390 big iron.

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[Dan Evans]

He'll migrate everyone the way he migrated them before -- bulk deals
with OEMs. Of course there will be holdouts, just as there are now
many people still using Win98 or 2K.

I got asked about fixing an NT 3.51 machine just the other day. I thought he
was taking the piss.

He wasn't.

Last 9x machine I came across was a manky old laptop in October/November

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[Dan Evans]

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Speaking only for myself, Windows has been less expensive than Linux. I
have a closet full of Linux CDs that don't work that I paid good money
for. My Windows CDs work first time, every time.

I am smarter now. If someone wants to send me a CD like the one of
Ubuntu I just got for $1.99 including everything, I might do it.
Otherwise, forget it. My $90 for WinXP home was well worth it.

I downloaded it for free, then burnt it to CD myself. Cost, 25 (euro) cents.

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[Dan Evans]

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Puhleeeez. I have OfficeXP at work and have yet to find an old .doc I
can't open.

Now save it and try and open it in an older version.

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[Dan Evans]

Windopes can at best play one video.

I've had three going at the same time. I have to say they were only small
ones though.

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[Jamie Hart]

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The "don't get it" part referred NOT to you, but to your understanding
of nearly all computer users. OF COURSE you guys think it's simple to
do command line stuff that would look right at home on a Sanskrit
tablet. That's not what I was talking about.

Now do you "get it"?

Yeah, I get it.

_You_ think GUI is better because _you_ can't do CLI.

Right?

 

[Martyn Winters]

I have to say that the latest Ubuntu is just as easy to use as Windows XP,
and safer!

I must try this Ubuntu distro. Currently, I have Debian installed on a
web server and it is relatively easy for me to use, but frightens the
living daylights out of anyone with less experience.

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Peter Köhlmann wrote:

It already is that way, cretinous top-poster

Halt dei pappn!






I am astound how much poster are unsatisfied with kennys top-posting.
It is faster !!!! I don´t have to scroll the whole posting down, till
I get to the new posting, eh?

So much utils installed for faster and easier handling of the System,
and now this.

I must say I am confused about so much ignorance and self-liers!








Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Gordon]

I must try this Ubuntu distro. Currently, I have Debian installed on a
web server and it is relatively easy for me to use, but frightens the
living daylights out of anyone with less experience.

I changed from XP to Ubuntu, and my 20 y-o son who is used to XP hardly
noticed the change!

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Lin=F8nut?=]

After takin' a swig o' grog, Bill Turner belched out this bit o' wisdom:

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The "don't get it" part referred NOT to you, but to your understanding
of nearly all computer users. OF COURSE you guys think it's simple to
do command line stuff that would look right at home on a Sanskrit
tablet. That's not what I was talking about.

Now do you "get it"?

No. You see, I've helped many users, including a fellow who brought me
a floppy disk and said, "I don't know what to do with this."

You made the argument that a GUI is always easier, we showed how it is
not always easier, and all you can say, essentially, is that most users
find it easier to do it the slow way. You cannot say the we do not
understand the average user, because Linux supports tools that the
average user should find quite familiar in look and feel.