Linux is ok, since its free, but how about a OS that saves you money?

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Thomas said:
OOo is a good product with a high geek factor but in my real bumbler's
opinion it's not ready for prime time. Period.
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It's NO different from MS Office 2002. (Excepting Outlook of course). In
fact the learning curve from MS Office 2002 to Open Office is no more than
from MS Office 2002 to MS Office 2003. It does have more functionality in
the "something users WANT" dept, you can export to a pdf file. Most users of
MS Office only use about 25% of the functionality in any case.....
 
kenny said:
I am waiting for a developer team to come up, that will make a
version of linux that will be very user friendly as easy as windows.
I do believe that this will happen. Just like firefox came up and
rivaled IE.
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I think it will happen too, and I'm afraid when it does it will soon go
the way of Microsoft. If they really have a good thing, someone in the
organization will realize they can charge $$$ for it and next thing you
know we'll have another Bill G on our hands.

Please don't preach to me about the GPL. When big bucks are involved
they will find ways around it, trust me on that one.

This business of being "free" will last only as long as nobody really
wants the software anyway. Let there be real demand and look out.

Mr Bill
 
The said:
(Never mind that I could probably move a set of files more
efficiently using 'mv *.jpg ../somewhere-else', than
using 'pointy draggy clicky', though at least with Windows --
and with Nautilus -- I can sort by filetype.)
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By the time you have typed all that crap, hopefully correctly, I have
clicked and dragged the files where I want them.

And any combination of filetypes too, not just .jpg's or whatever. This
is just one among many reasons Windows is so popular and you guys just
don't get it.

Mr Bill
 
Good use of words. 250 million people have downloaded Open Office,
which would be about 1/4 to 1/3 of the world's computer users.
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More likely one million have downloaded it 250 times trying to get it
to work, just like Linux. :-)

Mr Bill
 
kenny said:
you can open documents that micoshaft can't
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First I've heard of that. Which legacy formats can't a MS app open?

Mr Bill
 
After takin' a swig o' grog, Thomas Lauer belched out this bit o' wisdom:
Read what I have written. I wrote about the "user unfriendliness of OOo
geeks" not necessarilt the app. Though if you wanna get me started:-)
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Okay. Well, I'm not really fond of the WYSIWYG paradigm supported by
the word processors (for that is all they are) of today. This paradigm
is easy to use for small tasks, but gets pretty clumsy for large or
complex documents.
Okay, so even a real bumbler... fine with me. I once attempted to post
an official bug report... and I am still convalescing from the effort.
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Have you ever tried to post an official bug report to Microsoft?
OOo is a good product with a high geek factor but in my real bumbler's
opinion it's not ready for prime time. Period.
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If it isn't, then neither is Word or MS Office.
 
After takin' a swig o' grog, Bill Turner belched out this bit o' wisdom:
This business of being "free" will last only as long as nobody really
wants the software anyway. Let there be real demand and look out.
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True. Look at the example of GNU/Linux itself.
 
Bill said:
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By the time you have typed all that crap, hopefully correctly, I have
clicked and dragged the files where I want them.

And any combination of filetypes too, not just .jpg's or whatever.
This is just one among many reasons Windows is so popular and you
guys just don't get it.

Mr Bill
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So what makes you think that Linux doesn't have "drag and drop"? Try Ubuntu
in it's current version. NO difference to Windows at all, except the need
for Windows to have AV apps, malware apps etc etc!

Why don't you TRY it instead of making wild and totally ignorant statements?
 
Linspire is charging for its OS and services... Sometimes they give the OS
free but you cant do much without their service.

Perhaps GOOGLE will dare to make the step... :-)

GoogleOS will scare the heck out of microsoft!
 
Here are some posts I did for the VISTA beta on the vista beta newsgroups...
you cas clearly see that I am not a microsoft drone... nor a troll that
wants to
bash linux just for fun

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Im not talking about the design if its pretty or not... the look is ok...

I am talking about the "user experience"

There MUST be a way to be able to revert to the old way of doing things...

for example have a simple folder list page on windows explorer?
That common places folder on top is tremendously frustrating! After a few
mouse clicks it becomes common places, library and network.. where is my
computer??? lol You have to press 5 or 6 mouse clicks to get back to
that....

The start menu, that pops up the programs on to its self is a REALLY bad
idea!
Xp popped the menu towards the right and then the menus were cascading...
But now there is no way to remember where you were.. and were you want to
be.

At least you have the classic start menu to go back to.....but how many
people will know how to change that back...

And what about the helpful taskpanes that were in XP? they are gone
altogether...
You cannot imagine how helpful they were to novice users... and now all you
have is a bar on top with limited options...

And the explorer and internet explorer bar on top... you cannot customize it
all...
you are stuck with some elements you cannot change...

And the search? What no Google? What is this???

In general I am disappointed in what I saw and frustrated so much that I had
do download another explorer like program (file manager) so I could do
things....

XP was good because it was easy to use... as i see it Vista is NOT easy to
use (at least the beta)

I hope and I am confident that the MS team will fix these problems.. I am
concerned not about me, I can adapt fast since I am computer literate...
but about all the people that will be scratching their heads trying to
figure out how things are done.



<<<<<ANOTHER POST>>>>>

I provide tech support for many people... I can just imagine from saying go
to

start > All programs bla bla bla

I will have to say "go to the little round button like an orb with the flag
inside..."

at least they could make it animated to say start when you hover or
something...

As for your other suggestions I am aware of most of them.. and of course I
can configure my own machine like that, however....
That is not the standard layout... and will create problems for tech people
when
they have to provide support. Its a nightmare!
Also I can imagine all the people getting a new computer with vista, and
they will have to re-learn how to do things. I do not say that advancements
and changes must not be done.. but they must be done for a reason, and to
make things easier.. not harder!

I am just concerned.....

Oh and another thing... the dark colors may have a psychological impact on
all the users of computers. They should hire a team to research the colors
of vista...
its not about design alone. Colors have an impact on mood, and there are
many people who use the computer all day and night. As an artist, and as a
tech I know
how important this is, and is not to be taken lightly.
I would not be amazed to see depression levels increase worldwide! At least
they should provide a choice with colors, like they do with the wallpaper in
the beginning.

XP's Luna theme at least was happy!

Kenny
 
chrisv said:
Yeah? So? Because the above, it means that all people should only be
taught the Micro$oft way of doing things? Despite the fact that that
would greatly limit their choices in life?
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Jeez, don't you have that one size smaller? Get a life, man.
Despite the fact that
getting overrun with virii and malware and having to periodically
re-install can hardly be called "smooth and efficient"?
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Nonsense. I have not reinstalled my Win2k system for four years, after
initial installation. I have no virus scanner installed (hint: look at
my nntp/email client), I have no adware/malware scanners.

I have never had Virus, Infection, Spyware, Trojan, Adware (short Vista)
stuff on my machine... so what are you talking about? About the
intrinsic behaviour of "the masses" or the leaks and bugs of an inferior
operating system?

Every OS is as good as its users. That's the reason why *x is so good
and why Windows is so bad:-).

(I worked under SCO Unix in the 80s and HP-UX in 90s; I think I have an
idea what I am talking about.)
 
Linux is great for servers... you set them up and you don't touch them and
they work forever.

I am talking about the DESKTOP of everyday users, and that is a totally
different story.

Hey since you are so good at Solaris.. why don't you start selling desktop
computers for the family with Solaris on. I bet they will have great fun
staring at the screen scratching their heads!
 
Linønut said:
After takin' a swig o' grog, Bill Turner belched out this bit o' wisdom:




True. Look at the example of GNU/Linux itself.
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False. Look at the example of Apache.
 
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