Java JVM vanished from dozens of Win2k machines?

G

Gerry Hickman

Hi,

Here's the build:

Win2k SP4 with IE6SP1

As far as I know, this will install Java (part of IE6SP1 typical install).
However, after checking for JVIEW a number of machines across different
networks and home users, I see no sign of JVIEW, nothing is "Downloaded
Program Files" and no Java related settings in IE6 property sheets.

At first I thought a security update may have turned it off, but the
security guys are saying no.

My question is; how did it get uninstalled? I'm not aware of any way to
officially uninstall it, even if you wanted to, so how could it vanish from
dozens of unrelated machines?
 
N

N. Miller

Here's the build:
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Win2k SP4 with IE6SP1
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As far as I know, this will install Java (part of IE6SP1 typical install).
However, after checking for JVIEW a number of machines across different
networks and home users, I see no sign of JVIEW, nothing is "Downloaded
Program Files" and no Java related settings in IE6 property sheets.
Click to expand...
At first I thought a security update may have turned it off, but the
security guys are saying no.
Click to expand...
My question is; how did it get uninstalled? I'm not aware of any way to
officially uninstall it, even if you wanted to, so how could it vanish from
dozens of unrelated machines?
Click to expand...

Microsoft lost a lawsuit filed by Sun Microsystems over the MS JVM. I
thought that the MSIE SP1 removed the MS JVM as a consequence of that
settlement. I could be wrong, of course.

I believe that MSFT is no longer providing support for their JVM, also a
consequence of losing to Sun. I believe that the only recourse that you
currently have is to install the Sun Microsystems Java RTE.
 
J

Jim Byrd

Hi Gerry - You can test whether Java is working on your machine at the
following sites:

http://www.pocoso.de/pocoso052.html
http://www.clan.lib.ri.us/clan/javatest.html (This one may be down)
http://www.fitwise.com/testjava.asp (both 1.0 and 1.1 and what's installed)
http://coglab.wadsworth.com/support/browsercheck.html
http://www.ces.clemson.edu/webct/browser_detect.html

and you can test Javascript here:
http://www.dancespots.net/browsertest.htm


There is good information concerning all aspects of the Java situation here:
http://www.javatester.org/installing.html

Be aware, however, that after Dec 31, 2007, MS will apparently no longer be
distributing Java or providing any support for Java including security
fixes. See here: http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/ so you might want
to start thinking about the future. MS Java VM Transition FAQ are available
here:
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/faq.asp

You can get the Sun Java J2SE RunTimes or SDK here:
http://java.sun.com/downloads/index.html (all versions - select using the
dropdown)

Sun also offers an automatic download and install of the 1.4 Java plug-in
here: http://java.sun.com/getjava/download.html

If you want the latest and greatest, you can link to a download for the J2SE
5.0 JRE here: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (What I use,
BTW)



For the MS Java VM, you may need to install v.3805 or v.3809 prior to
upgrading to v. 3810 if you didn't previously have MS Java v. 3805 or 3809
installed.

If your OS is Win2000 SP2, SP3 but NOT SP4 then you can download and install
MS Java VM v. 3809 from here:
http://download.windowsupdate.com/m..._510A502BA8F9B6F19230BB2BCCE87D5474AC9DCD.exe
or here:
http://www.biologylab.awlonline.com...icrosoft.Q810030_W2K_SP4_5849/Q810030_W2K.exe

For Win2000 SP4, follow the directions here: Frequently Asked Questions
About the Microsoft VM and Windows 2000 Service Pack 4
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=820101 "Because the Microsoft VM files are
not protected by the Windows File Protection (WFP) feature in Windows 2000
SP4, redistributable versions of the Microsoft VM can be installed on a
Windows 2000 SP4-based computer with or without the Microsoft VM."


For all other OS's:

Download and install the MS Java VM v. 3809 from one of the links here:
http://ftp.idilis.ro/windows/sp/jvm98/msjavwu.exe, or here:
http://secinfo.huji.ac.il/patches/Win-xp/msjavwu.exe or v. 3805 from
here:
http://www.sijet.com/msjavx86.exe


Then upgrade to v. 3810:

For all OS's except Win2kSP4 obtain v. 3810 here:
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1050022631 ,or here:
http://download.windowsupdate.com/m...l/MSJavWU_8073687b82d41db93f4c2a04af2b34d.exe

For Win2k - SP2, SP3 - you can also obtain v. 3810 from Microsoft here:
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...-9b18-423356321682/Q816093_W2K_SP4_X86_EN.exe

For Win2kSP4, to get 3810 from Microsoft you now have to get Q816093 from
Windows Update Catalog - use the procedure given in the Q820101 link given
above for Windows 98 and Windows 98 Second Edition (Yes, Win98x/SE - it's
not a mistake). You can find directions for using the Windows Update
Catalog functions here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;323166.



Both Java VM's can co-exist on your machine quite nicely. Just select which
one you want to use in Tools|Internet Options|Advanced and restart all IE
browsers. Here, courtesy of Mitch Gallant, MVP Security, is a tiny utility
which allows you to toggle and view status of your current Java VM vendor
associated with IE:
http://www.jensign.com/JavaScience/SelectIEJVM/index.html

A note from Mitch Gallant:

"One note about the JVM Selector utility: If/when you install a new
version of Sun J2SE, you need to manually select to have Sun JVM as default
JVM for IE (in install), or after install via the JavaPlugin control panel.
This generates the necessary win32 registry entries, which must be present
for the utility to know about JavaPlugin. After that, the utility should
work properly."

--
Please respond in the same thread.
Regards, Jim Byrd, MS-MVP



In
 
J

Jan Il

Hi Gerry :)

Try the following and see if it helps:

You can get the Sun Java J2SE RunTimes or SDK here:
http://java.sun.com/downloads/index.html
(all versions - select using the dropdown) or here:
http://www.java.com/en/download/windows_automatic.jsp

Sun also offers an automatic download and install of the 1.4 Java plug-in
here:
http://java.sun.com/getjava/download.html

Or…the latest version is here:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp



If these steps do not resolve your problem, or you need help with the above,
please post back to this thread with the details and any error messages.

Hope this helps

Jan :)
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that's why they're so contagious.

Replies are posted only to the newsgroup for the benefit or other readers.
How to make a good newsgroup post:
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G

Gerry Hickman

Microsoft lost a lawsuit filed by Sun Microsystems over the MS JVM. I
thought that the MSIE SP1 removed the MS JVM
Click to expand...

Can anyone else confirm this. I don't remember ANYTHING documented about
this...
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Hi Jim,

Thanks for that mass of information, but I'm not asking how to fix it or
the status of JVM, I'm asking if IE6SP1 installs it, and if so why is it
not installed anymore?
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Hi Jan,

Thanks for the reply, but I'm not asking how to fix it, I'm asking if
IE6SP1 installs it, and if so, why is it no longer installed? Remeber
I've tested this on dozens of both corporate and home user machines. I
need to know how it gets "uninstalled"...
 
J

Jan Il

Hi Gerry :)
Can anyone else confirm this. I don't remember ANYTHING documented about
this...
Click to expand...

Microsoft and Sun Microsystems Enter Broad Cooperation Agreement; Settle
Outstanding Litigation
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2004/apr04/04-02SunAgreementPR.asp

Microsoft Java Virtual Machine Support
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/

Hope this helps

Jan :)
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that's why they're so contagious.

Replies are posted only to the newsgroup for the benefit or other readers.
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J

Jan Il

Hi Gerry :)

Sorry for the confusion. Try the following:

How can I uninstall the Microsoft Java Virtual Machine (JVM) from Windows
XP?
http://www.winnetmag.com/WindowsScripting/Article/ArticleID/38206/WindowsScripting_38206.html

also.....

How do I uninstall Microsoft Virtual Machine?
http://www.java.com/en/download/help/uninstall_msvm.xml

Hope this helps

Jan :)
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.

Replies are posted only to the newsgroup for the benefit or other readers.
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F

Frank Saunders, MS-MVP IE/OE

Gerry Hickman said:
Hi,

Here's the build:

Win2k SP4 with IE6SP1

As far as I know, this will install Java (part of IE6SP1 typical install).
However, after checking for JVIEW a number of machines across different
networks and home users, I see no sign of JVIEW, nothing is "Downloaded
Program Files" and no Java related settings in IE6 property sheets.

At first I thought a security update may have turned it off, but the
security guys are saying no.

My question is; how did it get uninstalled? I'm not aware of any way to
officially uninstall it, even if you wanted to, so how could it vanish
from
dozens of unrelated machines?
Click to expand...

The current download is IE6 SP1a. It does not include the Java VM, but the
first release of IE6 SP1 did. I do not believe SP1a actually removes the
Java VM. You should switch to Sun Java anyway. (no earlier than 1.4.2.06)

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE
Please respond in Newsgroup only. Do not send email
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com./athome/security/protect/default.aspx
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Hi Jan,
Microsoft and Sun Microsystems Enter Broad Cooperation Agreement; Settle
Click to expand...

Agggggh! Sorry I don't mean can anyone confirm the agreement, I mean CAN
ANYONE CONFIRM THAT MSIE SP1 REMOVES JAVA.
 
G

Gerry Hickman

J

Jan Il

Gerry Hickman said:
Hi Jan,


Agggggh! Sorry I don't mean can anyone confirm the agreement, I mean CAN
ANYONE CONFIRM THAT MSIE SP1 REMOVES JAVA.
Click to expand...

In case you are not aware, sir, using all caps is considered shouting, which
is very rude.

As for an aswer to your question, I suggest that *you* take the time to post
it to Google, then perhaps you will find an answer to your liking.

Good luck.

Jan :)
 
G

Gary Smith

Agggggh! Sorry I don't mean can anyone confirm the agreement, I mean CAN
ANYONE CONFIRM THAT MSIE SP1 REMOVES JAVA.
Click to expand...

IE6 SP1 did not remove Java when I installed it on my Windows 2000 system.
This was an upgrade from IE5.5. I never installed the pre-SP1 version of
IE6.
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Hi Jan,

The reason I wrote in CAPS was because my question had been
misunderstood the first time so I wanted to make it clear. I only posted
the small section in CAPS that was unclear.

I have done some searches on Google for Java and IE6-SP1, but didn't
find anything saying that SP1 removes Java...
 
G

Gerry Hickman

Gary said:
IE6 SP1 did not remove Java when I installed it on my Windows 2000 system.
This was an upgrade from IE5.5. I never installed the pre-SP1 version of
IE6.
Click to expand...

Thanks Gary.
 
R

Robert Aldwinckle

Gerry Hickman said:
Hi Frank,



I'm at the Microsoft site now and can find reference to SP1a

<http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/downloads/critical/ie6sp1/default.mspx>

Could you point me to docs/downloads related to this?
Click to expand...


Did you try a search?


<title>INFO: Availability of Current Build of Microsoft VM</title>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;163637

links to several articles that Jim and Jan already gave you including:

<title>Frequently Asked Questions About the Microsoft VM and Windows 2000 Service Pack 4</title>
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/820101

and

<TITLE>Transitioning from the MSJVM: Frequently Asked Questions</TITLE>
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/faq.asp


(MSKB search for
SP1a, Java
)


Hmm... are any of these problem machines SBS?

Then another answer to your question may be that
somebody uninstalled and reinstalled some service packs
and thus lost the original service pack which installed MSJVM
(similar to an XP user who downloaded the original XPsp1
uninstalling it and then downloading and installing XPsp1a)

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...D0-1FAC-4927-84D7-189FA1B690BE&displaylang=en

(Google web search for
java "virtual machine" "small business server" "service pack"
)


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
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