Java not working in IE

[ISA Newbie]

I have read quite a few posts here and on other sites about folks having
problems running Java in IE.

I currently have that problem on a few machines, and are looking for a
resolve. This seems to be occuring on IE 6, on both XP SP1, XP SP2 and 2000
machines. So far specifically IE 6.0.2800.1106 SP1.

We have MSVM 3810 (yes I understand it is no longer being supported so
please don't tell me that) installed as well as Sun Java 1.5.0_04. We have
uninstalled, and reinstalled, and java is enabled in the browser and in the
control panel. When we try to load various applets, we get messages like
"Java is not enabled" or "Java is not working" - but it is installed and
enabled and applications can run - just not items in the IE browser. Sun
works in other browsers on the machine, just chooses to not work in IE.

I'm starting to dig into anything I can find and are trying anything I can
find to fix the problem. I've checked security settings in IE. I'm trying to
delete items from in the Downloaded Programs Folders (incase they are
corrupted). I am removing applets from in the java control panel, I've tried
re-registering URLMON.DLL and resetting web settings in IE..My next step is
to start checking registry to see if there is something in there - maybe bad
user agent string, or something like that...? I've also disabled 3rd party
BHO's in the advanced tab in IE Options. I've tried cleaning temporary
internet files and deleting the java cache in the control panel. We've tried
running anti-spyware programs and nothing is coming up.

I've started to check recent hotfixes to see if that could be culpret since
the problems started occuring within the past few months.

I'm slowly running out of ideas other than format and reload - and I am much
too interested in finding what the problem is than to give up and reload
especially since this behavior is on multiple machines and not just one. I
know it isn't just my machines since there seems to be a lot of similar
posts on the web.

I've tried coming up with a common denominator for all the machines, but
they are different OS's - all running IE 6 and some have McAffee of some
sort running on them, and yes - I have checked firewalls to make sure java
isnt blocked on the local machine. I have a friend who works at a local
college and is also seeing this problem on a few of her machines.

Any other suggestions greatly appreciated ! I'm sure others have seen this
problem or are having this problem - any input welcomed.

Shayla

 

[ISA Newbie]

I am able to reproduce the issue (or at least get it close to reproduction)
by unregistering msjava.dll and jvm.dll - but aren't sure what could be
"automatically" unregistering these dll files.... any thoughts ?

 

[Don Varnau]

Hi,
Have you been through the settings of all third-party security programs,
ad-blockers, etc? Are there any programs running that might be blocking
scripts, scripting, active content?

Don
[MS MVP- IE]

 

[Daniel]

Hi

jumping into this thread, I have looked at everything, switched on and off,
the thing is that it all works with the "other" browser.

If you look at the NG and the Java NG you will see that this is an issue for
a lot of people and has been for some time.
I have had he problem for a couple of years.
We have all been forced to use other browsers when we need Java to work.

BUT I want to use IE and would love MS to take this seriously.

cheers

Daniel

Hi,
Have you been through the settings of all third-party security programs,
ad-blockers, etc? Are there any programs running that might be blocking
scripts, scripting, active content?

Don
[MS MVP- IE]

I have read quite a few posts here and on other sites about folks having
problems running Java in IE.

I currently have that problem on a few machines, and are looking for a
resolve. This seems to be occuring on IE 6, on both XP SP1, XP SP2 and 2000
machines. So far specifically IE 6.0.2800.1106 SP1.

We have MSVM 3810 (yes I understand it is no longer being supported so
please don't tell me that) installed as well as Sun Java 1.5.0_04. We
have
uninstalled, and reinstalled, and java is enabled in the browser and in the
control panel. When we try to load various applets, we get messages like
"Java is not enabled" or "Java is not working" - but it is installed and
enabled and applications can run - just not items in the IE browser. Sun
works in other browsers on the machine, just chooses to not work in IE.

I'm starting to dig into anything I can find and are trying anything I
can
find to fix the problem. I've checked security settings in IE. I'm trying to
delete items from in the Downloaded Programs Folders (incase they are
corrupted). I am removing applets from in the java control panel, I've tried
re-registering URLMON.DLL and resetting web settings in IE..My next step is
to start checking registry to see if there is something in there - maybe bad
user agent string, or something like that...? I've also disabled 3rd
party
BHO's in the advanced tab in IE Options. I've tried cleaning temporary
internet files and deleting the java cache in the control panel. We've tried
running anti-spyware programs and nothing is coming up.

I've started to check recent hotfixes to see if that could be culpret since
the problems started occuring within the past few months.

I'm slowly running out of ideas other than format and reload - and I am much
too interested in finding what the problem is than to give up and reload
especially since this behavior is on multiple machines and not just one.
I
know it isn't just my machines since there seems to be a lot of similar
posts on the web.

I've tried coming up with a common denominator for all the machines, but
they are different OS's - all running IE 6 and some have McAffee of some
sort running on them, and yes - I have checked firewalls to make sure
java
isnt blocked on the local machine. I have a friend who works at a local
college and is also seeing this problem on a few of her machines.

Any other suggestions greatly appreciated ! I'm sure others have seen
this
problem or are having this problem - any input welcomed.

Shayla

 

[ISA Newbie]

Exactly! I have checked all 3rd party products, and disabled 3rd party BHO's
within IE itself. There is nothing on any of my machines blocking java in
anyway shape or form and nothing on the network blocking java especially
since other browsers work fine.

This is a problem that I have seen not only on the Java NG, but all over the
internet. Usually the users of IE aren't technical minded - so usually the
fix for them in format/reload. I am a techie, so that is not an option for
me at this time.

I want to know why my browser broke - even if it is spyware related or
something and I just can't find it - I want to know what it is. I have done
everything I can to fix this that I can think of. Maybe if enough of us
gather info, MS will give a response.

Does anyone know of any current spyware/malware etc that does disable java
in anyway?

Shayla

 

[Charlie Tame]

Would have helped if you had quoted what's happened so far 'cos I am now
getting late for work...

Did you have the info bar giving messages about "This page has active
content" or whatever and has that suddenly stopped working. I am thinking a
few may be having the bar not showing but active content still blocked by
it.

Have a look here and see what you think, please let us know if this helps.

http://howtofixcomputers.com/bb/sutra598553.html

Charlie

 

[ISA Newbie]

Let's go back into an overview on what I specifically have done - maybe
others have more ideas.I might have missed a step here - hopefully I listed
everything.

Sun Java 1.5.0_04 and MSVM 3810 on Windows 2000 and Windows XP SP1, and SP2

I have read on 2 newsboards that a "reinstall" over windows fixed the
problem, so that tells me somewhere a file is goofed up belonging to MS -
but I definately do not want to reinstall "over" windows - not exactly my
idea of a clean install... probably more problems with that than having my
java broken. Some of the machines that are broken belong to my customers so
I am limited on what I can do with those (change registry etc), but I can
gather any necessary information..

None of my machines have any *junk* installed on them - like games etc..
only work related items. No homegrown applications either.

1.) cleaned browser cache and temp internet files
2.) removed and reinstalled Java 1.5.0_04 or in some cases removed and
upgraded to the newest version
3.) checked tools > manage add ons for stale java installs
4.) cleared java cache from the Sun Java console in the control panel in
windows
5.) disabled 3rd party BHO's from within IE (Tools > Options > Advanced)
6.) Ran Spybot and Adaware, Hijack this is next when I have a few minutes
7.) Disabled any personal firewalls (McAffee)
8.) Checked settings within IE for active x, scripting and java applets -
browser security set to medium
9.) re-registered jvm.dll and msjava.dll
10.) installed all service packs available through windows update
11.) ran windows system file checker (/SFC)
12.) tried older versions of Sun Java
13.) checked Downloaded Program Files folder for bad installs of java
14.) the obvious - checked to make sure java was enabled in the browser
15.) checked to make sure there wasn't any policies being pushed (they are
on different networks) that could interfere with Java
16.) checked to make sure <applet> tags were enabled for IE in the control
panel - this shouldn't be an issue since there are some applets written with
<object> instead that should work if this were the problem

What I have NOT tried to do yet -
1.) Unistall Sun and MSVM using the MSVM removal tool from MS
2.) Dirty install of windows
3.) Hijack This
4.) System restore - not all my systems are XP that are having this problem
so this is not an option


After this I think I should go for IE MVP - what do you all think I know
more about IE and Java than I ever wanted to know - LOL (yes, I know there
is more to IE than just Java - I'm kidding!!)


Suggestions? Comments? Ideas? Fixes? Help?

 

[ISA Newbie]

Did you have the info bar giving messages about "This page has active

content" or whatever and has that suddenly stopped working. I am thinking
a few may be having the bar not showing but active content still blocked
by it.

No Active X bar showing up anywhere.. we're talking about ALL java being
broken, not just pages regarding Active X content. I do believe that we
still do get that bar on pages where appropriate - I will verify just to
make sure my facts are straight. Everything else works - it's just java.

 

[ISA Newbie]

Oh, and add in that I re-registered URLMON.DLL and then set the "reset web
settings" button in IE.

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE]

Let's go back into an overview on what I specifically have done -
maybe others have more ideas.I might have missed a step here -
hopefully I listed everything.

Sun Java 1.5.0_04 and MSVM 3810 on Windows 2000 and Windows XP SP1,
and SP2

I have read on 2 newsboards that a "reinstall" over windows fixed the
problem, so that tells me somewhere a file is goofed up belonging to
MS - but I definately do not want to reinstall "over" windows - not
exactly my idea of a clean install... probably more problems with
that than having my java broken. Some of the machines that are broken
belong to my customers so I am limited on what I can do with those
(change registry etc), but I can gather any necessary information..

None of my machines have any *junk* installed on them - like games
etc.. only work related items. No homegrown applications either.

1.) cleaned browser cache and temp internet files
2.) removed and reinstalled Java 1.5.0_04 or in some cases removed and
upgraded to the newest version
3.) checked tools > manage add ons for stale java installs
4.) cleared java cache from the Sun Java console in the control panel
in windows
5.) disabled 3rd party BHO's from within IE (Tools > Options >
Advanced)
6.) Ran Spybot and Adaware, Hijack this is next when I have a few
minutes
7.) Disabled any personal firewalls (McAffee)
8.) Checked settings within IE for active x, scripting and java
applets - browser security set to medium
9.) re-registered jvm.dll and msjava.dll
10.) installed all service packs available through windows update
11.) ran windows system file checker (/SFC)
12.) tried older versions of Sun Java
13.) checked Downloaded Program Files folder for bad installs of java
14.) the obvious - checked to make sure java was enabled in the
browser
15.) checked to make sure there wasn't any policies being pushed
(they are on different networks) that could interfere with Java
16.) checked to make sure <applet> tags were enabled for IE in the
control panel - this shouldn't be an issue since there are some
applets written with <object> instead that should work if this were
the problem

What I have NOT tried to do yet -
1.) Unistall Sun and MSVM using the MSVM removal tool from MS
2.) Dirty install of windows
3.) Hijack This
4.) System restore - not all my systems are XP that are having this
problem so this is not an option


After this I think I should go for IE MVP - what do you all think
I know more about IE and Java than I ever wanted to know - LOL (yes,
I know there is more to IE than just Java - I'm kidding!!)


Suggestions? Comments? Ideas? Fixes? Help?

Tools | Internet Options | Advanced
Make sure that only the Sun Java is checked.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE
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Protect your PC
http://www.microsoft.com./athome/security/protect/default.aspx
http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/

 

[ISA Newbie]

Tools | Internet Options | Advanced
Make sure that only the Sun Java is checked.

Guess I should have listed that too... already done and tried Sun and MSVM
by themselves....

 

[Charlie Tame]

No Active X bar showing up anywhere.. we're talking about ALL java being
broken, not just pages regarding Active X content. I do believe that we
still do get that bar on pages where appropriate - I will verify just to
make sure my facts are straight. Everything else works - it's just java.

I said active content, not ActiveX. Scripting is considered active by the
bar (And yes I know you don't mean JavaScript). If some systems don't have
that updated version of IE it's irrelevant anyway, but I think some folks
may be having a problem because the info bar technology is blocking active
content but refusing to show up so you can't permit it.

Charlie

 

[ISA Newbie]

I said active content, not ActiveX. Scripting is considered active by the

bar (And yes I know you don't mean JavaScript). If some systems don't have
that updated version of IE it's irrelevant anyway, but I think some folks
may be having a problem because the info bar technology is blocking active
content but refusing to show up so you can't permit it.

I don't think that's it either really (sorry, I did misread your message
earlier for Active X when in fact it should have been active content).

I've made sure that I have checked Active scripting and Scripting of Java
Applets in IE... but this problem is on windows 2000 as well - I didn't
think the info bar was part of 2000, only XP...

 

[Charlie Tame]

I don't think that's it either really (sorry, I did misread your message
earlier for Active X when in fact it should have been active content).

I've made sure that I have checked Active scripting and Scripting of Java
Applets in IE... but this problem is on windows 2000 as well - I didn't
think the info bar was part of 2000, only XP...

Ah okay, well there does seem to be some mysterious problem going around
with IE right now. Do you use a router or is the machine direct to the
modem?

I probably won't get back again until tomorrow night so if you do we did
have one problem recently with similar symptoms that turned out to be
something to do with router settings (Although other machines on same router
were okay) so a direct connect might be a useful test.

Charlie

 

[ISA Newbie]

I do believe that we have had one or two that are direct connect (directly
to a cable modem w/o router) - but I would need to verify.

It seems to me more that it would be directly related to windows / IE and
not a router - especially if other pc's are not showing the same behavior
and almost all pcs are on completely different networks, except for 2 which
are on a college network, but different departments I believe.

 

[Charlie Tame]

I do believe that we have had one or two that are direct connect (directly
to a cable modem w/o router) - but I would need to verify.

It seems to me more that it would be directly related to windows / IE and
not a router - especially if other pc's are not showing the same behavior
and almost all pcs are on completely different networks, except for 2
which are on a college network, but different departments I believe.

Yep, it seemed that way to us too but plugged in directly to the modem cured
the problem and we concluded that some MTU settings had been changed and
there was the problem, another machine on same router worked fine. That is
the reason I asked, just in case you could put anything together with it. If
the PCs are on different systems though that does make it even less likely.
http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks has a test which will show if anything is
wildly out but from your reply I do doubt that is the problem. At this point
I am stuck for more suggestions.

Charlie

 

[Robert Aldwinckle]

I currently have that problem on a few machines

If you have access to multiple machines, some which have the problem
and some which don't, I suggest you try activating the Java console and
and any other diagnostics that Java provides. Comparing outputs from
the two cases are very likely to provide useful clues about what is happening
as well as what is not happening even if you don't really understand either
diagnostic separately. I suspect that would give you a much better problem
symptom description than "Java not working in IE". <eg>

Alternatively, you also have the opportunity to create your own traces
using tools such as RegMon and FileMon or even Fiddlertool,
again with the object being to spot significant differences in their traces,
even though you may not understand all the details in each.


Good luck

Robert Aldwinckle
---

 

[mmongeau]

I came across this thread while researching the same exact problem I'm having on my own PC. I'm running Windows XP SP2 and IE 6.0 with JRE 5.0_5 on a farily new laptop. I have never been able to run Java applets since getting this laptop about 6 months ago.

After reading threads in various newsgroups and doing some testing it appears IE is ignoring the APPLET tag.

Take a look at this page, at the Demos section about halfway down the page:

http://java.sun.com/products/plugin/index-1.4.html

The demos are provided using two different methods: with APPLET tags and with OBJECT/EMBED tags. I cannot run any of the demos that use the APPLET tag but I can run all the demos that use the OBJECT/EMBED tags. With Java logging/tracing turned on I can go to the APPLET-based demos and nothing is recorded. When I go to the demos that use OBJECT/EMBED all the tracing/logging information is recorded in c:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Application Data\Sun\Java\Deployment\log.

So it appears that Java is working fine but for whatever reason IE does not recognize (or is ignoring) the APPLET tag. I just don't know how to fix it. I've spent hours searching the web looking for an answer and have come up empty so far.

Michael

 

[princessfrozen]

Did you ever get this to behave? I have a user in my environment that
is having the exact same problem. I installed firefox and the site in
question loaded perfectly. In IE, no dice and I've done just about all
the things you have. Thanks in advance.

 

[Daniel]

I continue to have troubles and continue to try to fix them
but so far no go.
This extract from another NG might help, it did not for me but
it seems to make sense so it may help you.

Daniel

Hello. The problem here, as I can see, is that there seems to be much
confusion between two completely different things - Java and Javascript.
Java, a compiled programming language, uses applets, and requires that you
have a Java engine installed (Like Sun's Java). If you're looking to run
Javascripts, scripted runtime interpreter, which is required to view most
web pages.

Microsoft used to include the Javascript Virtual Machine with all
operating system releases, but has discontinued this practice. You may
still locate the VM on the Microsoft site and download it. An alternative
is to use Sun Microsystems Javascript interpreter - that may also be
downloaded (http://www.sun.com). Once this is done, terminate and restart
Internet Explorer, and the interpreter will be automatically enabled - you
may have to look in the IE Internet Options (Tools menu) to choose which
interpreter you wish to use (if both are installed on your computer).

That should be it - sites using javascript will run automatically, once
javascript is enabled. Note also that you might also check your Internet
Explorer security settings to ensure javascript is turned on (medium level
[default] security is fine).