Is Linux A Joke? It's free so why are so few using Linux?

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Stephan Rose

Not on my machine.


Existent ... existent.


Learn how to download fonts.

He shouldn't have to.

That said, I never had a problem with 7.04 font rendering, it looked
perfectly fine to me...7.10 though *does* somehow do something different
that does make them look better. I can't quite put my finger on what
exactly it does different, but it does...
Works great with my nVidia card.


So what? What uses that?


Not on my machine. It's much faster than XP was on the same machine.


Buy an HP printer and get over it.

I suspect he never bothered adding it. I checked into the printer driver
list and I found a very long list of Lexmark printers that are supported.
Learn how to configure your video card. It's three clicks.

Difficult though to make the 3 clicks when one can't see the mouse
pointer, isn't it?
I'm using it right now with no problems at all.


Try using a Ubuntu native burner like GnomeBaker.

K3b *is* a native burner...and for all you know, he was running the KDE
desktop which means that K3b would be the default burner.
You used the wrong program, of course.

K3b is not the wrong program. It's not my choice either, but it most
certainly is not wrong. And for all you know, he was ru
Gosh, I didn't have any of those problems and I am listening to Amarok
as I type, great program!

That doesn't make his problems any less non-existing Alias. A "It works
on my system so the problem can't exist" response is about as useless as
it gets.

Now I'll say that some of his problems are just out of plain ignorance
from expecting Linux to be identical to Windows. However, he does have
some, even if only very few, actual genuine issues that I can understand
without a problem. Issues that releases such as the upcoming 7.10 release
in October addresses. So if Ubuntu Developers feel that they need to
address such problems, they must exist don't you think?

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Stephan Rose

Not the OP's experience.


Not the OP's experience.

It took me three clicks and I didn't use a command line (that involves
typing, not clicking).

Alias, what part of "Out of range" error on a monitor don't you
understand?


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dennis@home

Alias said:
Not the OP's experience.

Assumption based on the poor understanding of the evidence.

He had an "out of range" box, they are frequently accompanied by nothing
else.
If the display can show what is being sent why would it be "out of range"?
Not the OP's experience.

More assumptions.
It took me three clicks and I didn't use a command line (that involves
typing, not clicking).

"Out of range"!
 
R

Richard Urban

I am not being trolled. The Linux tools are being trolled. AND, THEY ARE
HERE IN NUMBERS AS YOU CAN SEE.

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Richard Urban
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(For email, remove the obvious from my address)
 
V

VanguardLH

Easy question to answer once you have actually tried Linux.

I just finished tossing a Ubuntu CD in the trash because that is
where
it belongs.
Now I truly understand why Linux can't seem to break into the
desktop
market.
Linux sucks.
The programs look like something Windows had 15 years ago with
Windows
3.1.
The help system is non existant.
The fonts are terrible.
The graphics support is terrible.
There is no Direct-X 10 support.
The interface is crude and slow.
My printer wasn't even recognized (Lexmark).
My widescreen monitor came up with an out of range box sqaure in the
middle of the screen instead of the 1440x960 it should be.
Some application called Amarok kept freezing up on me when it would
search my drives for media. What a non-intuitive POS that program
Amarok is.
I tried burning a DVD with k3b and it made a perfect coaster every
time.
This is with a high end Plextor drive.
Why don't Plextools work with Linux?

And the list goes on.
I can't spend my life searching Google for answers so back to Vista
I
go.
At least Vista works.
Linux?

It just sucks, mostly your time.

"Linux, if you think you hate it now, wait until you try it"


Oh, so you measure an "operating system" by everything that is NOT
part of the operating system. I use Windows at home and work. We
have Windows servers at work. We also have UNIX servers (AIX, HPUX,
Solaris, Redhat, SuSE). As far as the OPERATING SYSTEM goes, and
despite my personal preference for *using* Windows, I still see UNIX
as a far more competent OPERATING SYSTEM. However, I still like
Windows because of all the **FLUFF* that is supported on it. DirectX
is *not* part of the operating system. It is a subsystem. Windows
Media Player, Paint, 3rd party tools (Acrobat, Eraser, anti-malware),
Windows firewall, games, Office, and all that other stuff is NOT the
operating system. You obviously can't figure out that you are
supposed to FIRST select what are your critical or most important
tasks, what applications can accomplish those tasks, on which OS those
apps are supported, and then LASTLY pick the operating system.

Just because you got the procedure ass backwards is your fault. If
the games you want to play are only supported on Windows, well, duh
****off, guess which operating system you need. If you want a stable
and highly reliable file server or want to support multiple users
(where it is supported in the OS and not with tack-on fluffware, like
Terminal Services), well, duh ****off, you go with UNIX. We have both
Windows and UNIX servers. We only have to bring down the UNIX servers
when absolutely required by the developers with patches are demanded
by the product under test, and that's maybe every 6 months (but the
production UNIX servers stay up for years, and we can even prep
another partition [not the lingo used in Windows world for drive
sectioning] with a new version of the OS and slide it in when ready
without interferring with anyone's work). I don't recall that we've
managed to keep the Windows servers running for more than 6 months
(and that was under careful and strict control of updates that were
necessary for us, not for Microsoft). In fact, a few years ago, no
one even knew about a defect in the uptime counter in Windows 2000
Server where it caused an overflow that halted the OS if it had been
running for over something around 3 months simply because no one had
it up that long. Admins knew that they had to do the famous "reboot
to fix" procedure to get it back running. And Vista is NOT a new
operating system version.

GUI changes and more or different fluffware does not a new OS make,
but they had to do something to excite the flat sales, even when they
had to dump WinFS so they could start selling Vista. You probably
cannot give a GOOD and rational reason why you even choose to move to
Vista from your prior version. Just like consumers buying cars not
because they aren't working but because they've been trained to want
something new, Microsoft knows how to do marketing, too.

You use whichever OS suits your tasks. You don't make your tasks suit
the OS. I'm sure choosing a proper OS is beyond the intelligence of a
Google Grouping whiner who thinks a webnews-for-dummies interface is
Usenet.
 
A

ArameFarpado

Em Segunda, 24 de Setembro de 2007 19:51, David B. escreveu:
Really? I don't recall reading that anywhere in the newsgroup netiquette,
or is that your own version that changes on the fly when someone has an
opinion different from your own?
If you guys actually had an OS worth defending you would provide
The OS in question is not ours and it doesn't need to be defended by nothing
or anyone, it does that job nicely on it's own...
intelligent replies with some useful insight rather than attacking the OP
because he called your precious OS a joke.
So what ? the guy is a troll... and none of you wintards would understand an
intelligent reply.

bye
 
T

The Ghost In The Machine

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, (e-mail address removed)
<[email protected]>
wrote
Easy question to answer once you have actually tried Linux.

I just finished tossing a Ubuntu CD in the trash because that is where
it belongs.
Now I truly understand why Linux can't seem to break into the desktop
market.
Linux sucks.
The programs look like something Windows had 15 years ago with Windows
3.1.

Pardon me...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Windows_3.11_workspace.png

*That* is a classic Win3.11 desktop.

http://www.opengroup.org/graphics/desktop/m-mwm.gif

(within http://www.opengroup.org/desktop/motif.html)

is a Motif desktop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Solaris8-cde.png

is a Solaris 8 CDE desktop.

http://www.kde.org/screenshots/kde350shots.php

is a series of KDE screenshots, mostly to illustrate the various
tools, but one also gets an idea for the general desktop
look (if not the feel);

http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.5/33-controlcenter.png

in particular gives a good view of the rounded (if
rather comically large in spots) buttons, and the general
rounding of the title bars, and the subtly shaded title
bar (which is obscured by the explanatory yellow text,
but one might see the iconify, maximize, and close gadgets
peeking through).

http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/3.5/34-languages.png

might give a better view of the window gadgets ... in
addition to showing off the possible languages and
character sets Konqueror can support.

For its part Gnome has some attractive screenshots of its
own as part of the Release Notes:

http://www.gnome.org/start/2.20/notes/en/

The buttons and title bars are rounded here as well.

One might make a case that the properties dialog for a
hard drive partition looks exactly the same as Windows
(except that Windows uses a 3D pie chart). Of course,
there's only so many ways to show disk free space, and
pie charts are a natural therefor anyway. If Microsoft
patents *that* we're all in trouble.
The help system is non existant.

The help system is rather hopelessly fragmented, but it is
there; 'man', 'info', and for some applications a Help menu
pick help the user to find what he needs, with any luck.
I can't say it's perfect, but it's workable.
The fonts are terrible.

You'll have to be more specific. Linux in particular can
import Microsoft True Type fonts. Are they terrible?

"Oh, but that's DIFFERENT!"
The graphics support is terrible.

You'll have to be more specific.
There is no Direct-X 10 support.

Correct. Of course, one could ask many questions as to why
Linux would want to support such anyway. There's no Direct-X 10
support in XP, either, after all.
The interface is crude and slow.

See above. As for slow...tried Vista Aero on a 256 MB
computer lately?
My printer wasn't even recognized (Lexmark).

Lexmark printers are not noted for their openness.
My widescreen monitor came up with an out of range box sqaure in the
middle of the screen instead of the 1440x960 it should be.

Not sure what the issue is there. My first guess is PEBCAK.
Granted, I had interesting issues with my Samsung SyncMaster,
but after a bit of tweaking, I got it to do something more
or less reasonable.
Some application called Amarok kept freezing up on me when it would
search my drives for media. What a non-intuitive POS that program
Amarok is.

OK, so that's a problem with Amarok, not with Linux.
I don't use it, so can't say.
I tried burning a DVD with k3b and it made a perfect coaster every
time.

There are a number of issues with burning DVDs. I'm frankly not
sure what yours is.
This is with a high end Plextor drive.
Why don't Plextools work with Linux?

Probably because they require Windows. The Plextools download page
is rather clear on that issue.

(I'll admit to some curiosity as to whether they'd work with WinE,
but I don't have a Plextor drive.)
And the list goes on.
I can't spend my life searching Google for answers so back
to Vista I go.
At least Vista works.

Ah, so they've finally got around to fixing that nVidia driver problem?
Linux?

It just sucks, mostly your time.

"Linux, if you think you hate it now, wait until you try it"

Truthfulness factor: Maybe 10%. If you're lucky, you'll
get a cookie. Don't ask what's in it.

Trolling factor: 85%. Bridges and bridge users beware.

Stupidity factor: 75%. Might be smart enough to find a
replacement lampshade, but only if someone smarter removes
the light bulb first, and he remembers to unplug the lamp.

Relevance factor: Unknown.

Technical factor: 5%. He mentions brand names. Whoopee.

Specifics factor: 10%. Brand names, but no numbers, not even
a part number.

Microsoft Factor: 80%. Mentions trash, Windows Vista, and
Windows 3.1 in the same post. How bizarre is that, really?

Linux Factor: 15%. Beyond mentioning the name 'Linux', and
the distro 'Ubuntu' (which is it, wintrool: Dapper, Edgy,
Feisty, or Gutsy?), he's not exactly specific here.

Cross-drool factor: 66%. This message was cross-posted to the
following newsgroups:

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
(he's referring to Vista so one has to wonder)
comp.os.linux.advocacy
(Here!)
24hoursupport.helpdesk
(A known spamgenerator/trollhangout)
microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
(Oh, this one might actually be relevant!)

Confusion Factor: 2%. Nobody with a brain would pay
any attention to this guy, except for amusement at
carnival arcades, right next to the bearded lady. (Psst.
She's cuter. It's a fake beard.)

Fear Factor: 3%. Say what?

Overall Evaluation: D-. I'd give you an F but I'm too
easily amused. But we have some lovely parting gifts,
which you'll also probably toss in the nearest waste bin,
since someone showed you where it actually is.

Followups to COLA exclusively, except for one poster whose
newsreader should be shot on sight, buried, then exhumed,
battered, fried, dissected into itty bitty bits, mixed
with a little sea water and ground into paste, and fed
to a shredder as it conforms to no known standard with
the possible exception of UTF-8, if he's implemented it
correctly (which I doubt).

You know who you are.

:p
 
C

Charlie Tame

Richard said:
On a Vista news group the person says he tried something else and is
going back to Vista.

It is much more appropriate than the post of Linux people who come here
and berate people for using Vista.


Mostly it's the Windows fanboys who berate users of Vista because they
are a bit lost and a bit inexperienced with newsgroups. Seems to me the
Linux people berate the fanboys, and that should not bother anyone with
usenet experience... if they didn't keep throwing bait around ...
 
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jon doglegs

Stephan Rose said:
I don't recall Win 3.1 looking like this:



I like my LCD Subpixel smoothed fonts perfectly fine...though I will
grant that upcoming 7.10 release I am running right now has better
looking fonts than the 7.04 release.


Care to explain? I'm using a nVidia 8800 GTX by the way.


Of course not. Nor will there ever be. DirectX is a Microsoft API for
Microsoft Operating Systems. It has no place on non-MS operating systems.
OpenGL exists for a reason.


Ever bother installing the appropriate video card driver for your card? I
mean, try Vista on a VESA driver and tell me how blazing fast that would
be...


Honestly I have no idea if Lexmark has any support or not. You did try to
actually Add the printer though right? Or did you just expect
applications to magically know it's there?

As far as the screen issue is, I can believe that. The graphics subsystem
is undergoing some major overhaul in the current release and problems
such as that are being resolved.

And as far as Amarok goes, yea I agree. I don't care much for it either.
I just use Rhythmbox instead. Much faster, more lightweight and does an
excellent job.


Plextor drives work perfectly fine. I own two, as does K3B though I
prefer to use other tools. And if Plextools is windows software, then no
it won't work. Hint: Linux is not windows. Windows software is for
windows. Linux software is for Linux. Linux software does not run on
windows. Windows software does not run on Linux.


*shrug* Your primary problem in my opinion is that you went to Linux
expecting Windows.

You expected it behave like windows.

You expected it to run windows software.

You expected it to be windows.

You were disappointed when you discovered it isn't windows.


no, maybe he just expected it to be at least useable
bullshiteos, winblows, blister or linfux? who cares ...

If you want windows, then go use windows...I mean, you wouldn't go out
and buy a hammer if you want a screwdriver right?


i screwdriver can be used as a hammer if you use yer imagination ..


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Rick

See, here's another one.
Where is "here"? I am posting in the Microsoft Vista group on the
Microsoft news server, where should the Windows "fanboys" post? I am
replying to a post that was also sent to a couple linux groups, not much
I can do about that.

Actually, you could have. All you had to do was trim your post list or
set your followups.
 
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Ponder

Hiya Richard Urban.

In said:
I am not being trolled. The Linux tools are being trolled. AND, THEY ARE
HERE IN NUMBERS AS YOU CAN SEE.

And yet still you answer. Hook line and stinker. You even think shouting
makes you more smart, well I have news for you: it doesn't ;)

Follow-up set to 24hoursupport.helpdesk, which is probably the most
appropriate place for us to laugh at your continued idiocy (and the place
I'm reading it) ;)
 
B

Bruce Chambers

David said:
See, here's another one.
Where is "here"? I am posting in the Microsoft Vista group on the
Microsoft news server, where should the Windows "fanboys" post? I am
replying to a post that was also sent to a couple linux groups, not much
I can do about that.


Then you'd best learn use your newsreader to delete groups to which you
do not want your to go. You *are* in control of where your reply goes;
and you included the Linux religion's primary newsgroup.


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Tiberius

I agree with you that linux is not ready by far..
you would have a little better luck trying www.pclinuxos.com

HOWEVER vista has many problems that XP never had..

so thats why I call vista the new version of MS linux also called
VISTUX (vista linux or vista sucks)

Xp is the best OS in the market for the desktop use. Period!
 
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Alias

dennis@home said:
Assumption based on the poor understanding of the evidence.

He had an "out of range" box, they are frequently accompanied by nothing
else.
If the display can show what is being sent why would it be "out of range"?


More assumptions.


"Out of range"!

Oops, I missed that. My bad.
 
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JEDIDIAH

Now we just wait for the linux fanboys to reply and blame you , your
hardware, your computer skills, or your parentage, they will blame
everything except the OS itself.

Why "blame"?

I think it's just a fabrication.

Some Lemming probably assuming that Linux is for "losers that can't afford decent hardware" or
some other similar BS and thus would be in no position to "call bullshit".
 
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jonathan perreault

may be you shoulda used a different version of linux not all of them sux, me
i love it i run it to show offmy pc from my cdrom, great linux you don't
even need to install it just boot from cd.

--
Jonathan Perreault

Personnal Advice To You:
#1: Do Not Undermine Windows's Work, Or It'll Undermine You As A User.
#2: Torture Windows (Any) Now Before It Tortures You

Best Comments From Users:
No Matter The Problem Even With Linux, It's Microsoft's And Windows's Faults

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely
foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
 
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William Poaster

Tiberius said:
I agree with you that linux is not ready by far..
you would have a little better luck trying www.pclinuxos.com

HOWEVER vista has many problems that XP never had..

so thats why I call vista the new version of MS linux also called
VISTUX (vista linux or vista sucks)

Xp is the best OS in the market for the desktop use. Period!

Another winidiot who's replied to a troll, & no idea what he's talking
about.

http://www.zoliblog.com/2007/09/14/...mputer-think-twice-microsoft-shows-whos-boss/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128660-c,onlinesecurity/article.html
http://www.jawjab.com/20-reasons-why-vista-sucks/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17739772/
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199201492
 

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