Internet security suggestions

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shareyourknowledge

I am currently using Trend Micro on my Dell Laptop with Windows XP,
which expires the end of January. Is there a short list of security
software i should consider that might be better than Trend Micro?
 
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C

I am currently using Trend Micro on my Dell Laptop with Windows XP,
which expires the end of January. Is there a short list of security
software i should consider that might be better than Trend Micro?

Avast. http://www.avast.com. It's free and much better at detecting
viruses than Trend Micro. You can use the XP firewall.
 
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Bruce Hagen

I am currently using Trend Micro on my Dell Laptop with Windows XP,
which expires the end of January. Is there a short list of security
software i should consider that might be better than Trend Micro?


I used to use Avast, and it is still a good program to be sure, but for
the last few months I have been using MSE instead and am happy with it.
Besides being an AV program, Windows Defender is "built in" to it.

I use the Windows Firewall and have a FW protected router.
 
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Bruce Chambers

I am currently using Trend Micro on my Dell Laptop with Windows XP,
which expires the end of January. Is there a short list of security
software i should consider that might be better than Trend Micro?


You'll get nearly as many differing opinions as you will responses.

I'll start by saying that I don't think any security "suite" is a
good choice. It'd be better to use smaller, less-resource-draining
stand-alone products.

I had used, and recommended, Norton Antivirus and then Norton
Internet Security, for many years, on Win98, WinNT, Win2K, and WinXP,
all without any significant problems. I had used McAfee prior to that.
But it's been several years since I've been tempted to try McAfee
products. Their quality seemed to take a steep nose-dive after they were
acquired by Network Associates.

However, when my subscription to Symantec's updates for Norton
Internet Security came up for renewal (at a cost substantially higher
than the preceding year's subscription), I decided to try less expensive
solutions. I downloaded and installed the free version of GriSoft's AVG
(http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php ). It proved to be easily
installed, easy to use, and quite effective. Additionally, I was
pleasantly surprised to see a small but very noticeable improvement in
my PC's performance, once I'd replaced the Symantec product. Another
free (for personal use) anti-virus product is AVAST! Home Edition
(http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html), which is what I've used
without problems on both WinXP Pro and Vista Business.

For a recent comparison of anti-virus products:

Retrospective / ProActive Test
http://www.av-comparatives.org/



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Bruce Chambers

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

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killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
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bobster

+1

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I am currently using Trend Micro on my Dell Laptop with Windows XP,
which expires the end of January. Is there a short list of security
software i should consider that might be better than Trend Micro?


I used to use Avast, and it is still a good program to be sure, but for
the last few months I have been using MSE instead and am happy with it.
Besides being an AV program, Windows Defender is "built in" to it.

I use the Windows Firewall and have a FW protected router.
 
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shareyourknowledge

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I used to use Avast, and it is still a good program to be sure, but for
the last few months I have been using MSE instead and am happy with it.
Besides being an AV program, Windows Defender is "built in" to it.

I use the Windows Firewall and have a FW protected router.

Thanks to all for your suggestions. Is there any reason i can't run
two anti-virus programs concurrently? I would like to download one of
the free programs, but i'm not sure there would be a conflict with
Trend Mocro. Regards, Bob.
 
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Unknown

Think---Think, very carefully. Why not just backup your system on an
external HD and then don't use
any virus programs?
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======================================================"Bruce Hagen"





I used to use Avast, and it is still a good program to be sure, but for
the last few months I have been using MSE instead and am happy with it.
Besides being an AV program, Windows Defender is "built in" to it.

I use the Windows Firewall and have a FW protected router.

Thanks to all for your suggestions. Is there any reason i can't run
two anti-virus programs concurrently? I would like to download one of
the free programs, but i'm not sure there would be a conflict with
Trend Mocro. Regards, Bob.
 
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Twayne

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Thanks to all for your suggestions. Is there any reason i can't run
two anti-virus programs concurrently? I would like to download one of
the free programs, but i'm not sure there would be a conflict with
Trend Mocro. Regards, Bob.

It's hard to say but it's not recommended. Especially running them both at
the same time isn't recommended. Some of the dangers, since these ARE virus
detectors, is one program seeing parts of the other as a virus. So you
could easily clobber one of them if you weren't paying attention. There
might also be resource conflicts between some of the programs they load in
the background and which you aren't normally aware of.
I don't remember which ones they were, but I did get curious one day and
tried running two AV progs in parallel. Nothing bad happened but this is a
definite ymmv situation so I wouldn't recommend it.
AV programs are good enough that it's not really necessary to run more
than one anyway. They all pretty much have the same definition files and all
will look for the most recently discovered malware. There appears to be
little to gain from multiple AV programs. Differences would be in the
companies themselves and how often they get input to keep their programs up
to date, etc., but if you stick with the well known brands that's not really
an issue either.

Installing one for awhile and then uninstalling/installing another one
though, for comparison, shouldn't hurt anything. I've found that the major
differences nowadays that I look for are which program acts the way I think
it should, and is the easiest for ME to use. Which am I the most comfortable
with?
But if I try out an unknown program, that's a different story and needs
some research, IMO.

Twayne
--
Often you'll find excellent advice on a newsgroup.
Before you use that advice though, consider the
ramifications of it being wrong or even dangerous;
how important IS that to you?
ALWAYS verify and confirm ANY advice from a
newsgroup!
 
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Twayne

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Unknown said:
Think---Think, very carefully. Why not just backup your system on an
external HD and then don't use
any virus programs?

Not using any AV programs is folly. Especially when you consider that you
could back up many iterations of the virus before the malware triggers or
becomes apparent to the user. Always run an AV program IMO, learn to surf
safely and use throw-away e-mail accounts if you feel you must contact
sources you don't know anything about or that require an e-mail address.

Twayne

Thanks to all for your suggestions. Is there any reason i can't run
two anti-virus programs concurrently? I would like to download one of
the free programs, but i'm not sure there would be a conflict with
Trend Mocro. Regards, Bob.



--
--
Often you'll find excellent advice on a newsgroup.
Before you use that advice though, consider the
ramifications of it being wrong or even dangerous;
how important IS that to you?
ALWAYS verify and confirm ANY advice from a
newsgroup!
 
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thanatoid

"(e-mail address removed)"
ups.com:
I am currently using Trend Micro on my Dell Laptop with
Windows XP, which expires the end of January. Is there a
short list of security software i should consider that
might be better than Trend Micro?

The best AV software is ESET NOD32, you can get just the AV or a
full suite including FW for a little bit more. But there are
many perfectly good, and many free, firewalls out there (NOT
including Zone Alarm).

Be aware that no single security program will catch /everything/
and many give false alarms.

Lots of good security products at variouis discount stores -
like http://store.purplus.net/ - but usually no tech support
unless bought from manuf. - not that I think you'd need it.

ESET:
http://www.purplus.net/search/search.php?catalog=purplus&query=e
set&x=15&y=10

Others:
http://store.purplus.net/inse.html

They have Trend Micro Anti-Spyware 3.0 for $4.95 in their
clearance section, BTW.

Google for "discount software".

Anyway, if you **think** while online, scan everything you DL,
and clean your caches etc. after every online session you should
be fine.

Also get Spybot Search & Destroy and run it once a week or so to
make sure you haven't picked up anything. Malwarebytes' Anti-
Malware is good too, both free.
 
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SC Tom

thanatoid said:
"(e-mail address removed)"
ups.com:


The best AV software is ESET NOD32, you can get just the AV or a
full suite including FW for a little bit more. But there are
many perfectly good, and many free, firewalls out there (NOT
including Zone Alarm).

Be aware that no single security program will catch /everything/
and many give false alarms.

Lots of good security products at variouis discount stores -
like http://store.purplus.net/ - but usually no tech support
unless bought from manuf. - not that I think you'd need it.

ESET:
http://www.purplus.net/search/search.php?catalog=purplus&query=e
set&x=15&y=10

Others:
http://store.purplus.net/inse.html

They have Trend Micro Anti-Spyware 3.0 for $4.95 in their
clearance section, BTW.

Google for "discount software".

Anyway, if you **think** while online, scan everything you DL,
and clean your caches etc. after every online session you should
be fine.

Also get Spybot Search & Destroy and run it once a week or so to
make sure you haven't picked up anything. Malwarebytes' Anti-
Malware is good too, both free.


What's wrong with Zone Alarm?
 
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thanatoid

What's wrong with Zone Alarm?

I used it for a VERY short while and it drove me crazy, I know
people who have ALL dumped it for the same reason, and 90% of
Usenet posts about it are bitching about how awful it is.

Once you get it to work OK - which CAN be a problem, see below -
it will do the job, but you have to have a LOT of patience with
it and it WILL repeatedly ask stupid questions which can drive
you nuts.

There is also an issue with making it run properly - on some
computers it just will NOT run, or cause some stupid problem,
and it being free, there is little support, and NO useful
support. I've been there.

Most other firewalls are "setup once and forget it" (unless you
make major changes to your system or decide on some new internet
software). ZoneAlarm bothers you with stupid questions ALL the
time. Plus, other firewalls that I've tried were installed and
/worked/ - ZA required a lot of fiddling and it was just pure
frustration.
 
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SC Tom

thanatoid said:
I used it for a VERY short while and it drove me crazy, I know
people who have ALL dumped it for the same reason, and 90% of
Usenet posts about it are bitching about how awful it is.

Once you get it to work OK - which CAN be a problem, see below -
it will do the job, but you have to have a LOT of patience with
it and it WILL repeatedly ask stupid questions which can drive
you nuts.

There is also an issue with making it run properly - on some
computers it just will NOT run, or cause some stupid problem,
and it being free, there is little support, and NO useful
support. I've been there.

Most other firewalls are "setup once and forget it" (unless you
make major changes to your system or decide on some new internet
software). ZoneAlarm bothers you with stupid questions ALL the
time. Plus, other firewalls that I've tried were installed and
/worked/ - ZA required a lot of fiddling and it was just pure
frustration.

I've used ZA firewall since shortly after it's inception in 2000 and the
suites since 2001 or 2002, and have not had the problems you mention. There
was one release 2 or 3 years ago that caused XP shutdown problems, but that
was fixed within a week or so and is hardly a reason for condemnation. The
one thing you need to realize about people bitching in newsgroups and forums
is that they are having problems. It's rare that you see a post with the
subject line "I use WinXP and I LOVE it!!" That's just not the way it works
:)

There is support through the forums for the free version, just not from
CheckPoint itself. I've found that same scenario to be true with a lot of
software that offers both free and paid versions. In most cases, forum
support was better and/or quicker than phone/email support with the company.

I've set it up and run it on numerous computers (friends and family, not
just my own) and have never had it "just not run." My guess would be that in
those instances, there was something else that was the root cause of it not
running.

There is a "learning" mode that ZA uses on initial installation/upgrade that
does ask quite a few questions. It's just wanting you to confirm whether or
not a program should have internet access, server privileges, etc. Once that
period is over (2-3 weeks, I think), it only asks for confirmation on new
programs, or on major updates to existing programs. I never really found
that to be a fault. In fact, I like to know what's trying to get through,
either in or out.

Am I 100% satisfied with it? No, but then, I can't think of a single program
that I can say I am.
Would I recommend it to others? Yes. If I didn't, I wouldn't continue to use
it for as long as I have.
Would I say it's the best on the market? No, but it's the best for me and a
lot of other people.

Just like everything else, users need to try different versions of an
application and make that decision themselves. I'm not here to tell someone
NOT to use a particular product, but I am more than happy to share my
personal experiences with it, be it good or bad. I try not to judge
something based on the word of another person without at least trying it
myself, and that has sometimes gotten me into trouble, but at least I
learned from it. I used to think I didn't like grits, but then I tried them
with shrimp gravy :).
 
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thanatoid

Just like everything else, users need to try different
versions of an application and make that decision
themselves. I'm not here to tell someone NOT to use a
particular product, but I am more than happy to share my
personal experiences with it, be it good or bad. I try not
to judge something based on the word of another person
without at least trying it myself, and that has sometimes
gotten me into trouble, but at least I learned from it. I
used to think I didn't like grits, but then I tried them
with shrimp gravy :).

Well, since people ask for opinions, I give them. Everyone is
free to do exactly as I say and/or do myself, or to put me in
their killfile, and everything in between.

I use an 8 year old FW and it was easier and more logical to set
up and works better than any of the others I've tried including
ZA, which would NOT run properly. The actual annoyances I have
described I have seen on other people's computers (before they
dumped ZA) and read about. AFA bitching Vs. writing "I found the
greatest program ever" that is certainly true. But if someone
WERE to say "I found the greatest program ever" - which I in
fact have on several occasions done, FREE programs, too - you
usually get a knee-jerk "**** you, spammer" reaction.

Different strokes for different folks. Trust me, I would much
rather be taking a walk in a park with a beautiful girl than sit
in front of idiot box #2 all the time.
 
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Unknown

That I believe is nothing more than fear mongering. Think about this:
I have never yet had a virus. I do not, however, click on unknown items.
Virus programs as demonstrated on this news group cause many more problems
than
they prevent. Could you tell me why I have never had a virus?
If I tell you click here> www.virus.here And you do, then by all means
use virus programs.
Ask all the MVP's "When did you get a virus and how did you get it".
You Twayne, please answer that question.
 
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ANONYMOUS

Unknown said:
Could you tell me why I have never had a virus?

It could be that you are not doing any meaningful with your computer.
All you do is lure men to your house so that you can s u c k their balls
or ask your sister to do it for you. Now when you do this, the only
virus you can get is AIDS and you are not likely to admit this in public.

Hope this answers your question.
 
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Unknown

Typical comment from a foul mouthed Limey. Why do you insist in making an
ass of yourself? No self esteem?
 
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Unknown

I am currently using Trend Micro on my Dell Laptop with Windows XP,
which expires the end of January. Is there a short list of security
software i should consider that might be better than Trend Micro?

BLOCK YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE from being viewed!!!!

This is upsetting, thought I should pass it along. Check your
driver's license... Now you can see anyone's Driver's License
on the Internet, including your own!
I just searched for mine and there it was...picture and all!
Thanks Homeland Security!

Privacy, where Is our right to it?
I definitely removed mine; I suggest you all do the same.....
Go to the website and check it out. Just enter your name, City and
state to see if yours is on file. After your license comes on the
screen, click the box marked "Please Remove". This will remove it
from public viewing, but not from law enforcement.

http://www.license.shorturl.com/
 

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