Installing Legal Copy of XP Pro

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Wayne

I've broken down and spent Good Money for a legal copy of windows XP Pro and
have the following questions?

I own 4 computers that I tear apart and upgrade constantly. Not to mention
the computers I have for my kids. Is this going to be a problem with the
new anti piracy security in windows XP Pro?

Am I aloud to move my one legal copy of XP Pro around on the 4 machines I
play with?

I'm afraid your going to tell me one license for one machine. Can't I just
tell MS about what I have in way of personal machines and that the license
should be for ME and my hobbie not for ONE machine?

Does MS seriously think I should pay more $ than the several hundred dollars
I paid for my one copy to have the operating system on my 4 machines?

On a fresh install ..... do you now have to put in the CD key that came with
the XP Pro you bought ... are they tied together some how that the CD and
Key must match?
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Wayne said:
I've broken down and spent Good Money for a legal copy of windows XP
Pro and have the following questions?

I own 4 computers that I tear apart and upgrade constantly. Not to
mention the computers I have for my kids. Is this going to be a
problem with the new anti piracy security in windows XP Pro?


No, it's not a problem.

Am I aloud to move my one legal copy of XP Pro around on the 4
machines I play with?

I'm afraid your going to tell me one license for one machine.


Your fears are justified. That's the rule. There's nothing new here. This is
exactly the same rule that's been in effect on every version of Windows
starting with Windows 3.1. The only thing new with XP is that there's now an
enforcement mechanism.

If yours is a retail version, not an OEM one, you can buy extra licenses
(see http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/addlic.asp). But it's
not generally a good deal. The problem is that Microsoft sells additional
licenses at only a small savings over the list price. You're almost
certainly better off just buying a complete second copy from a discount
source.


Can't
I just tell MS about what I have in way of personal machines and that
the license should be for ME and my hobbie not for ONE machine?


You can tell them whatever you want and whatever you think *should be* the
case. But their views on what "should be" are apparently different from your
views.


Does MS seriously think I should pay more $ than the several hundred
dollars I paid for my one copy to have the operating system on my 4
machines?

Yes.


On a fresh install ..... do you now have to put in the CD key that
came with the XP Pro you bought ...

Yes.


Are they tied together some how
that the CD and Key must match?


No, that's not how it works. Read the late MVP ALex Nichol's article
"Windows Product Activation (WPA)
on Windows XP" http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm
 
R

Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers

Hi Wayne,

The license is one copy of WinXP for each machine. Yes, MS thinks that you
should purchase one copy of Windows for each machine you install it on, just
like your local Motor Vehicle department wants you to purchase one set of
license plates for each car you own and operate on public highways. Each
machine that is licensed can have the same copy reinstalled, or the hardware
upgraded as often as you like, though at a point your number of activations
will begin to prompt phone activations - but you will still be able to
reactivate.
I'm afraid your going to tell me one license for one machine. Can't I
just tell MS about what I have in way of personal machines and that the
license should be for ME and my hobbie not for ONE machine?

I don't disagree, and I have lobbied for a "home" license, but MS is
sticking to the one copy per machine format.
On a fresh install ..... do you now have to put in the CD key that came
with the XP Pro you bought ... are they tied together some how that the CD
and Key must match?

Yes, but they are tied by type, not specific CD+key combinations. In short,
you must have a retail Pro Product Key to install a retail copy of WinXP
Pro, a OEM WinXP Home Product Key to install an OEM version of WinXP Home,
etc. They are not interchangeable.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
W

Wesley Vogel

Am I aloud to move my one legal copy of XP Pro around on the 4
machines I play with?

I'm afraid your going to tell me one license for one machine.

Read the EULA.

END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR MICROSOFT SOFTWARE

[[1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run
one
copy of the Software on a single computer, such as a workstation, terminal
or other
device (“Workstation Computer”). The Software may not be used by more than
two (2)
processors at any one time on any single Workstation Computer.]]

--
Hope this helps. Let us know.

Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

In
 
R

Richard Urban

Lets see. You are able to afford 4 computers, right. Then support the
computers and put a legal version of XP on each of them.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
M

Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)

Answers in line..

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User


Wayne said:
I've broken down and spent Good Money for a legal copy of windows XP Pro
and have the following questions?

I own 4 computers that I tear apart and upgrade constantly. Not to
mention the computers I have for my kids. Is this going to be a problem
with the new anti piracy security in windows XP Pro?

MH - It surely will be

Am I aloud to move my one legal copy of XP Pro around on the 4 machines I
play with?

MH - You could 'get away' with this only as long as the hardware was more or
less identical in each machine.. you would have to use a removable bay..
http://www.mycableshop.com/3rd_Level/Drawers_IDE.htm .. unfortunately, with
your constant changing of spec, you can forget the above idea..
I'm afraid your going to tell me one license for one machine. Can't I
just tell MS about what I have in way of personal machines and that the
license should be for ME and my hobbie not for ONE machine?

MH - MS tend to be deaf re. this concept.. one has to remember that 'one
copy, one machine' has always been the way of MS.. however, when left to the
integrity of many users, the reality was closer to 'one copy, many
machines'.. this loophole has essentially been fixed..

Does MS seriously think I should pay more $ than the several hundred
dollars

MH - they surely do..
I paid for my one copy to have the operating system on my 4 machines?

MH - No, you didn't.. that may have been in your mind, but not in the mind
of MS..
On a fresh install ..... do you now have to put in the CD key that came
with the XP Pro you bought ... are they tied together some how that the CD
and Key must match?

MH - No, as long as they are of the same type.. you could use the same XP CD
as long as the CD type matches the keycode version.. that is to say, an XP
Pro 'retail' keycode will not work with an XP Pro OEM CD, but will work with
all XP Pro retail CDs..
 
G

GHalleck

Wayne wrote:

Does MS seriously think I should pay more $ than the several hundred dollars
I paid for my one copy to have the operating system on my 4 machines?


Nothing's free. Of course, according to hindsight, the smartest
thing to have had done was to buy the OS with each computer. The
OS is heavily discounted. Microsoft's suggested retail price is
sometimes even more than the selling price of a barebones computer.
The other alternative is not to upgrade the OS for the remaining
computers. In fact, one rationale for Microsoft to adopt this
policy was to prevent owners from buying one computer with OS and
then using the OS installation cdrom or diskettes to upgrade all
the other computers in the household or small business or whatever.
 
M

Mike Hall \(MS-MVP\)

Richard

That was my sentiment too.. if one can't afford four, run less.. I just
didn't type it 'cos it's Sunday.. :)
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Wayne said:
I've broken down and spent Good Money for a legal copy of windows XP Pro and
have the following questions?

I own 4 computers that I tear apart and upgrade constantly.


Sounds like an expensive hobby. But, as you can afford 4 PCs, you
should have no trouble affording a legitimate OS license for each. Of
course, the corollary of this truism is that if you cannot afford 4
legitimate OS licenses, than your truly cannot afford to have 4
simultaneously operational computers.

.... Not to mention
the computers I have for my kids. Is this going to be a problem with the
new anti piracy security in windows XP Pro?

Not as long as you purchase a separate WinXP license for each computer
on which you install it.

Am I aloud to move my one legal copy of XP Pro around on the 4 machines I
play with?

Assuming a retail license (OEM licenses are not transferable under
any circumstances), simply remove WinXP from the computer it is
currently on, and install it onto the new one. If it's been more than
120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, you'll
most likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If
it's been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.

Here are the facts pertaining to activation:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm


I'm afraid your going to tell me one license for one machine.


Well, that *is* the way it's been since the days of Windows 3.1, so it
shouldn't come as any sort of surprise. WPA is simply an enforcement
mechanism made necessary by - judging by the contents and tenor of your
post - people such as yourself. You need to purchase a separate WinXP
license for each computer on which you install it.

Just as it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating
systems, it's necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and U.S.
copyright law http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/117.html), if not
technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on which it
is installed. (Consult an attorney versed in copyright law to determine
final applicability in your locale.) The only way in which WinXP
licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows is that
Microsoft has finally added a copy protection and anti-theft mechanism,
Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make more difficult)
multiple installations using a single license.

One can buy additional licenses, assuming one already has a retail
license. Naturally, Microsoft cannot sell additional OEM licenses. Be
aware, however, that you'll probably pay more this way than you would if
you were to buy a second copy of WinXP from a discount retailer;
Microsoft will only offer you a 15% discount off their MSRP.

Additional Licenses for Windows XP Home Edition
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/addlic.asp

Additional Licenses for Windows XP Professional
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/addlic.asp

Can't I just
tell MS about what I have in way of personal machines and that the license
should be for ME and my hobbie not for ONE machine?

Not unless you get hired by Microsoft and promoted to an executive
position from which you can then dictate the way Microsoft elects to run
its own business. Windows is their product, to sell as they like.
You're perfectly free to select any of several other competing operating
systems, each with their own different licensing requirements. Simply
choose the product whose licensing terms meet your "needs."

Does MS seriously think I should pay more $ than the several hundred dollars
I paid for my one copy to have the operating system on my 4 machines?

"Several hundred dollars?" If you paid more than $200 for any OS, you
really need to work on your comparative shopping skills. Beyond that,
you really haven't had much exposure to the real world, have you? Can
you buy a set of license plates for a single automobile, and use them on
every other car that your family members own/drive? Can you take your
family to a local restaurant, feed them all separate meals from the
menu, and pay for only one entree? If you purchase a single loaf of
bread, can you leave the store with four loaves?

Anyway, who's making you load the same OS on every computer in your
house? This is an entirely personal choice on your part. If you don't
want to buy the additional licenses, don't place the same OS on every
computer. It really doesn't get much simpler than that.

On a fresh install ..... do you now have to put in the CD key that came with
the XP Pro you bought ...


Well, yes. That's the whole point of having the Product Key - to prove
that you've a legitimate license.

are they tied together some how that the CD and
Key must match?


Product Keys are bound to the specific type and language of
CD/license (OEM, Volume, retail, full, or Upgrade) with which they are
purchased. For example, a WinXP Home OEM Product Key won't work for any
retail version of WinXP Home, or for any version of WinXP Pro, and vice
versa. An upgrade's Product Key cannot be used with a full version CD,
and vice versa. An OEM Product Key will not work to install a retail
product. An Italian Product Key will not work with an English CD.
Bottom line: Product Keys and CD/license types cannot be mixed & matched.

However, within its class/type, each CD is not unique. Therefore,
a retail full WinXP Pro product key will work with any retail full WinXP
Pro CD. A WinXP Home Upgrade product key will work with any WinXP Home
Upgrade CD. An OEM Product key should work with any generic OEM
installation CD, but not necessarily with a branded OEM Recovery CD.


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Wayne

You guys/gals gotta be kidding me ....

Your right ... one license is sometimes more than I pay for an entire
machine.

OK .. I understand business, and that they want revenue from the operating
sytems tied to every unit, but were is the consideration for people in
situations like mine?

Is there any other operating system I should be looking at that will run my
MS Publisher, MS Office etc etc, or does Bill have us good?
 
K

Kerry Brown

Wayne said:
You guys/gals gotta be kidding me ....

Your right ... one license is sometimes more than I pay for an entire
machine.

OK .. I understand business, and that they want revenue from the
operating sytems tied to every unit, but were is the consideration
for people in situations like mine?

Is there any other operating system I should be looking at that will
run my MS Publisher, MS Office etc etc, or does Bill have us good?

Hate to tell you but in most cases Publisher, Office, etc. etc. are also
licensed for only one machine. As it's only a hobby why not pucrchase
properly licensed software for one machine and the kid's machines then play
with Linux on the others. Who knows, once you've become proficient with
Linux you may decide that you like it better anyway.

Kerry
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

One license, one computer. That is the way it has been since at least
Windows 95.
Remember, Microsoft is not making you upgrade your computers.
You can move retail Windows to different computers all you want, but it can
only be installed on one computer at a time.
If you choose to have Windows XP on all computers, you can buy OEM at a
significant savings along with the restrictions that go along with OEM.
If you want Windows XP on all of them, buy a license for each.
Microsoft thinks you should pay for multiple licenses similarly to most
retailers want you to pay for each product you buy from them. They may give
you a discount, but you pay for each.
If you do not like the pricing or terms, you have the option of using other
products.
Otherwise you can choose to keep some or all with the original operating
system.
Your next step is your choice.

You can tell Microsoft what you think is best just as you can tell any other
manufacturer. But they choose how they are going to sell their product.
From there it is your choice whether to buy theirs or one of the other
alternatives.
 
P

Plato

Wayne said:
I've broken down and spent Good Money for a legal copy of windows XP Pro and
have the following questions?

I own 4 computers that I tear apart and upgrade constantly. Not to mention

Then its obvious you dont have a money problem as you can afford 4 PCs.

Get a copy of XP2 for each pc.
 
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Wayne

You can tell Microsoft what you think is best just as you can tell any
other manufacturer. But they choose how they are going to sell their
product.
From there it is your choice whether to buy theirs or one of the other
alternatives.


Can we get a little serious? Is there really any competition against
Microsofts operating systems considering that a lot of us grew up on several
microsoft products
that today you can't work on one without the other?

It reminds me of the hay days at the Xerox corporation. They dominated the
market with their 99 percent share of all photocopiers on the market, simply
because their was no competition and were selling them at rediculous prices
.... because they could. Today Xerox is one tenth their size and struggling
to stay alive.

I pray that an Asian company comes out with a far superior operating sytem
one day at half the cost.

Please point me to a competitive operating system that I can still work with
all my microsoft files, like publisher files, office files etc. I need to
migrate all these files that I have worked on over the years. Are you
telling me I can install something like Linux and have no problems, or am I
right ..... MS has no competition and is doing what Xerox had done in their
domination of the market?
 
W

Wayne

I just want to make another point about proprietary behaviour. Once you
start that cycle, it never ends. Today Xerox sells copiers with proprietary
software embeded that they call a licence. Wonder were they got that idea
from ??? HINT

Now when you go and sell your $30 - $60 - $100k 3 year old Xerox printer
..... you really can't. It's kinda worthless to a potential purchaser of
this used machine because he is not licensed to use it. That way Xerox
controls the their shrunkin market. A present customer of theirs really has
little control as he can get no value for his purchase on the used market
while Xerox can increase the costs to maintain that customers machine
forcing that customer to buy once again from Xerox or loose thousands of
dollars. Proprietory business behaviour like that of Microsoft as well as
many others is not good for anyone other than the company who is today
getting away with it.

Just like the little inkjet printers on the market place like HP and Epson
..... they install proprietory chips to try and force you into buying their
over priced inks. Many had flawked to Canon printers because of this ...
but guess what? .... NO MORE .... even with the multitude of lawsuites
against HP and Epson for this behaviour, Canon had no choice but to follow,
they have now adopted the smart chips on their printers in an effort to
force you to buy their over priced inks.

You would think Microsoft would be a little more mature ... but that's
wishful thinking!

It's just the world we live in today I guess ?
 
P

Plato

Wayne said:
Is there any other operating system I should be looking at that will run my
MS Publisher, MS Office etc etc, or does Bill have us good?

If you want to run MS apps such as above, the use the OS that allows
them to run.
 

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