FYI to ACF participants

[aafuss]

I agree too.

 

[bambam]

I've emailed the author and asked him to post his request here in
alt.comp.freeware. Hind sight is 20-20. I should have done that in
the first place so we ALL had ALL the information to begin with.

Thank you Susan.

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

This bozo

I'm surprised by the name-calling. He's only made a request, not a
demand or a threat.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Any questions or comments?

There have been quite a few. A brief recap/ status report:

1. A software author emailed a request for removal of a program
description on the grounds that it was no longer freeware.
2. I replied "our web pages show the last free version" and posted my
reply here.
3. The author replied to that email with a revised request (remove the
link).
4. My reply to that second email asked him to post his request here for
discussion (the reply included a copy of the post I made to ACF).

If the author does post a request here we can discuss it (and take a
poll if that seems indicated). IMO if the author does not post a request
in alt.comp.freeware his emailed request(s) should be ignored.

In the future I think my *FIRST* reply to an email of this type
should/will be an informational response along these lines: The author
should post his request in the newsgroup as that is where the decision
making power resides.

Susan
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[Craig]

In the future I think my *FIRST* reply to an email of this type
should/will be an informational response along these lines: The author
should post his request in the newsgroup as that is where the decision
making power resides.

Susan

Susan, let's make something like this (or similar) the "automagic"
response for the future. That way, the burden of moving forward is
placed squarely on the acf /community/ where it belongs. The last thing
that should happen is for the acf liaison to be targeted as "point man."

-Craig

 

[Susan Bugher]

Susan Bugher wrote:

Susan, let's make something like this (or similar) the "automagic"
response for the future. That way, the burden of moving forward is
placed squarely on the acf /community/ where it belongs. The last thing
that should happen is for the acf liaison to be targeted as "point man."

Yup - that's what I was *trying* to say. That's the way I should have
done it this time. That's the way I *intend* to do it in the future.

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[Thip]

Yup - that's what I was *trying* to say. That's the way I should have
done it this time. That's the way I *intend* to do it in the future.

Susan
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Let's hope this is a one-time problem.

 

[Kurt]

There have been quite a few. A brief recap/ status report:

1. A software author emailed a request for removal of a program
description on the grounds that it was no longer freeware.
2. I replied "our web pages show the last free version" and posted
my reply here.
3. The author replied to that email with a revised request (remove
the link).
4. My reply to that second email asked him to post his request
here for discussion (the reply included a copy of the post I made
to ACF).

And it appears that he has not posted here thus far.

If the author does post a request here we can discuss it (and take
a poll if that seems indicated). IMO if the author does not post a
request in alt.comp.freeware his emailed request(s) should be
ignored.

After some thinking about this some more, I'm inclined to agree with
the above. Unless the author authenicates himself by making the request
here, or starts sending lawyers etc, then ignore.

In the future I think my *FIRST* reply to an email of this type
should/will be an informational response along these lines: The
author should post his request in the newsgroup as that is where
the decision making power resides.

A very good idea.

 

[FirstName LastName]

The PWH site received an email that made the following request:

"This program is no longer a freeware. Please remove from your listing."

I replied:

"I am aware that your site no longer offers downloads for versions of
xxxxxxxxxx that were released as Freeware. pricelesswarehome.org is an
alt.comp.freeware newsgroup web site. When recent versions of a program
are Shareware our web pages show the last free version."

Since this is the first such request that's been sent to the
Pricelessware web site I thought I should mention it here.

Any questions or comments?

Susan

The new version is not freeware but that does not mean that the older
one changes it's license too. The new license only applies to the new
product. You should maintain the older version of program for
distribution if it was license as freeware.

Who is author of the program and what is the program's name?

 

[jacaranda]

IMO if the author does not post a request
in alt.comp.freeware his emailed request(s) should be ignored.
Agreed.

In the future I think my *FIRST* reply to an email of this type
should/will be an informational response along these lines: The author
should post his request in the newsgroup as that is where the decision
making power resides.

Sounds like a plan.

 

[Susan Bugher]

And it appears that he has not posted here thus far.

I have not seen a post yet either. I thought there should be a statement
in this thread about what will happen if the author doesn't post a
request - just as a wrap-up to the thread.

After some thinking about this some more, I'm inclined to agree with
the above. Unless the author authenicates himself by making the request
here, or starts sending lawyers etc, then ignore.

I did tell the author that *decisions* were made in the newsgroup. I
also did a rough tally - to date "make no changes" is preferred by a 2
to 1 margin over other suggestions. ISTM that's clearly our course of
action in the absence of a posted request from the author. If no
objections are posted I'll assume we have a plan.

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[REM]

Susan Bugher <[email protected]> wrote:

The question is how do we want to handle this request and similar
requests (if any) in the future. Policy decisions are *group* decisions.

2. DISTRIBUTION. You are hereby licensed to make copies of the
SOFTWARE as you wish; give exact copies of the original SOFTWARE to
anyone; and distribute the SOFTWARE in its unmodified form via
electronic means (Internet, BBS's, Shareware distribution libraries,
CD-ROMs, etc.).

You may charge a distribution fee for the package, but you must not
represent in any way that you are selling the SOFTWARE itself. Your
distribution of the SOFTWARE will not entitle you to any compensation
from the Auhtor. You must distribute a copy of this EULA with any
copy of the SOFTWARE and anyone to whom you distribute the SOFTWARE is
subject to this EULA.

 

[EDEB]

I'm surprised by the name-calling. He's only made a request, not a
demand or a threat.

I reckon it's a daft thing even to ask for, given the original EULA. He has not "only made a request" - he wrote the terms of the
original EULA too. (Nothing personal, though: just an observation of general *anonymous* bozoishness.)

EDEB.

 

[EDEB]

Sounds like a plan.

Very democratic. One mob one vote!

EDEB

 

[Susan Bugher]

Very democratic. One mob one vote!

Check the archives and you may feel differently. A while back an author
asked people in ACF to stop posting a link to one version of a program
(the apparent LFW version). The author made a polite request - it was an
unusual set of circumstances - IIRC *ALL* those who responded felt that
the author's request should be honored. Authors may or may not get the
answer they want to hear but IMO they *will* get a fair hearing.

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[Al Klein]

I did tell the author that *decisions* were made in the newsgroup. I
also did a rough tally - to date "make no changes" is preferred by a 2
to 1 margin over other suggestions. ISTM that's clearly our course of
action in the absence of a posted request from the author. If no
objections are posted I'll assume we have a plan.

If he does nothing we do nothing. Sounds good to me.

 

[EDEB]

Check the archives and you may feel differently. A while back an author
asked people in ACF to stop posting a link to one version of a program
(the apparent LFW version). The author made a polite request - it was an
unusual set of circumstances - IIRC *ALL* those who responded felt that
the author's request should be honored. Authors may or may not get the
answer they want to hear but IMO they *will* get a fair hearing.

Susan

Sorry, should have added a tongue-in-cheek indicator:

*<;o)

EDEB.

 

[Kurt]

If he does nothing we do nothing. Sounds good to me.

Suits me also.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Who is author of the program and what is the program's name?

I've told the author decisions are made by ACF participants and asked
him to post his request in ACF for discussion. If the author decides to
pursue the request he'll identify himself.

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[Susan Bugher]

Sorry, should have added a tongue-in-cheek indicator:

*<;o)

Ah so. . . climbing down from soapbox. . .

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