M
magineer02
The example is for a 2007 Office Word
running on XP I had no issues with Word
on XP. In any case, I tried to follow the
instructions and I assume MY computer is now
computer in Win 7 but I could not find tools?
Robert
The example is for a 2007 Office Word
running on XP I had no issues with Word
on XP. In any case, I tried to follow the
instructions and I assume MY computer is now
computer in Win 7 but I could not find tools?
Robert
M
magineer02
Your confusing me again with all the additional
information. I didn't realize this was going to
be so involved.
Here is additional information for you and can
we please keep this as simple as possible.
(1) TB HD
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-33-3770 CPU @ 3.40 GHz 3.40 GHz
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system
Does this help?
Robert
M
magineer02
After reading Paul's comments and yours I think I'm
leaning more towards backing up the entire system.
I can always use DVD's to backup my data which at
present is my only source of backup.
I don't want to mess this computer up and Paul has
already confused me to the point I don't feel comfortable
creating another drive and as you point out there's
no need to.
I will hold off on buying the external HD until we get
this all sorted out. Here are the additional specifications
for the 8500:
(1) TB HD
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-33-3770 CPU @ 3.40 GHz 3.40 GHz
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system
Robert
leaning more towards backing up the entire system.
I can always use DVD's to backup my data which at
present is my only source of backup.
I don't want to mess this computer up and Paul has
already confused me to the point I don't feel comfortable
creating another drive and as you point out there's
no need to.
I will hold off on buying the external HD until we get
this all sorted out. Here are the additional specifications
for the 8500:
(1) TB HD
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-33-3770 CPU @ 3.40 GHz 3.40 GHz
Ram 12.0 GB
System type : 64-bit operating system
Robert
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Paul
It appears Windows 7 does not have the exact same interface as WinXP,
for making that change.
They do offer a Fixit here, but I'm just *not* convinced
this is your problem. The Fixit edits some registry entries.
I think what this does, is cause Word documents to open in a
web browser, rather than opening a separate Word window. Probably
not what you want.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-US;927009
*******
I have another theory. Windows 7 has an annoying habit (design intent???)
of opening certain dialog boxes *behind* the current window.
Now, say the following was happening. The Office 2013 startup
screen is opening, and it opens behind something else. Perhaps
that is blocking Word from starting normally, on your second
document.
Give this a try. Instructions for disabling this, if you happen
to see this appearing at Word startup.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2031432/how-to-disable-office-2013s-start-screen.html
The startup screen is shown in the picture here.
http://zapt5.staticworld.net/images/article/2013/03/word-2013-start-screen-100030009-large.jpg
Paul
P
Paul
So if you purchase the 1TB drive for backups, it's going to
last, up until the point that your internal 8500 drive
is full. Which is fine. As long as you know about that,
you're fine.
If you only have, say 40GB filled on the internal 1TB drive
right now, then you'll be able to do plenty of backup operations
on the new 1TB external USB drive.
Paul
K
Ken Blake, MVP
Not to try to talk you out of that (it's almost always a good choice),
but let me point something out: if you have Windows heavily customized
and you have lots of applications installed, especially if they are
customized, backing up the entire system can save you a lot of time
and effort if you have to start from scratch. But if yours is a simple
installation with few applications and little customization, there's
not a big difference between
1. restoring a backup of the whole system
2. doing a clean reinstallation of Windows, reinstalling your apps,
and restoring the backed-up data.
No, no, I think you are misunderstanding what backing up the whole
system means. To do that means to back up *everything* on your
drive--Windows, the applications, *and* all your data. If you lose
everything (for example, if your drive crashes) you replace the drive
if necessary, then just restore the whole system backup. No DVDs are
necessary.
Creating another partition is normally not difficult.
Right. there's normally no need to if you back up the whole drive.
Specifications are normally not an issue when deciding what your
backup strategy should be.
M
magineer02
Perhaps I should go back a little and
state that the Word program that is having
the problem came with my 8200/XP. Being Word
I didn't think there would be a problem with
using on Windows 7?
I still can use it but as I say after I open
Word then try to open a document the border
starts to flash. If I toggle the Alt-Tab keys
then My Documents appears and everything is
fine.
All I'm saying and have been saying is that I
should be able to go right to My Documents
without toggling.
Robert
state that the Word program that is having
the problem came with my 8200/XP. Being Word
I didn't think there would be a problem with
using on Windows 7?
I still can use it but as I say after I open
Word then try to open a document the border
starts to flash. If I toggle the Alt-Tab keys
then My Documents appears and everything is
fine.
All I'm saying and have been saying is that I
should be able to go right to My Documents
without toggling.
Robert
M
magineer02
At present I'm using 67.9 GB out of 1TB
including the OS and I seriously doubt
I will be able to fill up 1TB, I have
no games, videos etc.
As an example of my usage I only used
30GB out of 160GB on the 8200 and I had
that for 10 years.
Thanks,
Robert
M
magineer02
Ok, now I'm confused again, you're saying that
there's not a big difference in backing up and
reinstalling everything? Well there is to me.
I actually had to do that on the 8200 and it
was a nightmare and during the re-installation
process all those trying to help me said I
should have a dedicated external backup and I
could be up in minutes.
I don't ever want to have to go through the
re-installation process again which is why I
started this post in the first place.
Robert
there's not a big difference in backing up and
reinstalling everything? Well there is to me.
I actually had to do that on the 8200 and it
was a nightmare and during the re-installation
process all those trying to help me said I
should have a dedicated external backup and I
could be up in minutes.
I don't ever want to have to go through the
re-installation process again which is why I
started this post in the first place.
Robert
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Paul
It would help to know what version of Office (bundle)
or what version of Word (standalone) you're running,
to focus a search on that exact version.
Hitting alt-tab is something I use a fair amount,
and it's going to be walking through display windows
in the GUI. And will be bringing things to the front
for you. So the alt-tab would resolve any issues
where a window felt it was "blocked".
But to resolve this, is going to take some good
search terms. Much of my searching for fixes,
is pure luck. In some cases, it takes multiple
search sessions, using a fresh approach for each
search run. Modern search engines don't willingly
give up their secrets, and it takes just the
right keyword to find an answer.
So when you go and find out the version of your
software, that'll give me fresh "ammunition" to
work with.
I know you're on Windows 7, and it's likely WIndows 7 SP1,
based on the date of acquisition of the XPS 8500. But
I don't know the details of your Office setup.
Paul
K
Ken Blake, MVP
Then you should back up the entire hard drive, not just the data.
No, I wasn't saying there was no difference. I was saying that whether
it's a big difference or a small one depends on you--how many
applications you have installed and how much customization you've
done.
I know many people for whom the difference is very small and I know
lots of others for whom it's large.
P
Paul
Then a 1TB for backups should be fine, and cost effective.
You will have room for multiple backups, and the ability
to go backward in time, if you ever need to recover a
random file.
Paul
M
magineer02
I know you're trying to help and assist me
but I think it's better at this point if I
just start another post about this issue and
concentrate on getting my backup resolved first.
It's my fault really, but I had no idea that
backups were so involved.
Thanks,
Robert
M
magineer02
Understood,
Although my computer is simple by comparison,
the difference to me is to be able to bring
my system back as easy and simply as possible
without re-installation.
I still have a few questions regarding backups:
1. I could use Microsoft's backup program on the
computer but if I need to backup(reinstall) then
wouldn't it be prudent to have a 3rd party software
like Macrium to handle the backup vs Microsoft?
2. Can I incrementally back up my data?
3. Should I make a boot disk? (although I don't know how)
Thanks,
Robert
Although my computer is simple by comparison,
the difference to me is to be able to bring
my system back as easy and simply as possible
without re-installation.
I still have a few questions regarding backups:
1. I could use Microsoft's backup program on the
computer but if I need to backup(reinstall) then
wouldn't it be prudent to have a 3rd party software
like Macrium to handle the backup vs Microsoft?
2. Can I incrementally back up my data?
3. Should I make a boot disk? (although I don't know how)
Thanks,
Robert
K
Ken Blake, MVP
In general, third-party backup programs are considerably better than
what comes with Windows.
Also note that Windows backup files are version dependent. So, for
example, if you used Windows backup on an XP machine, you couldn't use
that backup to restore on a Windows 7 machine.
I've never used the Macrium Reflect backup program, but I've heard
good things about it.
Yes, although I'm never in favor of doing that. You have restore all
the incremental backups, and in the correct order, and that could be
hard. Also if you had deleted files, restoring from incremental
backups puts them back; that isn't necessarily a problem, but it could
be.
Yes, you should *always* have a boot disk.
P
Paul
I have a little "film strip" I made, of backing up
C: and SYSTEM RESERVED partitions (both of them), to a separate
backup disk.
The second last caption should read "Restore" rather than "Backup".
When viewing this, hold your mouse over the film strip, and the cursor
should change to a "+" sign. Click to magnify. Then you can read
my little adventure. This is Macrium Reflect Free.
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4512/macriumrestore.gif
So that's what backing up and restoring in Macrium looks like.
It does whole partitions, and is good for when you want to
completely back out of some mess you made.
And having a separate "Data" partition, helps, if you're using
that freebie. You can back up your more volatile data partition,
separately.
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As for Robert's comment that "this is complicated".
Wait until you try to use a backup tool like Retrospect.
It took me two days of work to set up that tool, on my
Mac years ago, to automatically back up all the data.
Now, that was complicated. It basically amounted to editing
some scripts, then dealing with backup failures (which were
failing for no apparent reason). Total backup there, was
20 different partitions.
These PC tools, are a *lot* simpler. If you can read and click,
you can do this stuff
Might only take you five minutes, tokick off a backup, then you can go back to doing other stuff.
Paul
K
Ken Blake, MVP
Yes, the point that I've made several times in this thread. If your
backup scheme is to backup just data, rather than the whole drive,
then having data on its own partition makes it easier.
M
magineer02
I guess I'll just have to backup everything to
keep things simple.
I think I'll start another thread on how to create
a boot disk unless you can give me easy to follow
instructions.
By the way I've tried to look all of this up in my
Windows 7 for Dummies 8 books in 1) which I have
found totally useless.
Thanks,
Robert
keep things simple.
I think I'll start another thread on how to create
a boot disk unless you can give me easy to follow
instructions.
By the way I've tried to look all of this up in my
Windows 7 for Dummies 8 books in 1) which I have
found totally useless.
Thanks,
Robert
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magineer02
Thank you very much Paul for the film strip
on how to use Macrium, I appreciate it very
much.
Thanks
Robert
on how to use Macrium, I appreciate it very
much.
Thanks
Robert
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Paul
If you are using the Windows built-in backup features
in Windows 7, you want the "Create a system repair disc".
The system repair disk, is a 200MB boot CD, that gets you
to a point where you can restore from a backup. Such
as a backup made with the "System Image" option.
http://www.bleepstatic.com/tutorials/windows/create-system-image/windows-7-file-recovery.jpg
And, you can still get to that interface in Windows 8,
but it is hidden from view
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If you need to restore your Windows 7 from a Windows 7
system image, the sequence goes like this.
1) Boot from the system repair CD disc.
http://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...628-system-recovery-options-repair_option.jpg
Select the Repair option.
2) You will eventually get to this screen.
http://www.sevenforums.com/attachme...em-image-recovery-system_recovery_options.jpg
Select "System Image recovery"
3) Now, you browse to the external disk, to find the backup
to restore from.
http://www.sevenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/48482d1263880678-system-image-recovery-step7.jpg
4) There are a couple more selection steps.
http://www.sevenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/48483d1263880707t-system-image-recovery-step8a.jpg
http://www.sevenforums.com/attachments/tutorials/48484d1263880707-system-image-recovery-step8b.jpg
5) And then it should restore, removing the old broken image
from C: (for better or worse).
The article I took those pictures from is here, but this
article attempts to cover way too many options and is
confusing. I selected the above images, to try to make
it a bit clearer what the simplest case would look like.
(Reference... for System Image kind of backup)
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/675-system-image-recovery.html
If you set up the file by file style of backup, then there
is a separate tutorial page for that case.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/648-restore-backup-user-system-files.html
I prefer the System Image option, because I can back up everything,
walk away, and come back when it's done. Less setup required.
I know you're going to hate those tutorial pages. They tend
to scare people who don't like that level of detail. But at
least the tutorials cover off many use cases and help people
out of a bind.
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Even Macrium makes its own boot CD, and the process for
that, I didn't put that in my film strip. You use the
local Linux based boot CD, as that does not involve
any downloads. Macrium also supports doing a download
of the WAIK kit from Microsoft (a 1GB download!), which
is overkill for most users. The Linux based boot CD,
you cannot tell Linux is running, because no part of
the Linux interface is exposed. It is just a boot CD
with a very specific and fixed function for the user.
And that is to support doing a restore from backup,
from your Macrium backup hard drive. You cannot do
any Linux-like commands using the Macrium boot disc,
so there is "nothing to learn". The film strip shows
the single dialog, offered by the boot CD.
Macrium makes the preparation of the Linux CD, pretty
easy. A major portion of the Macrium Reflect Free download,
is the content of that boot CD. The program itself is
smaller than that. Somewhere in the menu, you'll see
an option to make the CD boot disc.
Paul