Bit in the ass by ATI. Again.

[Looker007]

No need to, I'd gladly take it off your hands, FOR FREE seeing its a
"piece of shit"..
--Looker007

 

[Looker007]

Heh, thanks for the chuckle. Earlier tonight I threw my 9700
Pro into the garbage where it belongs, installed an Inno3D

Rick, why would you do that? I'd have paid shipping and taken it off
your hands
for free, since you turfed it anyway.

--Looker007

As for most of the other posts in this thread, y'all sound like
members of ATI's marketing department. Best of luck.

Well Rick you come across as a TROLL so PLONK!!

 

[Gonzo]

LOL, yeah, back about three or four years ago there were a lot of BX
systems
still around. Anyone running such a dinosaur now doesn't deserve a high
performing card like the 9700 Pro. 89MHz is WAY out of spec too, BTW.




Uh huh, sure. Whatever. I just find it hard to take a post like this
seriously.

Bet this guy has a whale tail on the back of his Honda Civic LOL!

He has to be a troll because nobody could be that dumb.

 

[J. Clarke]

Running a newer video card on a BX board is like adding a nitrous bottle
to a volkswagen bettle...

Hey, watch it . . . ("Herbie: Fully loaded" that is, coming soon to a
theater near you <grin>).

The original Beetle, suitably modified, was capable of quite remarkable
performance. There was a whole cult that grew up around hot-rodding the
Beetle.

That new thing though isn't a Beetle in anything but name.

 

[NightSky 421]

Heh, thanks for the chuckle. Earlier tonight I threw my 9700
Pro into the garbage where it belongs, installed an Inno3D
Geforce FX 5900 Ultra, and I'm on my merry way -- at
89MHz AGP -- AND 50% faster than the 9700 Pro (when
I finally do upgrade my BX system).

Very well. Let us know how DirectX 9 performance is on that 5900 Ultra.

 

[NightSky 421]

This must be a troll.

***admittedly ancient P3/Intel BX system*** FFS!

LOL, he might be deliberately trolling, but even so, I actually find the
original poster amusing. I personally don't know anyone running a BX system
within the last two years!

 

[GTD]

So, you'd think a $350 video card ...
The 9700 Pro isn't even ...

A 9700pro for $350 these days? I hope they kissed you while they were
raping you.

 

[Bob Doran]

With 500 horsepower available on the showroom floor from numerous
manufacturers, the only thing the bettle can do is create a crunching sound
and create a messy spot on the floor when it gets stepped on....

 

[Minotaur]

ATI knew perfectly well there's a huge installed base of BX
systems, and they also knew millions of people are running
them at 133FSB/89MHz AGP. Heck, Abit even released a
"BX-133" system that was fully supported at these speeds.
Why? Because just about every AGP card released in the
last five years can handle the o/c. Except ATI's 9x00.

What a piece of shit.

A good description of your computer system.

Heck upgrade your motherboard and stop complaining.
It would probably cost 25% of the cost of the video card you wish to put
in it anyway.

 

[J. Clarke]

LOL, he might be deliberately trolling, but even so, I actually find the
original poster amusing. I personally don't know anyone running a BX
system within the last two years!

Actually, I am. A nice dual 1K system with 750 gig of disk running Server
2K3. Need to add some RAM though at some point.

 

[J. Clarke]

With 500 horsepower available on the showroom floor from numerous
manufacturers, the only thing the bettle can do is create a crunching
sound and create a messy spot on the floor when it gets stepped on....

ROF,L. "Bugs get squashed" was the motto of many drag racers who found that
the EMPI Inch Pincher was far more than they were able to deal with.

And I'm not talking about those pathetic "Fast and the Furious" style street
racers--I'm talking about people who were driving things that would stomp
the one that scared the piss out of ol' Vin into the mud.

You kids have a lot to learn.

 

[JB]

It's been a few years since I last looked at ATI products. (I had
been scared away by a long string of pitiful experiences with
ATI's pitiful drivers, back in the "good old days".)

I was looking for a card that I could use now, on an admittedly
ancient P3/Intel BX system, and also that supports DX9 -- so I
could also use it once I upgrade my system. The two major
choices were (or ARE) ATI's 9x00 series and Nvidia's 5x00
series. Both card lines (at least most of them) are advertised as
being AGP2X compatible.

So, you'd think a $350 video card would run on an 89MHz AGP
bus, like almost every other video card made in the last five years?
Apparently that's asking too much from the hardware gurus at ATI.

The 9700 Pro isn't even stable at 75MHz on an AGP2X bus!
Random cold boot problems (not caused by an inadequate power
supply btw), random hangs in Windows etc. Utterly pathetic.
And bios updates? None to be found on ATI's site. I guess they
can't be bothered.

The final straw was when I tried to find where in ATI's bloated
drivers I could add a custom 2D screen resolution. Option not
there. Incredible.

I'm trashing this piece of shit and going back to Nvidia.<

My Asus P4S533-based system is 53% overclocked which means the agp bus is
running at 101.9 MHz. This is for an ATI 9800 pro running at stock speed in
the 4X mode. The system is stable and the graphics are great.

 

[Rick]

My Asus P4S533-based system is 53% overclocked which means the agp bus is
running at 101.9 MHz. This is for an ATI 9800 pro running at stock speed in
the 4X mode. The system is stable and the graphics are great.

Interesting.. Are you sure your motherboard doesn't lock the
AGP bus at 66Mhz?

 

[Bob Doran]

Kids? I got my drivers license at 16 in 1969.

ROF,L. "Bugs get squashed" was the motto of many drag racers who found
that
the EMPI Inch Pincher was far more than they were able to deal with.

And I'm not talking about those pathetic "Fast and the Furious" style
street
racers--I'm talking about people who were driving things that would stomp
the one that scared the piss out of ol' Vin into the mud.

You kids have a lot to learn.

 

[J. Clarke]

Kids? I got my drivers license at 16 in 1969.

And paid no attention whatsoever to what was going on in the drag-racing
world.

 

[JB]

Interesting.. Are you sure your motherboard doesn't lock the
AGP bus at 66Mhz?

I spoke too soon! First of all, I am overclocked 54% not 53%. To do this
I set the system clock to 154 MHz and the PCI bus is synched to that in a
staircase manner. IOW, the PCI bus is stepped up only at discrete points as
the clock is increased and it is set to 39MHz for that system frequency.
The AGP is probably 2*PCI as it's not addressed in the BIOS settings.

So in all likelyhood the AGP is running at 78 MHz. Thank you for catching
that...

 

[Rick]

I spoke too soon! First of all, I am overclocked 54% not 53%. To do this
I set the system clock to 154 MHz and the PCI bus is synched to that in a
staircase manner. IOW, the PCI bus is stepped up only at discrete points as
the clock is increased and it is set to 39MHz for that system frequency.
The AGP is probably 2*PCI as it's not addressed in the BIOS settings.

So in all likelyhood the AGP is running at 78 MHz. Thank you for catching
that...

You might want to check it again.. Reviews of the P4S533
indicate AGP speed is locked, regardless of system/pci clock.

 

[JB]

You might want to check it again.. Reviews of the P4S533
indicate AGP speed is locked, regardless of system/pci clock.<

I have been trying to verify that but have not been able to. I assumed that
it was not locked because the 3dmark stays the same or goes lower when I
overclock the video with the cpu overclocked 54%. But if I lower the cpu
speed, an improvement in the benchmark occurs when I overclock the video.
Other than a change in the AGP speed, I don't know what would explain it.

 

[Bob Doran]

Yeah, I paid no attention all all except for the 69 Camaro small block I
built that ran in the low 12's, and subsequently, a 67 Chevelle with an
rectangular port stroked rat that ran in the mid 10's, so keep on talking
about bugs, cause I'm getting a big laugh out if it... Like you have a clue
wtf you are talking about.

 

[J. Clarke]

Yeah, I paid no attention all all except for the 69 Camaro small block I
built that ran in the low 12's, and subsequently, a 67 Chevelle with an
rectangular port stroked rat that ran in the mid 10's, so keep on talking
about bugs, cause I'm getting a big laugh out if it... Like you have a
clue wtf you are talking about.

What would you say then, to a Beetle than ran in the 11s? Because there was
one, the EMPI Inch Pincher. I'm surprised you never heard of it.