I would choose Nvidia 6800 over Ati X800

[Ryan Atici]

When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any ATI video
card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an ATI video card and not having
stable operating system because of flaws in the video card driver?

It is a given fact that none of the ATI video cards are as reliable and
crash-free as the NVIDIA video cards. Because of driver problems, ATI video
cards cause problems. Sometimes with some games, ATI video cards freeze the
operating system.

On the other hand, NVIDIA CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just read
the recent benchmarks. NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games than ATI
X800. I would definitely get NVIDIA 6800 rather than paying $500 for an ATI
video card and having my operating system crash all the time.

 

[somnambulist]

When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any ATI video
card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an ATI video card and not having
stable operating system because of flaws in the video card driver?

It is a given fact that none of the ATI video cards are as reliable and
crash-free as the NVIDIA video cards. Because of driver problems, ATI video
cards cause problems. Sometimes with some games, ATI video cards freeze the
operating system.

On the other hand, NVIDIA CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just read
the recent benchmarks. NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games than ATI
X800. I would definitely get NVIDIA 6800 rather than paying $500 for an ATI
video card and having my operating system crash all the time.

Take your rhetoric somewhere else fanboy....

Anyone else reading this can replace each occurence of the word ATI with
NVIDIA and vice versa. The argument would be just as valid.

 

[CrimsonLiar]

Personally my 9800XT was a trip back to ATi having been more than 5 years
since my last ATi video card and the time in between spent with Nvidia
cards. Regards the next gen cards both manufacturers have, lets wait for
real users to get their hands on them and start to find the weaknesses of
both.

It does seem funny to me though the assertion that Nvidia cards are any more
reliable and crash free than their ATi opponents. This simply is neither
what I have experienced or what I read in the Nvidia newsgroups, yes the
issues are different, but there are still issues all the same.

CrimsonLiar

 

[Tony DiMarzio]

This is the most unintelligent, weakly thought out, and clout lacking,
NVIDIA fanboy 6800 vs X800 post I've read all week. Enough to make my
stomach turn.

Take your desperate, school-yard trash-talking somewhere else.... and do a
little research before you open your mouth next time.

 

[Bratboy]

<Gives Ryan a Trollhouse Cookie and sends him back under his bridge>

Sorry Ryan but you are so full of crap there's nothing else to say.

 

[RipFlex]

You must be one of them slowww people and do not realize they have greatly
improve the drivers since they came out with their radeon 9700 and onwards.

Hate people living in the past.

And if you go the Nvidia newgroups.. OMG they have driver issues to !
Strange isn't it?

 

[RipFlex]

Well, I have used video cards from both card manufacturers, I can say both
had their issues. But I didn't dare touch ATI cards until after the 8500+
and until they said OMG SORRY WE MAKE BETTER DRIVERS THIS TIME...

I dropped bills on a 9800 pro and never looked back.

 

[MacGyver]

I'm with you Ryan. I've had every generation of NVIDIA video cards and
never had a problem. No hardware compatibility issues or flakey drivers. I
bought a 9700 Pro and I've had nothing but problems. I've used it in 4
different computers will all the same results. I've RMA the card 3 times
also, so I can rule out bad apple. Card will work fine for a short while
then I get driver crashes and games screwing up.

Early benchmarks show the X800 beating the 6800 in a few games, but their
OpenGL still sucks ass. Both need time to mature, even though the X800 is
basically a 9700/9800 updated. The 6800 is new stuff. I do hate the power
requirement for the 6800, but I plan on getting a PCI Express version which
will only require one 4-pin molex.

Only time will tell, but as long as both of them exist, we benefit the most.

 

[Bratboy]

I guess I did have some more to say hehe,
Funny thing is most of all the reviews show the 2 cards pretty even but with
high rez n AA/AF the ATI cards are beating out the 6800. Heck, the darn x800
pro (not even the top card which is the PE) is matching the 6800 or coming
close to it for some tests so I don't know where you got your:

"NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games than ATI X800"

As for crashes that sounds like you just do crappy system maintenence. When
I got my 9800 I tossed out the 5600 fx, thru new card in installed drivers
and so far have not had 1 lock up or game crash going as far back as the
3.7's catalyst drivers. I actually can even play alot of my games at 1600 x
1200 with 2-4x AA and 8x AF without much of a prob and thats a poor ole 9800
pro.

Both companies make cards and each has different +/-'s.

+'s for ATI
• Low pwr consumption (no need to buy a new 480 watt PS
• Single slot solution
• Decent driver support (contrary to some like Ryan's opinion)
• IQ, it can be debated but my personal opinion is ATI's better (YMMV)
• Really burns thru games out today
• New 3dc maps (which ATI is making avail for free along with tools to all
developers)
• ATI's new card will work well in shuttle systems due to way less heat and
lower pwr need
• ATI also makes its cards as well as other companies doing so
• SRP for the pro which can get close to if not match the 6800 is $399, $499
is for the Top card that kicks NV's butt

-'s for ATI
• No PS3 (debatable if its even of value till next yr)
• No buzzsaw of a fan filling the room with <WHHIRRRRRRRR>
(Dont deny it my 5200 and 5600 were both bad at that)
• Ogl needs work but even tho slower than Nv's its still outragously fast
and playable compared to old cards

+'s for Nvidia
• Can do PS3
• the 6800 is at least an improvement over the FX line
• Has better Ogl (at least for now)

-'s for Nvidia
• Is not a single slot solution
• Will require many to buy a new expensive PSupply to handle the 480 ps
recommendation of Nvidia
• Is so pwr hungry it takes 2 Molex connectors
• Fan will most likely be just like the FX line ie a Buzzsaw when really
pumping 3D
• Gets tied in games with the ATI mid range Pro card and topped by the
Platinum version
• These cards WILL NOT WORK for shuttle systems
• Nvidia only makes Chips not cards so don't hold breath for support from
Nvidia
• Nvidia's rep for "Optimizing" leaves a real nasty taste in the mouth.
• Extreme heat producer on top of it.

Now way back I used Nvidia cards only, starting with the Velocity 128 then a
TnT, then a gf3U, then I tried 2 FX models (5200 and 5600) before I ever
gave ATI a shot with a 9800 pro someone gave me as a gift so I think its
fair to say I've been on both sides of the fence. After trying the ATI card
I swore off the Nvidia buy wagon. The IQ was just so much better, the
crashes non existant, the support much better, the drivers more reliable
with my ATI. Maybe someday Nvidia will put out a card I see as valuable to
me but at this point they couldnt give me a 6800, id rather keep my 9800
till end of month when Im buying what I feel is the best card for
today/tomorrow x800 XT PE.

In the end buy whatever you like/trust. For me thats an ATI card.

Just Jess

 

[Slug]

When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any ATI video
card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an ATI video card and not having
stable operating system because of flaws in the video card driver?

It is a given fact that none of the ATI video cards are as reliable and
crash-free as the NVIDIA video cards. Because of driver problems, ATI video
cards cause problems. Sometimes with some games, ATI video cards freeze the
operating system.

On the other hand, NVIDIA CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just read
the recent benchmarks. NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games than ATI
X800. I would definitely get NVIDIA 6800 rather than paying $500 for an ATI
video card and having my operating system crash all the time.

Yea, that's why one of the review sites refused to use the latest
forceware drivers on the 6800u. They said the latest forceware drivers
were absolute shit. They also said the X800 ran with no issues on the
CAT 4.5 drivers provided by ATI. Dumbass troll.

 

[Don Burnette]

When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any ATI
video card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an ATI video card and not
having stable operating system because of flaws in the video card
driver?

It is a given fact that none of the ATI video cards are as reliable
and crash-free as the NVIDIA video cards. Because of driver problems,
ATI video cards cause problems. Sometimes with some games, ATI video
cards freeze the operating system.

On the other hand, NVIDIA CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just
read the recent benchmarks. NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games
than ATI X800. I would definitely get NVIDIA 6800 rather than paying
$500 for an ATI video card and having my operating system crash all
the time.

I have had literally no crashes since switching to ATI. First with a 9700
Pro, and now with a 9800 Pro.
Can't say the same for when I had Nvidia cards.

I would imagine, many on both sides of the camp, could say the same.
So where is the proof to back you your " given fact" ? Or is that just
conjecture on your part??

Once again , my system has NEVER crashed since putting ATI video card in.
So thanks for asking, but no, I will stick with ATI. I left Nvidia when they
blundered after the GeForce 4 series. They screwed up royally then, and will
take a lot to get me to come back.

Perhaps, if your operating system crashes all the time, you have more
problems than your aware of?
I personally like having a crash free system..

 

[Don Burnette]

OPen GL? Thought that was archaic by now. I'll take D3D visual quality and
performance any day.

I have had every generation of Nvidia up through GeForce4 Ti4400. Had
crashes. Switched to ATI after the horrendous reviews of Nvidia's new leaf
blower offering, never looked back.
No crashes.

One of the best choices/decisions I ever made was going to ATI. I think
Nvidia lost quite a few customers during that time. Getting them back, will
prove not as easy as losing them did.

Don't get me wrong. I am glad the competition is there, to keep em on their
toes, new technology forthcoming, and prices from becoming outrageous. But I
have no reason, none whatsoever, to even consider going back to Nvidia. I am
quite happy with my ATI card.


Don Burnette

 

[papasurf]

Come on MacGyver, you are always able to fix anything on your tv show;driver
problems should be easy

I have had very little trouble with either brand. I was thinking about
buying a 6800 and using it to cook on (lots of heat) when I am at a lan
party It should do well as a Hibachi

 

[Heywood]

I have nad my 9700 pro since it first came out and update drivers each
time they come out...never had a problem It has been in three systems
(abit, asus and now MSI) now ,,,,,,It is in an Athlon 64 3200+ MSI
system now...they have my vote as well! I have removed the stiock
cooler and replaced it with a VGA Silencer though only to reduce
system heat which the silencer is quite good at!

 

[Dr Richard Cranium]

here i fixed the trash you just wrote - and put it back the correct way dufus.
-=-=-
: When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any NVIDIA video
: card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an NVIDIA video card and not having
: stable operating system because of flaws in the video card driver?
:
: It is a given fact that none of the NVIDIA video cards are as reliable and
: crash-free as the ATI video cards. Because of driver problems, NVIDIA video
: cards cause problems. Sometimes with some games, NVIDIA video cards freeze the
: operating system.
:
: On the other hand, ATI CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just read the recent
benchmarks.
: NVIDIA 6800 performs faster crashes in many games and the rest of the benchmarks NVIDIA
just fabracated or blantantly lied about. At Least the ATI video cards are honest
performers and earn their higher benchmarks legally.
: I would definitely get ATI x800 at any cost, rather than paying $0.50 for an NVIDIA
video
: card and having my operating system crash all the time.
:

take this back to your Nvideo site mate.

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: When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any ATI video
: card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an ATI video card and not having
: stable operating system because of flaws in the video card driver?
:
: It is a given fact that none of the ATI video cards are as reliable and
: crash-free as the NVIDIA video cards. Because of driver problems, ATI video
: cards cause problems. Sometimes with some games, ATI video cards freeze the
: operating system.
:
: On the other hand, NVIDIA CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just read
: the recent benchmarks. NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games than ATI
: X800. I would definitely get NVIDIA 6800 rather than paying $500 for an ATI
: video card and having my operating system crash all the time.
:
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[Minotaur]

When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any ATI video
card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an ATI video card and not having
stable operating system because of flaws in the video card driver?

It is a given fact that none of the ATI video cards are as reliable and
crash-free as the NVIDIA video cards. Because of driver problems, ATI video
cards cause problems. Sometimes with some games, ATI video cards freeze the
operating system.

On the other hand, NVIDIA CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just read
the recent benchmarks. NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games than ATI
X800. I would definitely get NVIDIA 6800 rather than paying $500 for an ATI
video card and having my operating system crash all the time.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjEx

You should have read more R420 reviews before trying to think of reasons
to hate the one you once loved.

 

[[neil]]

This is the most unintelligent, weakly thought out, and clout lacking,
NVIDIA fanboy 6800 vs X800 post I've read all week. Enough to make my
stomach turn.

Take your desperate, school-yard trash-talking somewhere else.... and do a
little research before you open your mouth next time.

His arguments sounded uncannily like the 32bit v 16bit 3dfx bashing that the
NV fanboys did a few years back...

Of course that was all shite too - I finally "upgraded" to a Geforce and was
pissed off as now I had to play all my games in 32bit just to get as good
image quality as the old V5 in 16bit could do... :-\ Did anyone ever
work out how the 3dfx cards looked so good in 16bit, without any of the
artefacts or hatchweave patterns that Nvidia 16bit had?

Anyway, my 9600XT will do me nicely until I upgrade to my next Radeon - long
live ATI

Neil

 

[Stoneskin]

Don Burnette left a note on my windscreen which said:

OPen GL? Thought that was archaic by now. I'll take D3D visual quality and
performance any day.

It mostly is. But there are some out there. I would be lying if I said
I wasn't quite dissapointed when I fired up Neverwinter Nights on my new
9800 Pro and it performed worse than my Ti4600.

On the other hand the majority of games are D3D now so it isn't a big
issue.

I have had every generation of Nvidia up through GeForce4 Ti4400. Had
crashes. Switched to ATI after the horrendous reviews of Nvidia's new leaf
blower offering, never looked back.
No crashes.

I think the only problem I have had is flashing textures on Far Cry with
my Radeon. Fixed in the 4.4 drivers.

One of the best choices/decisions I ever made was going to ATI. I think
Nvidia lost quite a few customers during that time. Getting them back, will
prove not as easy as losing them did.

I remain quite indifferent to the two. I like the horsepower of the
Radeon but my Ti4600 was no diffeent when I bought that. Very few
problems with either of them.

 

[Slats8]

When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any ATI video
card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an ATI video card and not having
stable operating system because of flaws in the video card driver?

Lyin' Ryan

 

[Olaf]

When reliability is the major issue, I would never, EVER get any ATI
video card. Can you imagine paying $500 for an ATI video card and not
having stable operating system because of flaws in the video card
driver?

It is a given fact that none of the ATI video cards are as reliable
and crash-free as the NVIDIA video cards. Because of driver problems,
ATI video cards cause problems. Sometimes with some games, ATI video
cards freeze the operating system.

On the other hand, NVIDIA CARDS are rock solid with stability. I just
read the recent benchmarks. NVIDIA 6800 performs better in many games
than ATI X800. I would definitely get NVIDIA 6800 rather than paying
$500 for an ATI video card and having my operating system crash all
the time.

Clearly you are a troll, but I would like to point out the stupidly high
power supply requirement for the 6800. With the performance levels of the
two cards being relatively similar (that is a stretch though...the ATI seems
to kick the shit out of the 6800 in 1600x1200 AA, AF tests), that is a deal
breaker where I am concerned.

olaf