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Les
Ryan Atici said:
Proven where, by whom?
Show me the proof, do not merely state its proven then not back the
statement up.
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Proven where, by whom?
Show me the proof, do not merely state its proven then not back the
statement up.
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bp
That's all he can.Proven where, by whom?
Show me the proof, do not merely state its proven then not back the
statement up.
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Pluvious
On Sat, 8 May 2004 20:24:49 -0400, "Ryan Atici"
||>I wouldn't pay $500 for a video card. By the time the card gets down
||>to $200, the drivers should work fine.
||
||By that time, another video card will come out to overshadow that video
||card, and you will want to get the best one, then you will say again that
||you want to wait until the price of the new video card drops down to $200,
||and by that time, a stable driver should be put out. As you wait for that
||one, another new card will be released to overshadow that video card as
||well. It is a never-ending cycle.
And how is this different then Nvidia? They have cards that cost $500
and will eventually get down to $200 as well. Ryan, you're either a
troll trying to get ATI users all upset or just stupid.
Pluvious
||>I wouldn't pay $500 for a video card. By the time the card gets down
||>to $200, the drivers should work fine.
||
||By that time, another video card will come out to overshadow that video
||card, and you will want to get the best one, then you will say again that
||you want to wait until the price of the new video card drops down to $200,
||and by that time, a stable driver should be put out. As you wait for that
||one, another new card will be released to overshadow that video card as
||well. It is a never-ending cycle.
And how is this different then Nvidia? They have cards that cost $500
and will eventually get down to $200 as well. Ryan, you're either a
troll trying to get ATI users all upset or just stupid.
Pluvious
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Ben Pope
Pluvious said:And how is this different then Nvidia? They have cards that cost $500
and will eventually get down to $200 as well. Ryan, you're either a
troll trying to get ATI users all upset or just stupid.
....or both.
Ben
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NoneOfBusiness
I'm afraid I'm stuck in the world of completely stable ATI products, Mr
Nvidia fanboy.
You go on and on about ATI products being unstable, yet I and many users
have nothing but the polar opposite to say about them. You have so far been
complete unable to prove your wild theory and back it up with facts, so I
suggest that you go back, research things a little more and then eat your
humble pie when you finally realise you're talking complete and utter
twaddle.
You might think so.... I couldn't possibly comment.
No my dear boy, I'm afraid it's you that needs to catch on.
Let me say it again, just so we're clear: prove your stupid theory and
people might actually take your wild rantings seriously, until you've done
that though, start smacking yourself with a piece of clue by four until you
realise you're talking rubbish.
Nvidia drivers still tend to be more stable than ATI. I use both
chipsets and have for years (currently TI4400, FX5200, 9600XT, 9800pro
with windows 2000 and XP) and i consistently have less issues with
NVidia drivers. That being said, I love my ATI cards and I wish they
would get their act together with better testing of their drivers.
NVidia gets feedback from their "leaked" betas. Does ATI? I have never
even seen a beta driver from them,so who knows.
A
anonymous
By that time, another video card will come out to overshadow that video
card,
and you will want to get the best one,
...
Your screwball logic hit the bottom right there.
I meant exactly what I said, not what you dream.
R
Ryan Atici
Simple example, a recent one posted by Harry Putnam. Let's read what kind of
problem he is having with his 9800XT. ;-)
----------
Group,
Some times on bootup, and it seems to be happening more often, I get
my initial login screen but with some kind of strange overlay or
corruption.
The overlay consists of columns of bars about 1 1/4 inches long and
columns that strech full length of monitor. About 8-10 columns wide.
Columns have about an inch of space between them. Something like:
====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ======
====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ======
====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ======
[...]
Its transparent but opaque enough that it makes doing any thing
impossible. Usually a full stop/restart sequence is required to make
it disappear. A reboot usually doesn't do it.
And sometimes even a full stop/restart and it still shows up for
several cycles.
Mobo is the Asus KV8 mobo for athlon64.
Any one have a clue what might be the cause of this?
----------
Now let's read how another poster named Dave W. responds
----------
Some rumors say that Athlon 64 motherboards are having some conflicts with
Radeon cards.
----------
I rest my case. ATI cards cause nothing but never-ending problems. Problems
related to video card driver, problems related to some sort of motherboard
or this or that incompatibility. Problems, problems, nothing but
never-ending problems with ATI cards. You ATI losers, I mean "users" are
pathetically in denial to acknowledge the wide-spread and well-known
problems of the ATI cards...
problem he is having with his 9800XT. ;-)
----------
Group,
Some times on bootup, and it seems to be happening more often, I get
my initial login screen but with some kind of strange overlay or
corruption.
The overlay consists of columns of bars about 1 1/4 inches long and
columns that strech full length of monitor. About 8-10 columns wide.
Columns have about an inch of space between them. Something like:
====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ======
====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ======
====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ======
[...]
Its transparent but opaque enough that it makes doing any thing
impossible. Usually a full stop/restart sequence is required to make
it disappear. A reboot usually doesn't do it.
And sometimes even a full stop/restart and it still shows up for
several cycles.
Mobo is the Asus KV8 mobo for athlon64.
Any one have a clue what might be the cause of this?
----------
Now let's read how another poster named Dave W. responds
----------
Some rumors say that Athlon 64 motherboards are having some conflicts with
Radeon cards.
----------
I rest my case. ATI cards cause nothing but never-ending problems. Problems
related to video card driver, problems related to some sort of motherboard
or this or that incompatibility. Problems, problems, nothing but
never-ending problems with ATI cards. You ATI losers, I mean "users" are
pathetically in denial to acknowledge the wide-spread and well-known
problems of the ATI cards...
S
somnambulist
I rest my case. ATI cards cause nothing but never-ending problems. Problems
related to video card driver, problems related to some sort of motherboard
or this or that incompatibility. Problems, problems, nothing but
never-ending problems with ATI cards. You ATI losers, I mean "users" are
pathetically in denial to acknowledge the wide-spread and well-known
problems of the ATI cards...
_You_ still haven't provided us with anything other your own ridiculous clap
trap.
Having had no problems with ATI drivers, no problems with my Athlon 64 and
no problems at all with my ATI card, I can prove each and every time that
you are a brainwashed fanboy who can't see past the latest batch of FUD that
Brian Burke et al cook up, and which you covet and consume with glee, like
trollish little fanboy you are. Whether other users have problems or not is
irrelevant, as you have yet to give anyone in the group any substance to
back up your monotonous claims....
Give us the indisputable proof we demand, or just shut up and skulk off into
the corner and rant about some other ridiculous injustice the world has done
you.
S
somnambulist
NoneOfBusiness said:Nvidia drivers still tend to be more stable than ATI. I use both
chipsets and have for years (currently TI4400, FX5200, 9600XT, 9800pro
with windows 2000 and XP) and i consistently have less issues with
NVidia drivers. That being said, I love my ATI cards and I wish they
would get their act together with better testing of their drivers.
NVidia gets feedback from their "leaked" betas. Does ATI? I have never
even seen a beta driver from them,so who knows.
In my experience I've had more problems with Nvidia drivers than owt else
(I've got a GF3ti200 and an FX5900, in addition to the far superior Radeon
9700 Pro and the X800XT PE I'll get!!). It's all horses for courses
though - what works for one might not work for another.... I'll not mention
closed, private Beta testing of ATI drivers though ;-)
At least you've given us a little background on your experiences, for which
you're to be commended, which is more than can be said for Bushwhacker.
B
Ben Pope
Ryan said:Simple example, a recent one posted by Harry Putnam. Let's read what kind
of problem he is having with his 9800XT. ;-)
----------
Group,
Some times on bootup, and it seems to be happening more often, I get
my initial login screen but with some kind of strange overlay or
corruption.
The overlay consists of columns of bars about 1 1/4 inches long and
columns that strech full length of monitor. About 8-10 columns wide.
Columns have about an inch of space between them. Something like:
====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ======
====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ======
====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ======
[...]
Its transparent but opaque enough that it makes doing any thing
impossible. Usually a full stop/restart sequence is required to make
it disappear. A reboot usually doesn't do it.
And sometimes even a full stop/restart and it still shows up for
several cycles.
Mobo is the Asus KV8 mobo for athlon64.
Any one have a clue what might be the cause of this?
----------
Now let's read how another poster named Dave W. responds
----------
Some rumors say that Athlon 64 motherboards are having some conflicts with
Radeon cards.
----------
I rest my case. ATI cards cause nothing but never-ending problems.
Problems related to video card driver, problems related to some sort of
motherboard or this or that incompatibility. Problems, problems, nothing
but never-ending problems with ATI cards. You ATI losers, I mean "users"
are pathetically in denial to acknowledge the wide-spread and well-known
problems of the ATI cards...
You're still talking crap and giving opinions as fact. For all you know it
could be caused by interference from a cordless phone or power adaptor.
You're now taking badly-worded*, second hand examples of problems, along
with second hand opinions and calling this fact. How on earth can you class
that as proof?
*no offence Harry, but if it's transparent, it ain't opaque - being from an
engineering background I use those terms with specific meanings, which are
mutually exclusive and quite contrary.
Ben
B
bp
Nvidia drivers still tend to be more stable than ATI. I use both
chipsets and have for years (currently TI4400, FX5200, 9600XT, 9800pro
with windows 2000 and XP) and i consistently have less issues with
NVidia drivers. That being said, I love my ATI cards and I wish they
would get their act together with better testing of their drivers.
Exactly what problems are you having with the drivers ?
NVidia gets feedback from their "leaked" betas. Does ATI? I have never
even seen a beta driver from them,so who knows.
So what. You bitch about buggy drivers but then you want beta drivers
? Doesn't make sense to me.
R
Ryan Atici
Having had no problems with ATI drivers, no problems with my Athlon 64 and
You sound very upset and violent. ;-) You're simply getting pissed off when
I show you how unreliable and incompatible the ATI cards are... I think you
should grow up and embrace the fact rather than getting upset and foaming
around your mouth like a little child.
no problems at all with my ATI card, I can prove each and every time that
you are a brainwashed fanboy who can't see past the latest batch of FUD that
Brian Burke et al cook up, and which you covet and consume with glee, like
trollish little fanboy you are. Whether other users have problems or not is
irrelevant, as you have yet to give anyone in the group any substance to
back up your monotonous claims....
Give us the indisputable proof we demand, or just shut up and skulk off into
the corner and rant about some other ridiculous injustice the world has done
you.
You sound very upset and violent. ;-) You're simply getting pissed off when
I show you how unreliable and incompatible the ATI cards are... I think you
should grow up and embrace the fact rather than getting upset and foaming
around your mouth like a little child.
R
Ryan Atici
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Ryan Atici
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To send email, remove _osmanli
He's simply having "lying" problems. ;-) That's all.
ATI users lack common sense since they can't come to terms with the flaws of
ATI cards.
Ryan Atici
(e-mail address removed)
To send email, remove _osmanli
Exactly what problems are you having with the drivers ?
He's simply having "lying" problems. ;-) That's all.
So what. You bitch about buggy drivers but then you want beta drivers
? Doesn't make sense to me.
ATI users lack common sense since they can't come to terms with the flaws of
ATI cards.
B
bp
Simple example, a recent one posted by Harry Putnam. Let's read what kind of
problem he is having with his 9800XT. ;-)
----------
Group,
Some times on bootup, and it seems to be happening more often, I get
my initial login screen but with some kind of strange overlay or
corruption.
The overlay consists of columns of bars about 1 1/4 inches long and
columns that strech full length of monitor. About 8-10 columns wide.
Columns have about an inch of space between them. Something like:
====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ======
====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ======
====== ====== ====== ====== ====== ======
[...]
Its transparent but opaque enough that it makes doing any thing
impossible. Usually a full stop/restart sequence is required to make
it disappear. A reboot usually doesn't do it.
And sometimes even a full stop/restart and it still shows up for
several cycles.
He has bad memory or over clocked memory in his card.
SO you blame ATI for new hardware, a MB, causing conflicts with ATI.Mobo is the Asus KV8 mobo for athlon64.
Any one have a clue what might be the cause of this?
LOL MAYBE its the MB drivers !!
I rest my case. ATI cards cause nothing but never-ending problems. Problems
related to video card driver, problems related to some sort of motherboard
or this or that incompatibility. Problems, problems, nothing but
never-ending problems with ATI cards. You ATI losers, I mean "users" are
pathetically in denial to acknowledge the wide-spread and well-known
problems of the ATI cards...
You rest your case ?
You are indeed an idiot and hopefully not a lawyer
..
1. did you ever hear what the fix turned out to be ? From these post
it would seem you didn't. You just jump to a conclusion.
In example one I'll bet he OC'ed his card. I've seen the same when I
OC'ed mine. Not a driver issue but a user issue
2. The next example was with a new MB with a new Chip set and you
blame it on ATI drivers. BTW a new MB has all sorts of hardware
devices and drivers that go with it. How in the hell do you know it
was ATI drivers and not some early v1.00 MB/Chipset drivers ?
You don't
Now do you want me to go find 3 post in a Nvidia group and claim your
case is shit ?
Go away troll boy
better yet:
PLONK
one more stupid troll in the waste basket.
S
somnambulist
Ryan Atici said:not
You sound very upset and violent. ;-) You're simply getting pissed off when
I show you how unreliable and incompatible the ATI cards are... I think you
should grow up and embrace the fact rather than getting upset and foaming
around your mouth like a little child.
You've shown us nothing, other than smoke, mirrors and snake oil.
'fraid I'm not upset or violent at all either. Merely mildly amused at your
complete inability to backup your meaningless claptrap with anything
approaching fact. Is it so hard for you to give a truthful example,
corroborated by others, of what you're raving on about? Though not....
R
Ryan Atici
You rest your case ?
Yep!
Sure! Fix is easy. Just get Nvidia video card rather than running into one
problem after another with an ATI card.
Of course, there is nothing else to blame but ATI cards. Everybody knows
about how incompatible and troublesome the ATI cards are... I mean, I am
sorry but I have no option again other than resting my case.
I don't understand why you're emotionally scarred by the unreliability and
incompatibility of the ATI cards. I mean, the solution is easy. Just buy
Nvidia card.
Yep!
You are indeed an idiot and hopefully not a lawyer
Neither...
1. did you ever hear what the fix turned out to be ? From these post
it would seem you didn't. You just jump to a conclusion.
In example one I'll bet he OC'ed his card. I've seen the same when I
OC'ed mine. Not a driver issue but a user issue
Sure! Fix is easy. Just get Nvidia video card rather than running into one
problem after another with an ATI card.
2. The next example was with a new MB with a new Chip set and you
blame it on ATI drivers. BTW a new MB has all sorts of hardware
devices and drivers that go with it. How in the hell do you know it
was ATI drivers and not some early v1.00 MB/Chipset drivers ?
Of course, there is nothing else to blame but ATI cards. Everybody knows
about how incompatible and troublesome the ATI cards are... I mean, I am
sorry but I have no option again other than resting my case.
You don't
Now do you want me to go find 3 post in a Nvidia group and claim your
case is shit ?
Go away troll boy
I don't understand why you're emotionally scarred by the unreliability and
incompatibility of the ATI cards. I mean, the solution is easy. Just buy
Nvidia card.
B
Boppie
I still wonder what would have happened if the card mfg's would have made a
3d card that just did 3d and nothing else like the old Voodoo1's & 2's?
Of course, no built in video! Just someone that did 2d to the balls and 3d
to the balls!!!!!!!!!
BBoppie
3d card that just did 3d and nothing else like the old Voodoo1's & 2's?
Of course, no built in video! Just someone that did 2d to the balls and 3d
to the balls!!!!!!!!!
BBoppie
P
patrickp
...or both.
Ben
Absolutely, Ben. But he hasn't half got a lot of people going! ;-)
patrickp
(e-mail address removed) - take five to email me
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NoneOfBusiness
Exactly what problems are you having with the drivers ?
So what. You bitch about buggy drivers but then you want beta drivers
? Doesn't make sense to me.
I am just making the point that with people testing beta drivers (not
me) that nvidia can have feedback on what sorts of "problems" they may
have and "fix" them accordingly. As a software developer, this is a
huge plus to have others test your code and give you feedback.
B
bp
You've shown us nothing, other than smoke, mirrors and snake oil.
'fraid I'm not upset or violent at all either. Merely mildly amused at your
complete inability to backup your meaningless claptrap with anything
approaching fact. Is it so hard for you to give a truthful example,
corroborated by others, of what you're raving on about? Though not....
Even if he could he doesn't want to. He is nothing more than a fan boy
troll.
Plonk him and be done with him.
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