Bill Gates on "The Daily Show"

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Guest

Did anyone else happen to see Gates' appearance on The Daily Show? Jon
Stewart asked Bill, rather incredulously, whether beta testers would get to
keep using their "free" version of Vista. *Gates responded in the
affirmative,* saying that after all the glitches and problems beta testers
had to put up with, they'd earned their copy.

So why is there still an expiration date? Bill wasn't LYING, was he?
 
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Michael Solomon

tom_m said:
Did anyone else happen to see Gates' appearance on The Daily Show? Jon
Stewart asked Bill, rather incredulously, whether beta testers would
get to keep using their "free" version of Vista. *Gates responded in
the affirmative,* saying that after all the glitches and problems
beta testers had to put up with, they'd earned their copy.

So why is there still an expiration date? Bill wasn't LYING, was he?

Depending upon whether or not they filed any bug reports and participated,
beta testers were offered a free version of Vista at the close of the beta.
 
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Julian

tom_m said:
Did anyone else happen to see Gates' appearance on The Daily Show? Jon
Stewart asked Bill, rather incredulously, whether beta testers would get
to
keep using their "free" version of Vista. *Gates responded in the
affirmative,* saying that after all the glitches and problems beta testers
had to put up with, they'd earned their copy.

So why is there still an expiration date? Bill wasn't LYING, was he?

He's not the boss anymore.
 
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Rick Rogers

The beta versions were and are time-bombed and will expire. The free version
of the final release given to beta testers who filed bug reports is not, and
its license does not expire.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
 
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MICHAEL

* Julian:
He's not the boss anymore.

Bill Gates may not micro-manage day to day operations,
but he's still *the* boss. As Chairman and Microsoft's
largest single shareholder, he could fire anyone he wanted
to in the blink of an eye.


http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/billg/bio.mspx


http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/billg/speeches/2006/06-15transition.mspx
Bill Gates:
<quote>
Now, as the shareholder, personal shareholder, I see myself always being the largest
shareholder of Microsoft.
</quote>


I like this one, and it does make some sense. For all the mega billions
in profit that Microsoft makes, its stock price just doesn't want to go up-
and has been stuck in the same trading range for years.

http://www.peridotcapitalist.com/2006/06/note-to-microsoft-fire-steve-ballmer_12.html

Note to Microsoft: Fire Steve Ballmer

It made perfect sense for Bill Gates to be replaced as CEO of Microsoft (MSFT), and renamed
Chief Software Architect. Gates is a technology guy, not a traditional business executive. When
you surpass General Electric (GE) as the most valuable U.S. company, as Microsoft did back in
the technology stock hey day, you should have people focusing on their core competencies. For
Gates, that was software.

In stepped Steve Ballmer to take over as CEO. How is he doing? Horribly, if you ask me. Now I
don't own Microsoft stock (thank goodness), but if I did I would be infuriated. The shares have
done nothing in 8 years. They trade in the low 20's, same level they were in 1998. Any investor
will tell you that shareholders can share in the success of a public company in two ways,
through share price appreciation, or through the return of capital.

For some reason, however, Ballmer does not particularly like either one of these forms of
building shareholder wealth. Microsoft has nearly $35 billion in the bank and another $10
billion or so in investments just sitting on their balance sheet collecting dust. It's like he
doesn't care about the shareholders one bit, despite the fact that they own the company and he
works for them.

And that is why I think he should be fired. That doesn't mean he needs to leave Redmond
entirely. Rather, orchestrate a similar migration to the one Gates embarked on several years
ago. Ballmer's core competency clearly isn't working for the shareholders as CEO, so he should
be working for someone else, his successor.

Not only has Ballmer been completely unfriendly to shareholders since he took over, he doesn't
seem to care that they are upset with Microsoft's huge cash balance. When asked about the issue
Ballmer told investors and analysts "It is likely I will continue to have to discuss with you
for many years why we have as much cash as we do."

That quote says two things. One, we will continue to treat shareholders like crap. And two, he
obviously thinks that it is a chore to "have to" have these discussions, proof that has no idea
who he is working for or what his objectives should be.

Ballmer will likely try to make the case that they need all of that cash to invest heavily in
R&D. Anyone who has paid attention to Microsoft in recent years knows that they are not doing
much innovating at all compared with their competitors. The majority of their income still
comes from Windows and Office. Their other ventures, like XBox for example, are losing money.

Most of what is going on in Redmond seems to lack strategic sense. Why are they in the video
game business anyway? Why do they own billions in Comcast stock? Why do they have a bank
account with $35 billion in it? It's no wonder Microsoft stock has done nothing for 8 years. If
shareholders ever want to make decent money on their MSFT stock, they are going to have to fire
Steve Ballmer.
 
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Max

First of all, I believe you are confusing 'official' Beta Tester with The
Customer Preview Program (which was open to everybody).
They are not the same.
 
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Robert Moir

tom_m said:
Did anyone else happen to see Gates' appearance on The Daily Show? Jon
Stewart asked Bill, rather incredulously, whether beta testers would get
to
keep using their "free" version of Vista. *Gates responded in the
affirmative,* saying that after all the glitches and problems beta testers
had to put up with, they'd earned their copy.

So why is there still an expiration date? Bill wasn't LYING, was he?

What expiration date? I beta tested Vista, got given a copy which I've
installed and I don't see an expiration date.

Perhaps you're confusing beta testers with people who joined the CPP. I
personally disagree with Microsoft's decision to give a free copy to beta
testers and not to anyone on the CPP (I know many of them worked a lot
harder than I did to test Vista), but at the end of the day Microsoft didn't
*promise* anyone anything for participating in either program.
 
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Guest

You mean all those crash reports the system sent off didn't count as bug
reports? If I'd been aware that more input from me was required, I certainly
would have provided it, especially for a "good" copy of Vista! Was this
requirement spelled out anywhere?
 
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Richard Urban

There was not any requirement to be a beta tester. But, it was decided after
the fact to give a complimentary copy to any beta tester who took the time
to manually type a bug report, tell what they were doing at the time it
happened, how it can be reproduced etc. and submit said bug report.

In other words, you had to put in a little effort to file said bug report.
These were the people who got Vista.

It was Microsoft's call as to whether to do this at all. They make the
rules.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
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Rick Rogers

Hi,

Crash reports are not bug reports. Much more information and time by the
user is spent in creating them. Bugs often have to have
recreatable/reproducable circumstances and additional follow up done as
well.

Beta testers were never promised anything for filing bug reports. It was
never even hinted at or insinuated that filing them would result in any
reward. They, like the CPP (Preview Program) members, were just given an
opportunity to monkey with the new operating system during development. The
decision to provide beta testers a free copy was made after the testing
ended, this was not extended to members of the preview program (which was
much broader in nature and required nothing of the participants).

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
 
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Robert Firth

I think we need to make clear the distinction between the technical beta and
the CPP. Chances are, if you don't know anything about this, you were in
the Customer Preview Program and wouldn't have gotten anything anyway. Only
members of the private technical beta group who filed at least one bug got a
free copy.

Robert Firth
http://www.winvistainfo.org
 
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Were you a member of the Technical Beta?
Or a participant in the customer Preview Program?
Both groups used Beta products however the CPP participants did not
have as many builds as the Tech Beta.

The two programs have different purposes and management.
The managers of the Tech Beta decided to give all their members who
submitted at least one bug, a free license for Vista Business or
Ultimate.

Are those exact quotes in the original post?
If not, it can be easy for something to be lost.
 
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NotMe

The people in the TECHNICAL BETA program were awarded a free copy of VISTA.
Those who participated in the public RC Preview program were not given a
free copy.
Those with publicly released Release Candidate (RC) copies are not really
Beta Testers and the RC copies will expire.
 
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Justin

As was already mentioned, REAL beta testers where given a free copy and I
got mine! Works great!
 
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Adam Albright

As was already mentioned, REAL beta testers where given a free copy and I
got mine! Works great!

Oh please... the only thing real about you is you ability to
constantly stick your mouth in your mouth confirming how little useful
information you actually know.
 
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Justin

Adam Albright said:
Oh please... the only thing real about you is you ability to
constantly stick your mouth in your mouth confirming how little useful
information you actually know.

It's ok adam. I love you anyway. You can't push me away this easily! I
will never give up on you!!!!
 

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