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Unknown said:
Your computer is not a United States version. It probably is Canadian.
Electrical specs vary from country to country.
The US computers do not have on/off switches on the back of the power
supplies.
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They do if they have half-way decent (as not bargain brand Chinese
crap) power supplies. I won't buy a computer that doesn't have a
separate switch directly on the power supply, and for the very reasons
under discussion in this thread: When working inside the computer case,
it's essential to have a reliable path to ground/earth. The plugged in
power cord is the surest means of achieving this.


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Good grief, I have never seen one. What brands of computers (if you know)
other than replacement supplies have
an on/off switch?
 
What brand of computer do you have?
Bruce Chambers said:
They do if they have half-way decent (as not bargain brand Chinese crap)
power supplies. I won't buy a computer that doesn't have a separate
switch directly on the power supply, and for the very reasons under
discussion in this thread: When working inside the computer case, it's
essential to have a reliable path to ground/earth. The plugged in power
cord is the surest means of achieving this.


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Russell

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My computers don't have brands and they use Antec power supplies and
cases.

If you buy a computer in a small specialized local computer shop, they
will build it themselves with parts you choose yourself and they usually
use good components like the ones on the Newegg page. If the customer
doesn't know enough and it's a good honest place, they will use quality
parts. They might be a little more expensive but I prefer those system
than HP, Acer, Dell, etc.

So, no I don't know any specific brand that has a power supply switch.

Sometimes those shop will put a logo of themselves on the tower but they
use parts that you can actually buy separately yourself and put them
together, it's not that hard, you usually only need a Phillips
screwdriver and some heatsink compound for the CPU.

For example, my Core2Quad was built by a local store, it has Antec power
supply and tower, Asus motherboard and video card, Intel processor,
Corsair memory and Western Digital hard drives.

The only branded computers I have ever bought, are laptops.



Good grief, I have never seen one. What brands of computers (if you
know) other than replacement supplies have
an on/off switch?
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We had HP and Dell workstations at work that all had on/off switches on the
PS. Both my Compaq SR1124NX and my SO's SR1320NX have the switch. I'm sure
there must be plenty more out there :-)
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Unknown said:
What brand of computer do you have?
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Custom-built; usually built by myself. I almost never purchase from
the OEMS. (However, my son's last HP Pavilion had a switch on the back
of the power supply.)


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killed a great many philosophers.
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Custom-built; usually built by myself. I almost never purchase from
the OEMS. (However, my son's last HP Pavilion had a switch on the back
of the power supply.)
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I have four desktops in this room right now--three are custom-built,
and the fourth (my wife's) is a Dell. All four have switches on the
back of the power supply.
 
I have four desktops in this room right now--three are custom-built,
and the fourth (my wife's) is a Dell. All four have switches on the
back of the power supply.
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Either you are a fibber or you have not bothered to buy your wife
a news system to replace her old Dell system because only VERY OLD
systems came with a switch; New ones DON'T. This applies to HP
systems as well.

The only way to control electricity is via on the wall On/Off
Switch. Are you talking about this sort of switch? If so then
you are definitely residing in a modern house because only modern
houses have electricity. People living in caves like that well
known terrorists {wanted dead or alive} hasn't seen a switch for
years!

I wonder how is your wife able to run the latest operating system
on her crap system? you are a very cold, calculated cruel
b@stard!

hth

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On 4/5/2010 6:39 PM On a whim, Ken Blake, MVP pounded out on the keyboard
I have four desktops in this room right now--three are custom-built,
and the fourth (my wife's) is a Dell. All four have switches on the
back of the power supply.
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Did you change the PS on the Dell? I have never seen one in the last
8-10 years with a switch on the PS.


Terry R.
 
Terry R. said:
On 4/5/2010 6:39 PM On a whim, Ken Blake, MVP pounded out on the keyboard


Did you change the PS on the Dell? I have never seen one in the last 8-10
years with a switch on the PS.


Terry R.
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If I was still working, I could send you pictures of 11 Dell workstations
(if they still have them all) that have the switch on the PS. I don't
remember the model number, but they are all high-end CAD stations about 5 or
6 years old.
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any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician."
Lt. Col. J.D. "Jeff" Cooper, USMC, Ret.
 
Simple common sense. Turn power off but leave line cord plugged in.
(Provides static discharge path)
Touch frame of computer before anything else (discharge static)
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Don't wriggle your body on a plastic chair while working.

Don't move or lift your feet. This would reduce your capacitance to
earth & increase your static voltage, Charge energy = 0.5CV**2, or
V := ((Charge * 2) * C)**0.5. C goes down, voltage goes up with a
constant charge.

Alan Lloyd
 
On 4/5/2010 6:39 PM On a whim, Ken Blake, MVP pounded out on the keyboard


Did you change the PS on the Dell?

No.


I have never seen one in the last
8-10 years with a switch on the PS.
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Well, back from Easter --- Thanks for all the comments.

This pc has been an extremely stable one until recently, when it started
freezing up and the only option was a hard shut down. It started doing this
once or more a day suddenly, but there was no problem with the clock time.

It was running an AMD Athlon 1700 cpu until I put in a 2nd hand 2100 a year
ago; there were no problems before then. I recently switched it back to the
1700.

I also vacuumed out the pc and reconnected everything.

After doing all that, I still had another freeze. So that's when I start
pulling my hair.

The freeze seems to happen especially when there is a big graphic workload.
During the last freeze up I got this:
"nv4_disp display driver has stopped working normally"

So, I removed the driver and downloaded and reinstalled (it is the same
latest version).

Hopefully that solved the problem.


Jack
 
Jack B said:
Well, back from Easter --- Thanks for all the comments.

This pc has been an extremely stable one until recently, when it started
freezing up and the only option was a hard shut down. It started doing
this
once or more a day suddenly, but there was no problem with the clock time.

It was running an AMD Athlon 1700 cpu until I put in a 2nd hand 2100 a
year
ago; there were no problems before then. I recently switched it back to
the
1700.

I also vacuumed out the pc and reconnected everything.

After doing all that, I still had another freeze. So that's when I start
pulling my hair.

The freeze seems to happen especially when there is a big graphic
workload.
During the last freeze up I got this:
"nv4_disp display driver has stopped working normally"

So, I removed the driver and downloaded and reinstalled (it is the same
latest version).

Hopefully that solved the problem.


Jack
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Which Nvidia card are you running, and how old is it? I've used Nvidias
forever it seems, and have had fan problems on a few of them. Make sure you
have no other cards near it if possible, and that the airflow around the fan
and heatsink isn't being blocked by ribbon cables, etc.
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"Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed
any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician."
Lt. Col. J.D. "Jeff" Cooper, USMC, Ret.
 
On 4/6/2010 9:39 AM On a whim, SC Tom pounded out on the keyboard
If I was still working, I could send you pictures of 11 Dell workstations
(if they still have them all) that have the switch on the PS. I don't
remember the model number, but they are all high-end CAD stations about 5 or
6 years old.
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I have seen hundreds of Dell's and never seen one with a power switch on
the PS. Of course I haven't seen every model, so you might be right.

But why does that stick out to you on a computer that would cause you to
be so sure? The only reason I know is I have replaced the PS on a lot
of them. Nothing more frustrating that having to find one without the
switch so it will mount properly.


Terry R.
 
Jack B said:
It's a GeForce MX 4000


Jack
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That's a pretty old card, for sure. Do you, by chance, have another PCI
video card you could substitute? Or you could get a new MX4000 from Newegg
for $40: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814139174 .
Either way, the onboard battery is not going to be the cause of the problem
you're seeing.
Another thing you might try is uninstalling the latest video driver and
installing the previous WHQL certified driver. Is this the one you have now
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_93.71_2.html ?
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any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician."
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Tom,

Yes, that's the driver I have now and the same one I've had since I've had
the MX4000 which I got in 2006 or 2007. It is the driver I removed and
reinstalled. It is the latest driver for that card. No, I don't have
another card to use.

Everything seems to be working now, but I haven't attempted to stress the
system yet. I'll probably do that tomorrow.


Jack



Jack B said:
It's a GeForce MX 4000


Jack
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That's a pretty old card, for sure. Do you, by chance, have another PCI
video card you could substitute? Or you could get a new MX4000 from Newegg
for $40: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814139174 .
Either way, the onboard battery is not going to be the cause of the problem
you're seeing.
Another thing you might try is uninstalling the latest video driver and
installing the previous WHQL certified driver. Is this the one you have now
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_93.71_2.html ?
--
SC Tom

"Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed
any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician."
Lt. Col. J.D. "Jeff" Cooper, USMC, Ret.
 
Terry R. said:
On 4/6/2010 9:39 AM On a whim, SC Tom pounded out on the keyboard



I have seen hundreds of Dell's and never seen one with a power switch on
the PS. Of course I haven't seen every model, so you might be right.

But why does that stick out to you on a computer that would cause you to
be so sure? The only reason I know is I have replaced the PS on a lot of
them. Nothing more frustrating that having to find one without the switch
so it will mount properly.


Terry R.
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I had to replace the MB on two of them, the PS on one, the graphics card on
two or three of them, and RAM on at least half of them, so I was in, out,
and around them a lot more than I should have been. I can remember on the
one with the bad PS that the one that came out had the switch, but the
(upgraded?) one they sent me as a replacement didn't. Just thought it
strange that it wasn't an identical replacement since that unit was less
than a year old at the time.
I wish I could remember the model number since I had an inordinate amount of
hardware go bad on such a small group of workstations, especially
considering the price we paid for them. Didn't exactly give me the warm and
fuzzies later on when I was told we were getting a single Dell server to
replace the two out-dated solid-as-a-rock HP's we were currently running.
The Dell server also had switches on the power supplies. I remember that
because I had to install the redundant one, and while sliding it into the
rack, I must have accidentally turned it off somehow. I slid it back out a
little, reached over it, and turned it back on.
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SC Tom

"Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed
any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician."
Lt. Col. J.D. "Jeff" Cooper, USMC, Ret.
 
Another thing to consider- I don't know where you are located, but it's
getting pretty warm and humid here in SC, not quite enough for the AC, but
enough for the ceiling fan to be left on all the time. Is the room where you
have the PC any warmer now than during the winter; got good circulation
around the PC? Just a thought.
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SC Tom

"Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed
any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician."
Lt. Col. J.D. "Jeff" Cooper, USMC, Ret.
 
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