Anti-Anti-Virus Software

[kurttrail]

Again, what about pc's that only one person uses? Intrusive AV
software should be installed only on PC's that are going to be
shared. Companies should sell personal PC's as well as public-used
PC's as a distinct category, and only the latter should be equipped
to a massive extent with AV software.

LOL! Any PC that is on the net without AV is a likely shared computer,
it is just the owner is unaware that it is being shared.

If you want a computer built to your specs, then deal with small local
OEMs, not multinational corporations, or build it yourself.

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[David H. Lipman]

From: "Jonathan Wolfson" <[email protected]>


| Don't you people understand? The whole virus phenomenon is a sham, is a
| way to get you to spend money on anti-virus software, which runs every
| 18 seconds reminding you to download new anti-virus software because
| even though you did not get a virus the last 47,820 times, you might
| get one now.
|
| -Jonathan Wolfson

That's plain bullsh!t and FUD !!

Did you not hear about the Mastercard, American Express, Vias and Discover card processing
house infection ?

A Credit Card processor for the above Credit Card organizations was infected with a virus
and was able to steal tens of thousands of credit card accounts and compramised as many as
40 Million total !

You know NOTHING about computer infectors. You don't how organized crime has created
malware to steal personal information. You don't know about zombied computers acting as
proxy spam agents. You don't know about Internet worms causing 100's of millions of Dollars
in damages on corporate networks.

If you care to discuss this topic further, I suggest going to...

alt.comp.virus

and/or

alt.comp.anti-virus

 

[Scott]

LOL! Show me how! But then again you don't seem the type to be able to
figure out how to do things.

Complaining about reminders that can be turned off! Why don't you learn
to use your software instead of complaining about things that are
totally avoidable?

Oh, by the way, my mother is a bitch, so calling be an SOB is hardly a
put down to me.

As far as I know, and I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, Norton
does not have a way to shut off it's constant reminders. Windows
update does and I know how to turn it off. My AV program reminds me at
boot up then leaves me to decide my course of action. As for your
mother, well that's a topic for another board.

 

[kurttrail]

As far as I know, and I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, Norton
does not have a way to shut off it's constant reminders.

Is someone forcing you to use Norton? Don't like the nags from the
software, UNINSTALL IT! This ain't a group about Norton/Symantec,
except that for the most part, most of the regulars here tell people on
a fairly regular basis to dump Norton.

Windows
update does and I know how to turn it off. My AV program reminds me at
boot up then leaves me to decide my course of action. As for your
mother, well that's a topic for another board.

She is an overweight senior citizen, and a bitch. I half-suspect that
my Dad gave up the ghost at my age, just so he could get some peace and
quiet.

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[Lou]

Nice troll, should hook a few.

Kerry

I give it a 3.5. Far better was "noise as a snore in memory when computer is in
idle" in mpsv recently, a 7.

 

[Scott]

Is someone forcing you to use Norton? Don't like the nags from the
software, UNINSTALL IT! This ain't a group about Norton/Symantec,
except that for the most part, most of the regulars here tell people on
a fairly regular basis to dump Norton.


She is an overweight senior citizen, and a bitch. I half-suspect that
my Dad gave up the ghost at my age, just so he could get some peace and
quiet.

Arrrrrggggggggh! Do you read before you post? I never said I used
Norton, the poster did. I was merely agreeing with his statement about
the nags. nuff said.

 

[Lil' Dave]

Sometimes, I daydream myself. Like the time I figured out that I've never
been in a car accident. So, why would I need a car with air bags or a seat
belt I wondered. Then, I wokeup.

Laptops, or PCs for that matter, if used in the old defintion of
"standalone" (no internet or LAN access), and you don't frequent trial,
shared, or otherwise given to you software, you may be okay without AV
loaded. Beware anything you load on your laptop though. Common sense goes
a long way.

Am not an idiot though. You never mentioned any kind of external access
from the laptop. You left that in left field for someone to guess
(trolling?), If so, the laptop needs an AV, period.

NAV doesn't bug the user every 20 seconds when the definitions are out of
date. Try again. Windows Security Center (XP SP2) may depending how its
setup, and what the user choosed to do when prompted. If this is too
difficult to figure out for you or this Mo fella, maybe you better leave the
AV installed in case the user fails an error in judgment when negotiating
some decision to install or insert some media on the laptop.

Have a nice day.

 

[kurttrail]

Arrrrrggggggggh!

LOL! Thanks for letting me know that I'm frustrating you! MISSION
ACCOMPLISHED!

Do you read before you post?

Yes. What? Am I supposed to take you and what you wrote seriously?

I never said I used
Norton, the poster did.

No it didn't. It said it was its friend's laptop. Please keep the
irrelevant portions of the Troll's post straight. LOL!

I was merely agreeing with his statement about
the nags. nuff said.

I saw that you said sh*t about another AV program. I was merely stating
the f&#kin' obvious to you and anyone else that wants to agree with it.

This whole thread is a totally OT troll, and I'm just playing in it to
torture ya'll that are taking it seriously and agree with the troll.

Please keep replying. I love f&#ckin' with ya'll.

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[Lou]

If you really feel this way, please go off line now and stay off because
soon you will be spreading viruses all over the web and being used to spam
us. You don't want protection? Fine, that's your right, but as I said, get
the hell off line, NOW!

AMEN.

 

[MoiMeme]

And :
- never connect to the web
- never read any mail
- never put in any drive any diskette / CD / suuport that you have not
cretade yourself
- never go WiFi

Any of these actions can get you a virus. Viruses do not alert you before
destroying.
If you get one chances are you loose data - if not backup : gone it is
forever and that can be dramatic ( professionally or emotionnally ( photos
for example)). Or it can transmit personal data or monitor your typed keys
and and and : no limit.

There are many antivirus softwares : on ewill surely work well for you and
not enough interfere with daily work. All are available as try-and-buy : so
no reason to not try.
Just do a backup before, so reverting will be fast and easy as well.

Phil

 

[NoNoBadDog!]

Me and my friend were trying to set up our laptop so that it could play
some mpeg file I made to memorialize someone. It had Windows Media
Player, so all was fine, and there were some issues regarding setting
it up to play in a digital projector. But every 20 seconds, an urgent
reminder kept appearing about how I need to update my Norton Antivirus
file. Every 20 seconds! Because of that, there was a chance that would
appear every 20 seconds during the presentation, so me and my friend
uninstalled the Norton Antivirus software. After all, my friend did not
purchase this or even download it for free- it came with the Compaq.
The only way to eliminate this problem is to get rid of the software.
Mo did not care, after all, he has never had a virus in his life. The
extent of his computer issues relate to spyware, spam, pop-ups, and an
undefragmented hard drive. Who the hell has ever had a virus anyway?
Anyone?

These evil companies like Norton and McAfee are far, far worse as
infectant programs and as time-wasting pieces of memory than I can
imagine any virus to be. Shame on them! They are far worse than any
virus that the media dreams up and invents.

Don't you people understand? The whole virus phenomenon is a sham, is a
way to get you to spend money on anti-virus software, which runs every
18 seconds reminding you to download new anti-virus software because
even though you did not get a virus the last 47,820 times, you might
get one now.

-Jonathan Wolfson

I want you to find a dictionary...any one will do. Okay, now I want you to
look up the word "Idiot". Find it? How cool...it's a picture of
you...right there in the dictionary...under the word Idiot! But wait...it
gets better! There are other pictures of you...under Loser, Stupid,
Ignorant,
Dolt...well you get the picture.

Your are a cretin.

You do not deserve to own a computer.

Bobby

 

[Ed Nuxters]

LOL! Thanks for letting me know that I'm frustrating you! MISSION
ACCOMPLISHED!


Yes. What? Am I supposed to take you and what you wrote seriously?


No it didn't. It said it was its friend's laptop. Please keep the
irrelevant portions of the Troll's post straight. LOL!


I saw that you said sh*t about another AV program. I was merely stating
the f&#kin' obvious to you and anyone else that wants to agree with it.

This whole thread is a totally OT troll, and I'm just playing in it to
torture ya'll that are taking it seriously and agree with the troll.

Please keep replying. I love f&#ckin' with ya'll.

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Maybe a local community college will offer you a scholarship for
trolling?

 

[Kerry Brown]

I give it a 3.5. Far better was "noise as a snore in memory when computer
is in
idle" in mpsv recently, a 7.

That one was pretty good. I'm still not sure if it was a language problem or
a troll. This is a busier group so this one will generate more traffic

Kerry

 

[kurttrail]

Maybe a local community college will offer you a scholarship for
trolling?

You should talk sexual predator! You are worse than the trolls in this
thread, namely the OP and its backers. I am one that is frustrating the
trolls. I believe in giving trolls attention, but not necessarily the
kind of attention they were seeking.

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[Ed Nuxters]

You should talk sexual predator! You are worse than the trolls in this
thread, namely the OP and its backers. I am one that is frustrating the
trolls. I believe in giving trolls attention, but not necessarily the
kind of attention they were seeking.

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Barry White. He makes the best makeout music known to man. Nothing
today can even begin tocompare. I think there is some sort of
intonation in his voice that drives chicks nuts.

 

[Lou]

That one was pretty good. I'm still not sure if it was a language problem or
a troll. This is a busier group so this one will generate more traffic

If Miss Tick gets involved, I'd give that a certainty. Without her, well, the
"I don't need a firewall" / "I don't need anti-virus" etc lamers are so common,
everything said here has been said so many times... ;-}

 

[_RR]

I give it a 3.5. Far better was "noise as a snore in memory when computer is in
idle" in mpsv recently, a 7.

It may have been a sincere post, or maybe not. I've certainly heard
similar sentiments before. I think there is a certain amount of
witch-doctor in the approach of certain 'AntiSpy' software
manufacturers. Less so among antivirus companies, but that still
fuels conspiracy theories.

The 'memory snore' is indeed a catchy subject line. Perhaps "Norton's
Nodoz" would work.

What is mpsv? I've recently found this group via google hits on some
problems I was trying to resolve (great group here!). Are there other
similar newsgroups?

 

[BBUNNY]

| Jonathan Wolfson wrote:
| > Again, what about pc's that only one person uses? Intrusive AV
| > software should be installed only on PC's that are going to be
| > shared. Companies should sell personal PC's as well as public-used
| > PC's as a distinct category, and only the latter should be equipped
| > to a massive extent with AV software.
| >
|
| LOL! Any PC that is on the net without AV is a likely shared
computer,
| it is just the owner is unaware that it is being shared.

I have a tendency towards a proper education on the use of a computer
than AV software. I do use an online scan every once in a while. I
have
never had a virus or spyware. _EDUCATION_ The OP did state that
the AV was calling home, many of them do.

| If you want a computer built to your specs, then deal with small local
| OEMs, not multinational corporations, or build it yourself.

The above is a very astute statement. Spend a few more bucks and save
tons of grief.

 

[Kerry Brown]

It may have been a sincere post, or maybe not. I've certainly heard
similar sentiments before. I think there is a certain amount of
witch-doctor in the approach of certain 'AntiSpy' software
manufacturers. Less so among antivirus companies, but that still
fuels conspiracy theories.

The 'memory snore' is indeed a catchy subject line. Perhaps "Norton's
Nodoz" would work.

What is mpsv? I've recently found this group via google hits on some
problems I was trying to resolve (great group here!). Are there other
similar newsgroups?

Set your news server to msnews.microsoft.com There are a plethora of groups
to choose from. It's quicker posting direct to the ms server rather your
isp's and waiting for it to propagate.

Kerry

 

[Lou]

It may have been a sincere post, or maybe not. I've certainly heard
similar sentiments before. I think there is a certain amount of
witch-doctor in the approach of certain 'AntiSpy' software
manufacturers. Less so among antivirus companies, but that still
fuels conspiracy theories.

The 'memory snore' is indeed a catchy subject line. Perhaps "Norton's
Nodoz" would work.

What is mpsv? I've recently found this group via google hits on some
problems I was trying to resolve (great group here!). Are there other
similar newsgroups?

MPSV is Microsoft public security virus - it's available on most news servers.

It may be a sincere post, but I doubt it. I sincerely hope nobody is as stupid
as the OP sounds. You absolutely should NOT connect to the internet without a
good layered security, including antivirus.

If your computer labours to run with protection like antivirus, antispyware, and
hardened software, your computer is either already serving software that you
don't know about (ie infected thru lack of security), or it's so feeble that
it's not worth using. With all of the protective software that I consider
necessary, my computer runs maybe 5 - 10% CPU use when idle, and maybe 25 - 30%
when in use, and half of THAT is NOT security software either - its not at all
strained.

Arguing that one should use a computer on the internet, without protection,
because the load of protective software is too onerous to one's computer is just
like someone wanting to disable the brakes on their car because the drag from
the brakes puts a stain on the engine. And as a legal user of the highway would
object to someone tooling down the highway with no brakes, any protected user of
the internet should object to anybody connecting to the internet without any
protection. What the OP does affects all of us.

If he's serious, he's the best case in favour of licensing internet usage, that
I have seen this year. His ISP should be contacted, and he should be
quarantined. He's a bot member in the making, and to not object to his assinine
attitude is irresponsible. If he's simply trolling, and some clueless and naive
person should take him seriously, that would be equally as unacceptable.