AGP card for games

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Michael C

If I was to buy a second hand AGP card that was pretty good say 2 years ago
what would I get. I want something cheap that will play games ok but doesn't
have tio play the latest. Or would something new be better if available?

Thanks,
Michael
 
M

meow2222

Michael said:
If I was to buy a second hand AGP card that was pretty good say 2 years ago
what would I get.

Sure would be easy to answer that one
I want something cheap that will play games ok but doesn't
have tio play the latest. Or would something new be better if available?

What do you think?
 
K

kony

If I was to buy a second hand AGP card that was pretty good say 2 years ago
what would I get. I want something cheap that will play games ok but doesn't
have tio play the latest. Or would something new be better if available?


Depends on the budget, and of course at some point the
overall performance of the rest of the system. For example,
buying a Geforce 7800GS (newer than 2 years old) would be
overkill on a P4 2.4 GHz or any system with less than 1GB
main memory.

Older games can get by better with older cards, if you
aren't looking forward you might get reasonable performance
out of an ATI X800 for around $100 (pricing depends on
location, and time spent looking for deals... it also
depends on when you buy, this aging tech sells out at the
lowest priced sellers eventually never to return, only the
higher priced sellers who couldn't sell as many (due to the
higher price) will have parts after a certain point - until
it's so old it's considered surplus and games have become
too demanding).

Another option around $100 is a Geforce 6800 (not the
crippled XT/etc versions unless priced accordingly as
necessary, or Radeon X1600 (Pro, if price is right), Geforce
6600GT, maybe Radeon 9800 Pro (though going back this far, a
greater reduction in performance than the reduction in
price, usually).

Going above $100, Geforce 7600GS (around $130 online),
Radeon X1650 Pro, 7600GT, 7800GS, etc. Unless your machine
was one of the last AGP based platforms or you'd upgraded
the CPU, it "might" make as much sense to replace the
motherboard and CPU (and memory if necessary) as to spend
over $130 on a video card... as newer PCI Express
equivalents of more modern cards tend to cost less than
their AGP counterparts, and are sometimes clocked higher too
for more performance per model name... offsetting the long
term cost of replacing mainboard and CPU, etc.

So we really need more info about what hardware you have,
what games you'd play, how important to play (what type of)
future games, how long you'd use it till moving on to PCI
Express platform, the budget, anything else that comes to
mind.

The generic answer might be that the best bang for buck
playing now aging games is Radeon X800XT, X850, or X800GTO
(least power/heat of the 3... no matter what you chose the
system cooling subsystem and PSU capabilities may need
considered and possibly upgraded as well). IIRC, the least
power hungry of the semi-modern alternatives would be a
7600GS but as with the other cards, beware of cards named
same or very similarly but with differently clocked
components. On 7600GS in particular you might find some
with mere 533MHz memory which are not so desirable as with
800MHz or higher memory... and often the price differences
are minor or nonexistent.

Also seek benchmarks of your target games, places like
http://www.tomshardware.com has VGA benchmark tables from
older cards which can be compared, just keep in mind that
the newer the benchmark / game, the more likely the older
cards will seem slow due to lesser support of newer
features, but may regain good framerates if game eyecandy is
turned down (or on other/older games which didn't have
demands as high).

No easy answer really, and buying a "second hand card" makes
it more difficult as pricing could vary wildly on these.
Some people will look for used cards but I usually try to
find discounts on new (even if aging tech) cards instead...
especially if you can't be confident the prior owner didn't
overclock it excessively, subject it to high temps
overclocked or not, or even more minor things like that the
fan is now worn out... saving $20 only to need buy an
aftermarket fan or heatsink assembly isn't much better than
new in some cases.
 
J

jaster

If I was to buy a second hand AGP card that was pretty good say 2 years
ago what would I get. I want something cheap that will play games ok but
doesn't have tio play the latest. Or would something new be better if
available?

Thanks,
Michael

It depends on the games you want to play.

For FPS and most sports titles what about a $200 PS/2 instead? You could
rent games from BB or Netflix? A PS/2 eliminates the AGP vs PCI-E, AMD vs
Intel cpu, memory and monitor upgrade questions? And your current AGP
would work for another 5 yrs easy unless you upgrade to Vista for $160.

Wadu ya think?
 
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Jon Danniken

Michael C said:
If I was to buy a second hand AGP card that was pretty good say 2 years
ago what would I get. I want something cheap that will play games ok but
doesn't have tio play the latest. Or would something new be better if
available?

What game do you want to play with what card?

Jon
 
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Michael C

Jon Danniken said:
What game do you want to play with what card?

Thanks for all the replies. Sorry I didn't give full information, I've got a
P4 2.4 with 768mb ram at 266mhz. I'm happy to make that 1gb if anyone thinks
it will make a difference as I just sold 512 out of it and stuck a 256 in
there to replace it. I'm playing only car racing sims and have the logitech
g25 steering wheel. I've got GTR2 and Richard Burns Rally although RBR won't
run on my machine at the moment (I presume due to vga card). My budget is
around $150AU ($120 US I think)

Jaster, the ps2 is an option, as you said it would solve a lot of problems
and be cheaper and simpler and it does work with my wheel apparently. The
only problem I can see is that I presume it won't support my monitor which
only has vga or dvi input and is widescreen with an odd ratio of 16:10. Does
playstation have a realistic racing sim? Does it do 5.1 sound?

Thanks again for all the replies.

Michael
 
V

Vanguard

Michael C said:
If I was to buy a second hand AGP card that was pretty good say 2
years ago what would I get. I want something cheap that will play
games ok but doesn't have tio play the latest. Or would something new
be better if available?

Thanks,
Michael


Define "cheap". Only you, so far, know your price range.
 
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jaster

Thanks for all the replies. Sorry I didn't give full information, I've
got a P4 2.4 with 768mb ram at 266mhz. I'm happy to make that 1gb if
anyone thinks it will make a difference as I just sold 512 out of it and
stuck a 256 in there to replace it. I'm playing only car racing sims and
have the logitech g25 steering wheel. I've got GTR2 and Richard Burns
Rally although RBR won't run on my machine at the moment (I presume due
to vga card). My budget is around $150AU ($120 US I think)

Jaster, the ps2 is an option, as you said it would solve a lot of
problems and be cheaper and simpler and it does work with my wheel
apparently. The only problem I can see is that I presume it won't
support my monitor which only has vga or dvi input and is widescreen
with an odd ratio of 16:10. Does playstation have a realistic racing
sim? Does it do 5.1 sound?

Thanks again for all the replies.

Michael

Sorry. I don't know anything about PS/2 except for wireless controllers,
play dvds (?) and they work with most TVs.

Unless my current card fails, I'm thinking PS/2 instead of new vga next
upgrade. Two cycles of upgrades for memory and vga add up to console. A
new mb, cpu and SLI PCI-E vga cost more than a PS/3. If you've got a HDTV
then the extra pesos for an XBOX or WiFi may be worth it. And many new
FPS and sport games are available for console before PCs. Can you play
COD3 on the PC yet? No sw/hw upgrades necessary for surfing, email,
spreadsheets and iTunes right?

RTS games and simulators are still for the PCs but for other
games consoles are looking good.
 
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Michael C

jaster said:
Sorry. I don't know anything about PS/2 except for wireless controllers,
play dvds (?) and they work with most TVs.

Unless my current card fails, I'm thinking PS/2 instead of new vga next
upgrade. Two cycles of upgrades for memory and vga add up to console. A
new mb, cpu and SLI PCI-E vga cost more than a PS/3. If you've got a HDTV
then the extra pesos for an XBOX or WiFi may be worth it. And many new
FPS and sport games are available for console before PCs. Can you play
COD3 on the PC yet? No sw/hw upgrades necessary for surfing, email,
spreadsheets and iTunes right?

Xbox would be ok as it has vga output nand supports widescreen and 5.1
sounds. Unfortunately it doesn't support the logitech wheel that I have
although there a model that does.
RTS games and simulators are still for the PCs but for other
games consoles are looking good.

I'm only interested in simulators :)
 
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jaster

Xbox would be ok as it has vga output nand supports widescreen and 5.1
sounds. Unfortunately it doesn't support the logitech wheel that I have
although there a model that does.


I'm only interested in simulators :)

I'm sure there's tons of racing simulators and a few flight games (Crimson
Skies?) but not the kind you'd add scenery and equipment like MS Train or
Flight Simulators.
 
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Michael C

kony said:
Going above $100, Geforce 7600GS (around $130 online),
Radeon X1650 Pro, 7600GT, 7800GS, etc. Unless your machine

I ended up getting the 7600GS for $185 AU. The x1650 pro was apparently
faster and a fair bit cheaper but they didn't have it in AGP (assuming it's
even made in AGP). The 7600 runs GTR quite well at 1680x1050 which is the
native res for the monitor. It also solved my other problem that I posted
recently that the previous card wouldn't run that res via DVI.

Thanks for all the replies.
 
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Vanguard

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I think I might go for the 7600GS which is $185 AU.

Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NVIDIA_GPU. They give
some idea of the differences between the models. 6800GS has a higher
clock rate than the 6800GT but the 6800GT has 16 pipelines versus 12 for
the 6800GS. I see used 6800 Ultra selling for your max price, or
cheaper, at eBay. Just make sure to stick to a pre-determined max price
and be sure to check shipping costs since some sellers want to rake you
by hiding a large markup there. Personally I don't see spend a wad of
cash on a 6800 when for a little more you can get a 7600, and then for a
little more get a 7800. The better a card you get the less likely
you'll feel confined to just playing older games that don't surpass your
card's abilities.
 

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