Text Editor pages - linking to the PL site

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John Fitzsimons

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 22:42:18 +0100, "Michael"

Never. I usually just forget the software if they only offer simtel links
for dl. Simtel show a long list of mirrors which never work.

I have found that some mirrors sometimes do not work. Usually however
at least one of them does.
I bypass
proxomitron and turn off my fw but still simtel is useless even for straight
dl through ie let alone even considering a dl manager. I think they probably
substitute basic practicality for useless complexity. If any one has any
other recommendations for editors would be much appreciated.

I leave Proxo and my hosts file on. But then I usually turn off java
and/or java script. You might like to consider the latter yourself. To
see if it makes any difference.

Regards, John.

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REMbranded

If that's a problem you could try Metapad (93 kb) or NoteXPad (48 kb).
They both offer the choice between single or double click to launch an
url.
Metapad: http://liquidninja.com/metapad/
NoteXPad: http://www.pediy.com/temp/NoteXPad/NoteXPad.htm (Chinese, but
it shouldn't be too hard to find the download link)

I stocked a copy of NoreXPad, because it is a bit tricky to get from
the Chinese site.

http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/notexpad_en.exe 261,710 bytes
 
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REMbranded

AFAIK REMbranded is still deciding what to show where. The draft page I
created is just a starting point . . .

I certainly like the page and I really like the script that Lars has
provided.

I'm wondering if the Excel generated pages are necessary. It is rather
difficult to follow even with colored lines and a program list at the
beginning, middle and end. I tried "economizing" the headings and they
seem to be less than crystal clear to the casual browser as to exactly
what each means and the pages are too wide still.

For anyone who has a few minutes and would like to express a view
about the best way to display the results:

http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/editor2.htm (excel)

http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/test.php (Lars php)

http://www.pricelessware.org/2003/TextEditors.htm (Susan's page)

My thoughts are that after using Lars' page to sort out a few programs
of interest going to Susan's page will provide concise information
about each program in a single and neat screen.

Thoughts?
 
B

burnr

For anyone who has a few minutes and would like to express a view
about the best way to display the results:

http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/editor2.htm (excel)

http://www.woundedmoon.org/text/test.php (Lars php)

http://www.pricelessware.org/2003/TextEditors.htm (Susan's page)

My thoughts are that after using Lars' page to sort out a few programs
of interest going to Susan's page will provide concise information
about each program in a single and neat screen.

Thoughts?

I like having the ability to sort on what attribute(s) is important to me
using the Lars php page. Very kewl! I agree that once a user has sorted
out their preferences, having a page with with greater detail of
description is icing on the cake. btw...excellent work doing all of this
for PLware :) A lot of effort and time on your part is evident.
 
M

Michael

My said:
Ok, but the other one is a single click URL, and only nearly
twice as large, at 82KBs. :)

Sure I can't tempt ya? ;)

I have been tempted but my MetaPad, its just a touch larger than 2xEditor
and very sexy for the extra with not a whiff of simtel about it. On the
subject of tempting have you tried EdXOR which is my default editor and a
very stupendous 28 KB and packed with small wonders.

http://freezip.cjb.net/freeware/
 
M

Michael

I have found that some mirrors sometimes do not work. Usually however
at least one of them does.
I leave Proxo and my hosts file on. But then I usually turn off java
and/or java script. You might like to consider the latter yourself. To
see if it makes any difference.

Thanks John but I only have java disabled via prox and I have tried totally
bypassing it at simtel with no real luck. I don't use a host file as I have
prox set to pretty much cover this and I have the IE-SPYAD zone set. Having
said that simtel usually presents around 15 mirrors and I rarely try them
all. After sitting for 10 minutes waiting for a random 5 to send me a 55 KB
file I usually give up.
 
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REMbranded

I like having the ability to sort on what attribute(s) is important to me
using the Lars php page. Very kewl! I agree that once a user has sorted
out their preferences, having a page with with greater detail of
description is icing on the cake. btw...excellent work doing all of this
for PLware :) A lot of effort and time on your part is evident.

Thanks for the feedback. I'll see if I can hypherlink the programs in
Lars' page both for download and one to Susan's page.
 
M

My Name

I have been tempted but my MetaPad, its just a touch larger
than 2xEditor and very sexy for the extra with not a whiff
of simtel about it. On the subject of tempting have you
tried EdXOR which is my default editor and a very
stupendous 28 KB and packed with small wonders.

http://freezip.cjb.net/freeware/

Why yes, I have. Not sure about MetaPad though.
Oh great, now I gotta decide between regular, or light.
Lessee where'd I put that coin. Heads, regular. Tails, light. :)
 
B

Bob Adkins

Thanks Bob but Win32Pad (ref post by Wim) has it beat at just 43.5 Kb with
no install and EdXOR at 28 Kb no install and quite remarkable functionality
is in a class of its own.

I like WIn32Pad since it was fixed. It's a bit scant on options for my
taste.

Edxor is a strange bird. It rarely installs properly, it runs on top of
richedit, and like all richedit editors, it has problems with clickable
URL's. Edxor has no clickable links at all.

MetaPad is also a 1 file executable. It has just the right options for me.
Sure, at 94KB, it's a bit bloated. It's very fast, however since the author
does not use EXE compression. It exits with the ESC key, and has alpha
blending. It also has a few scrap buffers, which are handy.

Bob
 
M

Michael

My said:
Why yes, I have. Not sure about MetaPad though.
Oh great, now I gotta decide between regular, or light.
Lessee where'd I put that coin. Heads, regular. Tails, light. :)

Light has a file size limit on w98 - stay away from the dark side now.
 
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Michael

Edxor is a strange bird. It rarely installs properly, it runs on top
of richedit, and like all richedit editors, it has problems with
clickable URL's. Edxor has no clickable links at all.

EdXOR is an odd one but that has an appeal. It has the toolbar on the same
line as the menu bar which is rare but saves space and should be used by
more applications. Admittedly the toolbar is crude looking but so are we all
in a certain light. I like it. It has bookmarks and an application launcher,
a clipfile and clipboard capture. Has end and start of file Dn and Up
buttons and can track back through the recent list. It shows disk use and
has a process viewer, it can compare files and generate whole file or
selection Sha1 checksums. Can reset file times and QCypher or Rc4 encrypt
whole files or selected text with more encryption methods available for
selected text only including Rot 13 or reversibly invert or shuffle word
order, strip non ASCII characters and trim spaces. Has all the more usual
text editor functionality, is 28 KB with no install and without touching the
registry. Always been perfectly stable with me (w98). It's a keeper.
 
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Michael

Oh, I see light, doesn't have the clickable URLs we were
discussing, so regular it is. Cheers!

The full detail from the faq is:

'Technically, the full version utilizes a RichEdit control whereas LE (Light
Edition) uses the older but speedier Edit control (as does metapad 1.x). LE
is somewhat quicker under NT when loading large files but it does not have
the following features:

no file size limit on Win9X
multiple undo/redo
show hyperlinks option
drag & drop text editing
insert/overwrite mode '
 
M

My Name

The full detail from the faq is:

'Technically, the full version utilizes a RichEdit control
whereas LE (Light Edition) uses the older but speedier Edit
control (as does metapad 1.x). LE is somewhat quicker under
NT when loading large files but it does not have the
following features:

no file size limit on Win9X
multiple undo/redo
show hyperlinks option
drag & drop text editing
insert/overwrite mode '

Yeah, I've both read it and tried it.
Overall, I think, I still still like win32pad better, for its
simplicity, conventionality, and lack of registry entries.
I can see using MetaPad for some of its peculiar capabilities.
I don't think it'll be my default though.
 
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John Fitzsimons

On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 07:11:54 GMT, (e-mail address removed) wrote:

I'm wondering if the Excel generated pages are necessary.

Only as a download. For those people who might like an "offline" way
to sort/lookat things. It should be, I would think, pretty much
identical in format to Lars' version.

Regards, John.

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BillR

Susan Bugher said:
IMO Pricelessware program pages should *not* have links to these pages.
Haven't we had this discussion before . . . ;)
In part, although that discussion was primarily in reference to 3rd
party reviews. Furthermore I thought it was left as to be decided
when we had relevant pages. BTW, does this mean you are also
suggesting that links to Buzzy's reviews also be removed?

I understood your original paragraph
"My personal preference is to list the Text Editor pages on
the INFO page ....
"The other options I see are to link the pages from the Links
page
or from the Members Sites page." - Susan Bugher
to be listing your preference and other options, but you left out the
best one (IMHO).
I disagree. IMO the pages will be most useful to ACF regulars - as an
aid in finding programs to meet their own needs and as an aid in finding
a suitable program to recommend in response to requests in ACF.
I don't really care either way; even if the primary users after the
first few months continue to be acf regulars, many visitors will not
be regulars. The more helpful we can make the entire site, the more
useful it will be to the community beyond acf regulars. The better
the information the more others are likely to link to the site. And
so on.

Linking from the subcategory to the expanded comparison would provide
a
clear(er) "link" to this information. Burying it in Info or Links
will mean that many (most?) visitors other than acf regulars will miss
it.

My experience watching and working with people browsing is that a
vague high level information link of this sort will not be followed if
highly relevant relevant information has already been found. (BTW,
this is also an argument for a search function.)

I know I visited the site many times without going to the Info and
Links pages. Even when I did, I probably just glanced at the
contents. When I came back to the site later, a few of the links
found there would have been useful, but were not with like kind
information (e.g., security links either on the security page or a
link to the security list links) and therefore were foregotten. ('Tis
true my memory is much the worse for wear, but still servicable --
except for names).
I'd be interested to hear other opinions on this.



I don't think any limits are being set. If other new pages are proposed
they will be decided upon in the newsgroup - just as we are doing now
with the text editor pages.

But as the first, it sets a precedent and therefore a future
presumption.
I'm not aware of any easy way to accomplish this. What do you know that
I don't. :)
The brute force approach would be two columns of cells, the left right
justified, the right left justified. The colon can go in either
column (or as still a third column) or be left out depending upon the
spacing and border lines (if any). Some editors also allow one to set
the decimalpoint symbol and align on it (I've forgotten the generic
name for a decimal point) even with non-numeric text.
AFAIK REMbranded is still deciding what to show where. The draft page I
created is just a starting point . . .
Always a good way to get feedback.
IMO the pages are complimentary. The comparision table is great but I
think it is also helpful to have an alphabetical list and separate
program descriptions to refer to.
As I said, "Unless we include...." And I agree: they are
complementary. For the web, I would prefer to see the spreadsheet with
column headers and 1 row, but that would not print very well.
Furthermore, if we add a number of new criteria, being able to scan
the entire result for a single product without scrolling would be
nice.

As always, thanks for soliciting input.

BillR
 
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BillR

FYI, I noticed that at least a couple of columns don't sort properly
(e.g., Search & Replace.

I hope you will soon be adding a brief explanation of some of the
columns mean in your copius remainging spare time.

Thanks for all the hard work.

BillR
 

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