Roll back to XP

[Terry]

On 3/29/2007 4:23 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard

Nope, I derive my comments based on personal experience and research. My
findings are the same as many others. It works on some and not on others.
For something that is supposed to be the greatest thing since sliced bread
and having been around for a long time I personally find that unacceptable.

You're really running in circles now. Let's see, Billy stated, "It
didnt crash on my computer or my customer's computers" and to you that
was a "narrow perspective". But when JUSTIN says, "I derive my comments
based on personal experience and research." OH, EXCUSE ME! That makes
all the difference in the world! I understand you now Justin.

Hold on jerky. Who said ALL? You quote me where I said ALL my machine WILL
run Vista. If you are going to exaggerate everything in a feeble attempt to
make your point then you'll be doing so alone.

Jerky? Are we resorting to name calling now? If you can't explain your
situation clearly, you can't expect readers to assume anything
different. Your own statements lend one to misinterpret what you're
describing.

They don't have to upgrade any machines to use Vista. Just have software
that is compatible and move forward. So what is this software they're using
that wont be Vista compatible "any time in the near future?"

I suggest YOU try to install Vista on a machine with 256-512 meg of RAM
and integrated graphics. Running XP they're barely usable. It clearly
isn't an option. And I never stated "software" that won't be Vista
compatible.

No one said they did. You seem rather confused. Mac Classic is OS9
(basically) incase you didn't know. You also can not use them both at the
same time. So for over a year when we got a new OSX machine it ran in
Classic mode (OS9) all the time. Completely and utterly pointless. It
would have been better to just run OS9 on it's own. Enter Virtual PC which
will run XP for you all while you get to run Vista. So, who exactly is
cold?

Well, not being a frequent Mac user and the first time I've reinstalled
OSX on a machine (never had to before), Classic is not a term I'm
familiar with, since any clients I have that use Mac's always state
"boot to OS9".

So, who is left out in the cold? MS users. Even Apple provides,
OSX/Classic to run old apps, VPC to run Windows apps on PPC's, and Boot
Camp on Intel's to run XP and now even Vista. Too bad MS can't learn
from the underdog.

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[Justin]

Justin, I'm not going to go around circles with your here, but a business
is also a consumer, so your comments were NOT specific to separating home
use and business use.

Sorry you couldn't figure it out. But it was laid out pretty clear.

And you're not even reading your own text. "Vista gives my business
more..." You are insinuating that Vista is already ON your business
machines.

Very good Terry! I AM RUNNING VISTA. I even explain WHY I am able to run
Vista on 5 machines as opposed to the rest of the company. Go back and
read.

Just be clear with your thoughts, okay?

My thoughts are crystal clear. You seem to only be able to remember one
post at a time. That's your shortcoming.

Uh... read what I said Justin, "I don't know what business you run, but
most can't sit around waiting until everyone plays catch-up with Vista."
This was in direct reference to your unclear comments regarding "Vista
gives my business more..." and then following up with "however our apps
and drivers are not ready for Vista, thus we’ll wait until everything is
supported." My statement was about installing Vista and waiting for the
apps and drivers to catch up. Understand?

Look Terry, no where in that post of yours did you mention INSTALLING then
waiting. I gave you no reason to think we have installed Vista and are then
waiting for drivers. That was your ASSumption. I will not correct myself
from your mistakes.

In your little attempt to one up my post above you note that I said Vista
gives us MORE yet we need to wait for drivers. If you can't understand what
that means, then you ASK. My comment still stands.

Lets look at your comment again:

"I don't know what business you run, but most can't sit around waiting until
everyone plays catch-up with Vista."

You mention SITTING. You NEVER mention INSTALLING. Since I never mentioned
installing then waiting then where the hell did you get this installing
notion? Pure fantasy!

So for you to claim that I need to be more clear? That is a joke.

Great. If you would have worded it that clearly earlier, this wouldn't
have been necessary.

Yes it would. Because that was only ONE of a few comments that you are very
confused about. So, you are wrong.

I read a lot. And I listen to businesses. And any top 10 reasons (I
doubt there's that many) won't influence any of the businesses I know of
to upgrade any time soon

Good for you and good for them. I don't really care. It can also be that
you are not capable of seeing how Vista can improves their business
processes. So you might actually be doing those businesses a disservice.
Or you could be doing exactly what they "need".

mostly because their machines won't benefit from it, nor do they care to
spend countless amounts of money trying to accommodate the new OS.

You are hung up on upgrading everything. You have not once addressed moving
forward with Vista. Why is it all or nothing with you? I question you
abilities based on that alone.

And I'm not trying to persuade anyone away from Vista. That clearly
doesn't need my input at all. But we don't need you getting on your
pedestal and claiming Vista as the "end all" either. Because it's far
from it.

You really are a fool. I never claimed Vista was "end all". You can take
your exaggerations and shove them where the sun doesn't shine.

I'll tell you what! I'll take "fool" back once you post PROOF (quotes from
me) where I claim I will upgrade EVERY MACHINE in my business and where I
claim Vista as the "end all".

If you can't do that then you are the fool I claim you are.

 

[Guest]

When one is smarter than other people, one's experiences count for more.
Just ask me all questions - as my observations are worth more than both of
yours. Because our memory is based on our understanding at the time. Only
rigorous thinkers, such as myself, have the ability to classify observations
and to have a eclectic toolkit of theories, hypotheses, and known facts to
apply observations.

I've seen Vista work on 1 machine (mine). Therefore, with some horrendous
margin for error, I can say Vista works on 100% of computers.

Please feel free to worship me.

 

[Justin]

In Australia Business are different to Consumers. Consumer protection does
not apply to businesses.

The same goes in the US. Not sure what country Terry is from.

 

[Jane C]

<g>

 

[Justin]

On 3/29/2007 4:23 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard


You're really running in circles now. Let's see, Billy stated, "It didnt
crash on my computer or my customer's computers" and to you that was a
"narrow perspective". But when JUSTIN says, "I derive my comments based
on personal experience and research." OH, EXCUSE ME! That makes all the
difference in the world! I understand you now Justin.

That's right. He basis his conclusions ONLY on what his hands have touched.
What part of this are you not getting? Having to walk you through
everything like a child is really getting old.

Jerky? Are we resorting to name calling now? If you can't explain your
situation clearly, you can't expect readers to assume anything different.
Your own statements lend one to misinterpret what you're describing.

Oh boo hoo.

I suggest YOU try to install Vista on a machine with 256-512 meg of RAM
and integrated graphics.

Why? ONCE AGAIN you just didn't get it. You don't need to upgrade all of
your computers at ONCE to Vista. You don’t even have to upgrade anything TO
Vista. You can do what is called MOVING FORWARD with Vista. I know you
don't understand what I'm saying but that's your problem. I can not make it
any simpler for you.

Running XP they're barely usable. It clearly isn't an option. And I never
stated "software" that won't be Vista compatible.

Yes you did. You lumped it all together:

"graphics and programs too old to update"

Now you take it back? Whatever. If that's the case then what's the problem
now? In no way have you justified your comment, "any time in the near
future". In fact you don't justify a lot.

Well, not being a frequent Mac user and the first time I've reinstalled
OSX on a machine (never had to before), Classic is not a term I'm familiar
with, since any clients I have that use Mac's always state "boot to OS9".

Thanks for clearing that up. You speak of things you are not familiar with
and that's important to know.

So, who is left out in the cold? MS users. Even Apple provides,
OSX/Classic to run old apps, VPC to run Windows apps on PPC's, and Boot
Camp on Intel's to run XP and now even Vista. Too bad MS can't learn from
the underdog.

You did not address my question at all. Vista has VPC so Vista users can
use XP. You have failed to prove how anyone is left out in the cold. Try
again.

 

[Adam Albright]

When one is smarter than other people, one's experiences count for more.
Just ask me all questions - as my observations are worth more than both of
yours. Because our memory is based on our understanding at the time. Only
rigorous thinkers, such as myself, have the ability to classify observations
and to have a eclectic toolkit of theories, hypotheses, and known facts to
apply observations.

I've seen Vista work on 1 machine (mine). Therefore, with some horrendous
margin for error, I can say Vista works on 100% of computers.

Please feel free to worship me.

Hey, just wondering, you related to Justin?

 

[Justin]

Funny!

When one is smarter than other people, one's experiences count for more.
Just ask me all questions - as my observations are worth more than both of
yours. Because our memory is based on our understanding at the time. Only
rigorous thinkers, such as myself, have the ability to classify
observations and to have a eclectic toolkit of theories, hypotheses, and
known facts to apply observations.

I've seen Vista work on 1 machine (mine). Therefore, with some horrendous
margin for error, I can say Vista works on 100% of computers.

Please feel free to worship me.

 

[Adam Albright]

Very good Terry! I AM RUNNING VISTA. I even explain WHY I am able to run
Vista on 5 machines as opposed to the rest of the company. Go back and
read.


My thoughts are crystal clear. You seem to only be able to remember one
post at a time. That's your shortcoming.

You're so full of crap, every time I read one of your self-serving
moronic posts I feel I need to get up and go wash my hands.

Look Terry, no where in that post of yours did you mention INSTALLING then
waiting. I gave you no reason to think we have installed Vista and are then
waiting for drivers. That was your ASSumption. I will not correct myself
from your mistakes.

Scroll up. You just got done saying you installed Vista on 5 machines.
Will you next try to cover your ass and say these 5 are all your home
machines?

In your little attempt to one up my post above you note that I said Vista
gives us MORE yet we need to wait for drivers. If you can't understand what
that means, then you ASK. My comment still stands.

Lets look at your comment again:

"I don't know what business you run, but most can't sit around waiting until
everyone plays catch-up with Vista."

Can you explain to us why you love to fake being so involved in some
mythical business you're suppose to work for yet there are days where
you are posting in Microsoft newsgroups from early morning well into

Good for you and good for them. I don't really care. It can also be that
you are not capable of seeing how Vista can improves their business
processes. So you might actually be doing those businesses a disservice.
Or you could be doing exactly what they "need".


You are hung up on upgrading everything. You have not once addressed moving
forward with Vista. Why is it all or nothing with you? I question you
abilities based on that alone.

ROTFLMAO! What a bullshit artist you try to be. I read ONE of your
posts about a month ago and that was all it took to know you're just
some goofy kid trying to fake being something your not.

You really are a fool. I never claimed Vista was "end all". You can take
your exaggerations and shove them where the sun doesn't shine.

As usual, sooner or later, the real Justin oozes out.

 

[Adam Albright]

Oh boo hoo.

Justin => http://crystal.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/crybaby.jpg

Why? ONCE AGAIN you just didn't get it. You don't need to upgrade all of
your computers at ONCE to Vista. You don’t even have to upgrade anything TO
Vista. You can do what is called MOVING FORWARD with Vista. I know you
don't understand what I'm saying but that's your problem. I can not make it
any simpler for you.

Justin the grand pontificator
http://www.fantascienza.com/magazine/imgbank/ARTICOLI/pontificator.jpg

 

[Terry]

On 3/29/2007 5:00 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard

Sorry you couldn't figure it out. But it was laid out pretty clear.


Very good Terry! I AM RUNNING VISTA. I even explain WHY I am able to run
Vista on 5 machines as opposed to the rest of the company. Go back and
read.


My thoughts are crystal clear. You seem to only be able to remember one
post at a time. That's your shortcoming.


Look Terry, no where in that post of yours did you mention INSTALLING then
waiting. I gave you no reason to think we have installed Vista and are then
waiting for drivers. That was your ASSumption. I will not correct myself
from your mistakes.

In your little attempt to one up my post above you note that I said Vista
gives us MORE yet we need to wait for drivers. If you can't understand what
that means, then you ASK. My comment still stands.

Lets look at your comment again:

"I don't know what business you run, but most can't sit around waiting until
everyone plays catch-up with Vista."

You mention SITTING. You NEVER mention INSTALLING. Since I never mentioned
installing then waiting then where the hell did you get this installing
notion? Pure fantasy!

So for you to claim that I need to be more clear? That is a joke.


Yes it would. Because that was only ONE of a few comments that you are very
confused about. So, you are wrong.


Good for you and good for them. I don't really care. It can also be that
you are not capable of seeing how Vista can improves their business
processes. So you might actually be doing those businesses a disservice.
Or you could be doing exactly what they "need".


You are hung up on upgrading everything. You have not once addressed moving
forward with Vista. Why is it all or nothing with you? I question you
abilities based on that alone.



You really are a fool. I never claimed Vista was "end all". You can take
your exaggerations and shove them where the sun doesn't shine.

I'll tell you what! I'll take "fool" back once you post PROOF (quotes from
me) where I claim I will upgrade EVERY MACHINE in my business and where I
claim Vista as the "end all".

If you can't do that then you are the fool I claim you are.

I believe Adam is right about you. You can't seem to see past your big head.

Listen little man, if you would like to discuss this in person, maybe we
could meet?

I love it when a punk talks big over a keyboard. PLONK!

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[Terry]

On 3/29/2007 5:19 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard

That's right. He basis his conclusions ONLY on what his hands have touched.
What part of this are you not getting? Having to walk you through
everything like a child is really getting old.

As have you empty headed man.

Oh boo hoo.

That's all the intelligence you can muster.

Why? ONCE AGAIN you just didn't get it. You don't need to upgrade all of
your computers at ONCE to Vista. You don’t even have to upgrade anything TO
Vista. You can do what is called MOVING FORWARD with Vista. I know you
don't understand what I'm saying but that's your problem. I can not make it
any simpler for you.


Yes you did. You lumped it all together:

"graphics and programs too old to update"

Now you take it back? Whatever. If that's the case then what's the problem
now? In no way have you justified your comment, "any time in the near
future". In fact you don't justify a lot.

Sorry Justin, I never stated it that way and I didn't lump it all
together. "the graphics and programs..." were a client of mine. The
company that isn't upgrading "any time in the near future" is the
company my wife works for. I'm over the way your brain interprets.

Thanks for clearing that up. You speak of things you are not familiar with
and that's important to know.

I'm confident in what I know so I'm not afraid to admit something I
don't know, much unlike yourself.

You did not address my question at all. Vista has VPC so Vista users can
use XP. You have failed to prove how anyone is left out in the cold. Try
again.

I'm in So. Ca. Care to meet?

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[Telstar]

On 3/29/2007 4:00 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard


Justin, I'm not going to go around circles with your here, but a business
is also a consumer,

Don't join a debate club. Yikes...IQ of 80

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

The majority of XP programs DO work in Vista.
There is a minority of poorly written XP programs that
will not work in Vista. When programmers use undocumented
shortcuts and sloppy coding techniques, should Microsoft be
blamed if it doesn't keep the same anomalies in Vista?

Gary VanderMolen

 

[TK]

Xp runs so good for people I know they don't see a need to upgrade.
I think people are getting tired of having to replace hardware/software/OS
every few years maybe. I know I am and Vista doesn't bring enough to the
plate
to make an upgrade worthwhile.

Having said that I do realize in another 2-3 years Vista may be truly ready
and maybe by
then Microsoft will realize it's overpriced.

 

[TK]

I completely disagree. If people think Vista is HUGE now then just
imagine it being fully XP compatible.

If MS were to kill XP with the release of Vista then your train of thought
would have a fighting chance. The simple fact remains, if Vista can't get
you what you need as an OS then you need to use XP (if in fact you need
Windows of course).

Vista gives me everything I need as a consumer thus I run Vista 100% of
the time.

Vista gives my business more then I have with XP however our apps and
drivers are not ready for Vista, thus we'll wait until everything is
supported. You'll notice it's up to the third parties to support Vista,
not the other way around.

And third parties can only support Vista properly if given all the
information
they need from MS in a timely manner.

Why is it no one talks about that?

 

[Rock]

Replace every few years? XP has been out for 6 years. That's one of the
longest intervals between OS releases.

 

[TK]

On 3/29/2007 3:15 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard


I paid attention and quoted you. Your comments were not distinct between
home and business use.


It is YOU who needs to slow down and understand more clearly. I didn't
state either. Show me one business you know that has implemented Vista
and is waiting for apps and drivers so they can use their systems.


Your comments aren't clear. You're telling me "I'm not installing Vista
at "work" " and then state, "Although, this time I have 5 users on Vista".
It's easy to see why your comments are misconstrued.

Yes Please tell me what so much more is. So much more problems?
So much more money down the drain? So much less freedom to use
the OS the way I want?

Windows XP "Where do you want to go today?"
Windows Vista "Where will we let you go today?"

 

[TK]

Sorry you couldn't figure it out. But it was laid out pretty clear.


Very good Terry! I AM RUNNING VISTA. I even explain WHY I am able to run
Vista on 5 machines as opposed to the rest of the company. Go back and
read.


My thoughts are crystal clear. You seem to only be able to remember one
post at a time. That's your shortcoming.


Look Terry, no where in that post of yours did you mention INSTALLING then
waiting. I gave you no reason to think we have installed Vista and are
then waiting for drivers. That was your ASSumption. I will not correct
myself from your mistakes.

In your little attempt to one up my post above you note that I said Vista
gives us MORE yet we need to wait for drivers. If you can't understand
what that means, then you ASK. My comment still stands.

There it is again, MORE, MORE what? You say it gives you more but don't
mention
a single thing. I know it runs slower* so maybe more time to get coffee or
go to the bathroom?

*slower than XP on equivalent hardware

I know same is true of every previous windows but the difference from 98-XP
and XP-Vista are not even comparable.

 

[TK]

I do not understand why Vista is huge. My OS fits on a cd and includes a
host of useful programs. No one would dare to put out a kernel that
didnt include support for more hardware and yet was not compatible with
all the apps. It only took 15 minutes to install. The os should support
the hardware and the apps, not the other way around. You admit that you
can not use Vista to the fullest, because you are missing driver support
and patches for your applications, if they will ever be patched, and you
wont be forced to buy upgraded versions of the same apps. Now,
admittedly my OS probably wont install on all hardware. I found a via
chipset with a k-2 cpu that did not like anything but windows 98. I
suspect that it will eventually die with 98 still tightly grasped to its
bosom, but that is the only one that I have found so far.

Vista is huge. No one understands why. I am sure the nanny ware doesnt
help. Just think, MOM on a DVD, checking to make sure that I dont watch
or do anything that I havent paid for (if even that works correctly,
which apparently it doesnt), checking to make sure that my Vista is
legit, not once, but over and over again, taking control of my hardware
to degrade performance. But it is my hardware. MOM loves you and only
wants what is best for you. My windows explorer windows crashes all the
time. It must be you. MOM would never do that. It must be one of those
terrible drivers...

Keep MOM, I will keep my freedom...thanks, but no thanks...

Preach on brother Billy