Roll back to XP

[Billy]

It didnt crash on my computer or my customer's computers, and that is all
that matters. Even if it did, I have the freedom to choose something
else. I didnt mention anything about MAC OS, so you must be dialing for
dollars.

 

[Justin]

I do not understand why Vista is huge. My OS fits on a cd and includes a
host of useful programs.

Why Windows is huge to begin with is a whole other topic. Point being, if
Vista were to be 100% XP compatible then it would be even larger.

The os should support
the hardware and the apps, not the other way around.

Nope. Wrong. MS is not responsible for writing drivers for all hardware.
As for apps, see above.

You admit that you
can not use Vista to the fullest, because you are missing driver support
and patches for your applications

Right, where I work I have over 300+ PCs and not all of them are Vista
ready. Your point? At home I have a machine that is Vista ready and runs
just fine.

if they will ever be patched, and you

Yes they will. Thanks.

wont be forced to buy upgraded versions of the same apps. Now,

Nope, I wont. Thanks.

 

[Terry]

On 3/29/2007 3:09 PM On a whim, Telstar pounded out on the keyboard

This is convoluted, indeed idiot, logic. Is OSX compatible with Mac
Classic?

Aside from getting a newsreader that knows how to strip sigs (try
Quotefix), we're not talking about other OS's here, nor does that small
percentage even matter. And BTW, is that why Classic is included with
OSX? Maybe MS could learn something here.

I'll take it your remarks are for Justin, not me.

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[Justin]

If you are referring to the one-disc Linux...it crashes on ten of 12
computers I run.

As for your other comments, they are plain stupid. OSX is fundamentally
not compatible with Mac Classic Os's

Very true!

At the time of OSX's released we had ~10 Macs. We had to run Mac Classic
for the longest time because MANY of our apps and DRIVERS would not work
with OSX. So now you have MS and Apple performing the exact same moves.
Who's in the wrong? No one.

 

[Justin]

Who insulted you? Are you referring to this:

I never think about my operating system.

It shows.

If you are then tuff. Because it does show. However do not skip the part
where I DID agree with you.

 

[Justin]

Aside from getting a newsreader that knows how to strip sigs (try
Quotefix), we're not talking about other OS's here, nor does that small
percentage even matter. And BTW, is that why Classic is included with OSX?
Maybe MS could learn something here.

You mean Virtual PC?

 

[Billy]

I just had to post again. I missed your stupid comment. I guess that
makes me stupid, if my comments are stupid. I hereby award you the MOM
Kids award. Congratulations.

 

[Justin]

It didnt crash on my computer or my customer's computers

It never got it to crash but it sure didn't work for squat on the many
machines I tried. It works on some but some isn't good enough.

and that is all that matters.

So your conclusions are based on a narrow perspective?

I didnt mention anything about MAC OS, so you must be dialing for
dollars.

You didn't have to. You are trying to tell us how MS should build their
software when Telstar very clearly showed you that Apple follows the same
path. So you are left to answer WHY MS should do anything outside of what
is clearly an industry standard model?

 

[Billy]

Maybe I should state this very simply. You do not need a huge OS to
remain compatible with your applications. You do not need a huge OS to
be compatible with most hardware. How do I know? I am using one.

 

[Justin]

Maybe I should state this very simply. You do not need a huge OS to
remain compatible with your applications. You do not need a huge OS to
be compatible with most hardware. How do I know? I am using one.

No one said you did.

It sounds like you are very happy with Linux. Good.

 

[Terry]

On 3/29/2007 3:15 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard

Try reading my post again. Pay attention to the distinction between
consumer and business.

I paid attention and quoted you. Your comments were not distinct
between home and business use.

Says who? Based on what? Are you trying to tell me that I can't afford to
continue using XP? Or are you trying to tell me I need Vista NOW and it
costs me extra money for each day I'm not using it?

It is YOU who needs to slow down and understand more clearly. I didn't
state either. Show me one business you know that has implemented Vista
and is waiting for apps and drivers so they can use their systems.

I'm not installing Vista at "work" for the same exact reason I didn't
install XP right away. Although, this time I have 5 users on Vista. Those
users do not require the use of our main accounting package.

Your comments aren't clear. You're telling me "I'm not installing Vista
at "work" " and then state, "Although, this time I have 5 users on
Vista". It's easy to see why your comments are misconstrued.

The UI by itself? Heck no. So it's a good thing Vista has much more to
offer then a new UI.

And what pray tell, is that "so much more" to a business user? Or to
most home users for that matter?

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[Billy]

Heaven forbid that they should do anything outside of what is clearly an
industry standard model. That would require ingenuity and independent
thought. They could no longer clone other people's work or buy them
out. They would actually have to be a little creative and sensitive to
the needs and wants of their customers. I have been able to install my
OS on everyone's computer that I have tried so far. Except for the VIA
chipset k-2. But I doubt that Vista would install on that computer.

 

[Justin]

On 3/29/2007 3:15 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard


I paid attention and quoted you. Your comments were not distinct between
home and business use.

Wow! Let me help you out then and walk you through it:

Consumer:
"Vista gives me everything I need as a consumer thus I run Vista 100% of the
time."

Business:
"Vista gives my business more then I have with XP however our apps and
drivers are not ready for Vista, thus we’ll wait until everything is
supported. You'll notice it's up to the third parties to support Vista, not
the other way around.

It is YOU who needs to slow down and understand more clearly. I didn't
state either. Show me one business you know that has implemented Vista
and is waiting for apps and drivers so they can use their systems.

Ah! You made no mention of INSTALLING VISTA THEN waiting. As I stated
we're simply waiting. Therefore your comment had nothing to do with my
statement.

Your comments aren't clear. You're telling me "I'm not installing Vista
at "work" " and then state, "Although, this time I have 5 users on Vista".
It's easy to see why your comments are misconstrued.

Correct. In that one case I was being general. So let me correct it for
you:

I'm not PERFORMING A MASS UPGRADE TO ALL USERS at "work" for the same exact
reason I didn't PERFORM A MASS UPGRADE TO ALL USERS to XP right away.
Although, this time I have 5 users on Vista. Those users do not require the
use of our main accounting package.

And what pray tell, is that "so much more" to a business user? Or to most
home users for that matter?

You have a lot of reading to do. I suggest you start with this NG and
search for top 10 or top 20 reasons to upgrade. Also, before you decide to
post telling everyone here that you don't need any of those new features,
good! Use something else.

 

[Justin]

Heaven forbid that they should do anything outside of what is clearly an
industry standard model.

If it works then it works! Do you see any 5 wheel cars?

That would require ingenuity and independent
thought.

You can still have that within the model.

They could no longer clone other people's work or buy them
out. They would actually have to be a little creative and sensitive to
the needs and wants of their customers.

You're funny! MS and Apple are doing just fine.

I have been able to install my
OS on everyone's computer that I have tried so far.

So?

 

[MICHAEL]

I have a Zune and it works just fine.

Justin, I thought that you said you didn't like the
Zune and just used a regular MP3 player for your
music. IIRC, we were having a discussion about DRM
and Zune's limitations.

From January 1, 2007:

<quote>
Ditto, my Sony MP3 player does just that and with no BS software in which
you are restricted to. Although that's been hacked on the Zune as well.
Either way both ipod and zune are a total waste of money for what they
actually do. But then again, people spend $200+ on jeans so go figure.
</quote>

That's you, correct?

Did you decide to waste your money?


-Michael

 

[Terry]

On 3/29/2007 3:33 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard

It never got it to crash but it sure didn't work for squat on the many
machines I tried. It works on some but some isn't good enough.

And your comment isn't narrow?

So your conclusions are based on a narrow perspective?

About the same as yours I believe. But that's right...you're telling
all of us that you have some 300+ workstations, all of which will
eventually be running Vista (no old hardware here!) and had 10 Macs also.

Funny, I haven't discussed the "V" word with any of my clients other
than telling them just about every machine will have to be upgraded or
replaced (just about every client's workstations have 512 or less RAM,
integrated graphics and programs too old to update). My wife works for
a company of over 80,000 employees and Vista is NOT an option for them
any time in the near future.

You didn't have to. You are trying to tell us how MS should build their
software when Telstar very clearly showed you that Apple follows the same
path. So you are left to answer WHY MS should do anything outside of what
is clearly an industry standard model?

Oh, so Apple is setting the standards now? Not so. From a reinstall I
performed last week on an eMac,Classic comes with OSX (and I believe
even OS9 but I didn't install it). So users aren't left out in the cold
as MS has done here.

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[Justin]

Justin, I thought that you said you didn't like the
Zune and just used a regular MP3 player for your
music. IIRC, we were having a discussion about DRM
and Zune's limitations.

Yes, and? My Zune works fine. Who said I use it for MP3?

I long for the day someone creates their own driver so we can bypass the
software and I no longer have to trick the Zune into file storage.

Did you decide to waste your money?

Who said I bought it?

 

[Justin]

On 3/29/2007 3:33 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard


And your comment isn't narrow?

Nope, I derive my comments based on personal experience and research. My
findings are the same as many others. It works on some and not on others.
For something that is supposed to be the greatest thing since sliced bread
and having been around for a long time I personally find that unacceptable.

About the same as yours I believe. But that's right...you're telling all
of us that you have some 300+ workstations, all of which will eventually
be running Vista

Hold on jerky. Who said ALL? You quote me where I said ALL my machine WILL
run Vista. If you are going to exaggerate everything in a feeble attempt to
make your point then you'll be doing so alone.

Funny, I haven't discussed the "V" word with any of my clients other than
telling them just about every machine will have to be upgraded or replaced
(just about every client's workstations have 512 or less RAM, integrated
graphics and programs too old to update). My wife works for a company of
over 80,000 employees and Vista is NOT an option for them any time in the
near future.

They don't have to upgrade any machines to use Vista. Just have software
that is compatible and move forward. So what is this software they're using
that wont be Vista compatible "any time in the near future?"

Oh, so Apple is setting the standards now? Not so. From a reinstall I
performed last week on an eMac,Classic comes with OSX (and I believe even
OS9 but I didn't install it). So users aren't left out in the cold as MS
has done here.

No one said they did. You seem rather confused. Mac Classic is OS9
(basically) incase you didn't know. You also can not use them both at the
same time. So for over a year when we got a new OSX machine it ran in
Classic mode (OS9) all the time. Completely and utterly pointless. It
would have been better to just run OS9 on it's own. Enter Virtual PC which
will run XP for you all while you get to run Vista. So, who exactly is
cold?

 

[Terry]

On 3/29/2007 4:00 PM On a whim, Justin pounded out on the keyboard

Wow! Let me help you out then and walk you through it:

Consumer:
"Vista gives me everything I need as a consumer thus I run Vista 100% of the
time."

Business:
"Vista gives my business more then I have with XP however our apps and
drivers are not ready for Vista, thus we’ll wait until everything is
supported. You'll notice it's up to the third parties to support Vista, not
the other way around.

Justin, I'm not going to go around circles with your here, but a
business is also a consumer, so your comments were NOT specific to
separating home use and business use. And you're not even reading your
own text. "Vista gives my business more..." You are insinuating that
Vista is already ON your business machines. Just be clear with your
thoughts, okay?

Ah! You made no mention of INSTALLING VISTA THEN waiting. As I stated
we're simply waiting. Therefore your comment had nothing to do with my
statement.

Uh... read what I said Justin, "I don't know what business you run, but
most can't sit around waiting until everyone plays catch-up with Vista."
This was in direct reference to your unclear comments regarding
"Vista gives my business more..." and then following up with "however
our apps and drivers are not ready for Vista, thus we’ll wait until
everything is supported." My statement was about installing Vista and
waiting for the apps and drivers to catch up. Understand?

Correct. In that one case I was being general. So let me correct it for
you:

I'm not PERFORMING A MASS UPGRADE TO ALL USERS at "work" for the same exact
reason I didn't PERFORM A MASS UPGRADE TO ALL USERS to XP right away.
Although, this time I have 5 users on Vista. Those users do not require the
use of our main accounting package.

Great. If you would have worded it that clearly earlier, this wouldn't
have been necessary.

You have a lot of reading to do. I suggest you start with this NG and
search for top 10 or top 20 reasons to upgrade. Also, before you decide to
post telling everyone here that you don't need any of those new features,
good! Use something else.

I read a lot. And I listen to businesses. And any top 10 reasons (I
doubt there's that many) won't influence any of the businesses I know of
to upgrade any time soon, mostly because their machines won't benefit
from it, nor do they care to spend countless amounts of money trying to
accommodate the new OS.

And I'm not trying to persuade anyone away from Vista. That clearly
doesn't need my input at all. But we don't need you getting on your
pedestal and claiming Vista as the "end all" either. Because it's far
from it.

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