Please avoid Vista like the plague

[ChrisM]

In message (e-mail address removed),
Michael Palumbo <[email protected]> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:


:: Pointless . . . that would be like going into a Lexus forum and
:: telling everyone not to buy a new model Lexus because the old one
:: works just fine, and the new one has some bugs because it's a new
:: design. Yes, you would be correct, but you know what? People in a
:: Lexus forum/newsgroup DON'T CARE for that advice, they are there
:: because they have, or want, a Lexus and want to talk to others about
:: it, and maybe ask for some help if they need it, or give help if
:: someone asks and they know the answer . . .
::
:: Okay, I'm done feeding the Trolls for the day . . .
:: Mic


If I was thinking of buying a Lexus, I might go onto the Lexus forum, and
ask people for some advice and opinions. If someone told me about some
problems with the new model I was interested in, I would then go and
investigate what they had said. If it turned out that due to these problems,
I decided I would be better off buying a different model, or even brand of
car then I would be grateful to that person for drawing my attention to
those issues...

 

[Alias]

Prudent for you, maybe not so for others. That is why people were given
a mind to think with. It enables them to make their OWN choice after
studying the options.

And one of the options is to wait until the drivers are ready and the
bugs are ironed out.

I don't think that your incessant downing of Vista (seems kind self
serving on your part, to those who read your comments) is going to
change many peoples minds about Vista.

Fortunately, it matters little what you think.

Remember, the vast majority of
the people who come here "ALREADY HAVE IT".

Sure, you took a poll? No, you're making it up as you go along once again.

So, you are just blowing in the wind, no matter what you may say. People
are not going to scrap what they have done and return the operating
system just because Ali ASS has told them to.

My posts are directed at the people who are prudent enough to come here
and see if Vista has any problems before purchasing it. If you don't
like it, kill file me so you don't have to experience so many hissy fits
when you read my reasonable posts.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Will Dick reply to this post or not touch it with a ten foot pole?

Alias

 

[Alias]

So you are allowed to post your opinion but others are not?

Heh. Good question.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Just read this post and all the replies to date . . . I just have one
question for those that don't use Vista and have no plans to install it
any time soon . . .


What are you doing in a Vista group to begin with???


Most of us here have installed Vista, either recently or have been using
Beta and/or RTM versions . . . and we're here either looking for, or
giving, help with problems, so why waste your time, our time and
bandwidth with "Vista blows" or whatever posts?

If you're sticking with XP, great, I have 2 other machines that are
going to stay with XP simply because I see no reason to upgrade them
just yet, but my day-to-day machine has Vista, and has had it since the
RTM version came out as its only OS, removed XP from the boot-menu after
a week of running RTM since I never booted XP after installing Vista RTM.

Hell, if you're running DOS with the DOSSHELL and it works for you,
WONDERFUL! At my previous job we had a computer running DOS and Lotus
1-2-3 to track inventory and in-house charge accounts, worked just fine,
and backups were so simple! (Just copied the floppy that everything was
running on to another floppy every day)

Point is, what IS the point of bashing something you don't use, or
touting advice about aforementioned 'something' when you weren't asked
for said advice, and shouldn't be GIVING said advice since you don't
have first hand knowledge of said 'something'?

Pointless . . . that would be like going into a Lexus forum and telling
everyone not to buy a new model Lexus because the old one works just
fine, and the new one has some bugs because it's a new design. Yes, you
would be correct, but you know what? People in a Lexus forum/newsgroup
DON'T CARE for that advice, they are there because they have, or want,
a Lexus and want to talk to others about it, and maybe ask for some help
if they need it, or give help if someone asks and they know the answer .
. .

Okay, I'm done feeding the Trolls for the day . . .
Mic

False premise. Not everyone that comes here already has Vista. Some are
thinking about getting it and my advice is to wait. Your advice is not
to wait. It's up to the reader to decide which advice to follow.

Alias

 

[Saucy Lemon]

Who are you replying to?

Not too smart neither .. hmm.

Look, let me spell it out for you: if you and Alias dislike Windows, use
something else. There are plenty of operating systems out there. And you
live in a free country. If your job is in a Windows shop, get another job.
No one is twisting your arm to use Windows.

But don't waste everyone's time with your hostility and needless bickering
... life's too short for that nonsense.

Saucy Lemon

 

[Alias]

Not too smart neither .. hmm.

First insult. Being as you didn't quote to whom you were replying,
Nina's question is valid if you're smart enough to figure it out.

Look, let me spell it out for you: if you and Alias dislike Windows,

Wrong. I like Windows and use XP every single day. What I don't like are
the so-called anti piracy controls that do nothing to stop piracy and
only inconvenience the paying customer. I also advise to wait on Vista
because it's the *smart* thing to do.

use
something else. There are plenty of operating systems out there. And you
live in a free country. If your job is in a Windows shop, get another
job. No one is twisting your arm to use Windows.

But I do use Windows and I like Windows. So much for that argument of yours.

But don't waste everyone's time with your hostility and needless
bickering .. life's too short for that nonsense.

Saucy Lemon

When will you address the issues brought up instead of trying to shoot,
lamely, the messenger?

Alias

 

[jim]

I have been saying the same things about XPs superior performance compared
to vista, for MONTHS... I have posted many posts here about this.

no one listened!!!

But this newsgroup is full of naysayer vistadrones...
that have no brains.. and blindy follow whatever MS tells them

 

[jim]

I suggest you stop telling us lies that vista is good, and leave this
newsgroup.

Let the truth come out

 

[jim]

if you use gmail you get very little spam, it supports both web interface
AND
pop mail thus it is compatible with all email clients.

ITS FREE!

 

[Alias]

LOL I tried it many times (even the non publicised version 3). After
months of trying to train that program it still failed to capture my
spam. Windows Mail doesn't need training.

Interesting, I haven't had that experience. It did take a few months of
teaching it for it to finally nuke most spam.

Alias

 

[bp]

And one of the options is to wait until the drivers are ready and the
bugs are ironed out.

SO how long sould we wait Mr. Alais?

I've had EVERY winows OS and none of them are bugs free even today and
all of them could and probably do still have drivers problems.
How long should we wait oh wise one?

Fortunately, it matters little what you think.

And it matter little what you say. DO you really think you are going
to save the world from the big bad Vista OS.
God get a clue MS's marketing is far more powerful than your newsgroup
rants. you're wasting your time and ours.
The only person that would listen to you is a dumbass that doesn't
know you're a dumb ass.

Sure, you took a poll? No, you're making it up as you go along once again.

Did you? No you're just dreaming that you will save the world from
Vista.

My posts are directed at the people who are prudent enough to come here
and see if Vista has any problems before purchasing it. If you don't
like it, kill file me so you don't have to experience so many hissy fits
when you read my reasonable posts.

Alias

As for your suggestion to kill file you ...
Well..... *plonk*

 

[bp]

False premise. Not everyone that comes here already has Vista. Some are
thinking about getting it and my advice is to wait. Your advice is not
to wait. It's up to the reader to decide which advice to follow.

Alias

I would NEVER take advice from someone that uses the name Alias.
Makes me think you are not to proud of your own advice.

 

[ChrisM]

In message (e-mail address removed),
bp <[email protected]> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

:: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:37:43 +0100, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.es>
:: wrote:
::
::: Michael Palumbo wrote:
:::: ::::: You don't need Vista. If you have a good running XP Pro
::::: installation, save money and build a quad core system and have
::::: something truly fast. If you have XP Home, save money, get Pro,
::::: then build Dual or Quad Core and enjoy a truly fast system.
:::::
::::: Don't get sucked into the über graphical GUI. You need a high
::::: horsepower system just to run in it very well. Put XP on said
::::: system and you'll get an extremely fast and relatively light
::::: weight OS. All the extra DRM just adds insult to injury in my
::::: book. Factor in the high cost (a new copy of XP Pro is a fraction
::::: of the cost.)
:::::
::::: If you need a super graphical interface, get Win Blinds and any
::::: of the Widget software that's been floating out there for years.
::::: If you're worried about DX 10. First, you wont really have
::::: software that really uses it for some time. Second, DX 9 and
::::: lower is actually emulated and games and such that use it run
::::: slower on Vista than on XP Pro on the same system (according to
::::: many reviewer I've read.) Lastly, DX 10 will be released or
::::: ported some way or another; the fewer the people that buy Vista
::::: will help expedite this.
:::::
::::: So please don't buy into the hype. Please don't waste your money.
::::: Stick with XP (or what ever current OS) if it does everything you
::::: need and works well for you. Please send Redmond a strong message.
:::::
::::: --
::::: W. P.
:::::
:::::
::::
::::
:::: Just read this post and all the replies to date . . . I just have
:::: one question for those that don't use Vista and have no plans to
:::: install it any time soon . . .
::::
::::
:::: What are you doing in a Vista group to begin with???
::::
::::
:::: Most of us here have installed Vista, either recently or have been
:::: using Beta and/or RTM versions . . . and we're here either looking
:::: for, or giving, help with problems, so why waste your time, our
:::: time and bandwidth with "Vista blows" or whatever posts?
::::
:::: If you're sticking with XP, great, I have 2 other machines that are
:::: going to stay with XP simply because I see no reason to upgrade
:::: them just yet, but my day-to-day machine has Vista, and has had it
:::: since the RTM version came out as its only OS, removed XP from the
:::: boot-menu after a week of running RTM since I never booted XP
:::: after installing Vista RTM.
::::
:::: Hell, if you're running DOS with the DOSSHELL and it works for you,
:::: WONDERFUL! At my previous job we had a computer running DOS and
:::: Lotus 1-2-3 to track inventory and in-house charge accounts,
:::: worked just fine, and backups were so simple! (Just copied the
:::: floppy that everything was running on to another floppy every day)
::::
:::: Point is, what IS the point of bashing something you don't use, or
:::: touting advice about aforementioned 'something' when you weren't
:::: asked for said advice, and shouldn't be GIVING said advice since
:::: you don't have first hand knowledge of said 'something'?
::::
:::: Pointless . . . that would be like going into a Lexus forum and
:::: telling everyone not to buy a new model Lexus because the old one
:::: works just fine, and the new one has some bugs because it's a new
:::: design. Yes, you would be correct, but you know what? People in
:::: a Lexus forum/newsgroup DON'T CARE for that advice, they are there
:::: because they have, or want, a Lexus and want to talk to others
:::: about it, and maybe ask for some help if they need it, or give
:::: help if someone asks and they know the answer . . .
::::
:::: Okay, I'm done feeding the Trolls for the day . . .
:::: Mic
:::
::: False premise. Not everyone that comes here already has Vista. Some
::: are thinking about getting it and my advice is to wait. Your advice
::: is not to wait. It's up to the reader to decide which advice to
::: follow.
:::
::: Alias
:: I would NEVER take advice from someone that uses the name Alias.
:: Makes me think you are not to proud of your own advice.

Not really any worse than 'bp'!!

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Just read this post and all the replies to date . . . I just have one
question for those that don't use Vista and have no plans to install it
any time soon . . .


What are you doing in a Vista group to begin with???

Because this group is not for the sole purpose of blowing roses up MS's
arse.

Most of us here have installed Vista, either recently or have been using
Beta and/or RTM versions . . . and we're here either looking for, or
giving, help with problems, so why waste your time, our time and
bandwidth with "Vista blows" or whatever posts?

Who says none of us have? I have a technet plus subscription through
work, and I have been checking Vista out. And even if some aren't, that
is no prerequisite to posting here.

Point is, what IS the point of bashing something you don't use, or
touting advice about aforementioned 'something' when you weren't asked
for said advice, and shouldn't be GIVING said advice since you don't
have first hand knowledge of said 'something'?

ANYONE can use it without having to install it here:
http://www.windowsvistatestdrive.com/

How do you know they haven't tried that?

Pointless . . . that would be like going into a Lexus forum and telling
everyone not to buy a new model Lexus because the old one works just
fine, and the new one has some bugs because it's a new design. Yes, you
would be correct, but you know what? People in a Lexus forum/newsgroup
DON'T CARE for that advice, they are there because they have, or want,
a Lexus and want to talk to others about it, and maybe ask for some help
if they need it, or give help if someone asks and they know the answer .
. .

Maybe those people in the "Lexus" forum should attain enough self
control to at least plonk the posts/posters they don't want to see?

Okay, I'm done feeding the Trolls for the day . . .
Mic

How can I be a troll, I don't have a bridge to guard.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Nope. Just CLUELESS CUNTS LIKE YOU too stupid to work it out. Thank
the bittorent brigade."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[bp]

In message (e-mail address removed),
bp <[email protected]> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

:: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:37:43 +0100, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.es>
:: wrote:
::
::: Michael Palumbo wrote:
:::: ::::: You don't need Vista. If you have a good running XP Pro
::::: installation, save money and build a quad core system and have
::::: something truly fast. If you have XP Home, save money, get Pro,
::::: then build Dual or Quad Core and enjoy a truly fast system.
:::::
::::: Don't get sucked into the über graphical GUI. You need a high
::::: horsepower system just to run in it very well. Put XP on said
::::: system and you'll get an extremely fast and relatively light
::::: weight OS. All the extra DRM just adds insult to injury in my
::::: book. Factor in the high cost (a new copy of XP Pro is a fraction
::::: of the cost.)
:::::
::::: If you need a super graphical interface, get Win Blinds and any
::::: of the Widget software that's been floating out there for years.
::::: If you're worried about DX 10. First, you wont really have
::::: software that really uses it for some time. Second, DX 9 and
::::: lower is actually emulated and games and such that use it run
::::: slower on Vista than on XP Pro on the same system (according to
::::: many reviewer I've read.) Lastly, DX 10 will be released or
::::: ported some way or another; the fewer the people that buy Vista
::::: will help expedite this.
:::::
::::: So please don't buy into the hype. Please don't waste your money.
::::: Stick with XP (or what ever current OS) if it does everything you
::::: need and works well for you. Please send Redmond a strong message.
:::::
::::: --
::::: W. P.
:::::
:::::
::::
::::
:::: Just read this post and all the replies to date . . . I just have
:::: one question for those that don't use Vista and have no plans to
:::: install it any time soon . . .
::::
::::
:::: What are you doing in a Vista group to begin with???
::::
::::
:::: Most of us here have installed Vista, either recently or have been
:::: using Beta and/or RTM versions . . . and we're here either looking
:::: for, or giving, help with problems, so why waste your time, our
:::: time and bandwidth with "Vista blows" or whatever posts?
::::
:::: If you're sticking with XP, great, I have 2 other machines that are
:::: going to stay with XP simply because I see no reason to upgrade
:::: them just yet, but my day-to-day machine has Vista, and has had it
:::: since the RTM version came out as its only OS, removed XP from the
:::: boot-menu after a week of running RTM since I never booted XP
:::: after installing Vista RTM.
::::
:::: Hell, if you're running DOS with the DOSSHELL and it works for you,
:::: WONDERFUL! At my previous job we had a computer running DOS and
:::: Lotus 1-2-3 to track inventory and in-house charge accounts,
:::: worked just fine, and backups were so simple! (Just copied the
:::: floppy that everything was running on to another floppy every day)
::::
:::: Point is, what IS the point of bashing something you don't use, or
:::: touting advice about aforementioned 'something' when you weren't
:::: asked for said advice, and shouldn't be GIVING said advice since
:::: you don't have first hand knowledge of said 'something'?
::::
:::: Pointless . . . that would be like going into a Lexus forum and
:::: telling everyone not to buy a new model Lexus because the old one
:::: works just fine, and the new one has some bugs because it's a new
:::: design. Yes, you would be correct, but you know what? People in
:::: a Lexus forum/newsgroup DON'T CARE for that advice, they are there
:::: because they have, or want, a Lexus and want to talk to others
:::: about it, and maybe ask for some help if they need it, or give
:::: help if someone asks and they know the answer . . .
::::
:::: Okay, I'm done feeding the Trolls for the day . . .
:::: Mic
:::
::: False premise. Not everyone that comes here already has Vista. Some
::: are thinking about getting it and my advice is to wait. Your advice
::: is not to wait. It's up to the reader to decide which advice to
::: follow.
:::
::: Alias
:: I would NEVER take advice from someone that uses the name Alias.
:: Makes me think you are not to proud of your own advice.

Not really any worse than 'bp'!!

I'm not giving advice and bp is at least my initials.

But when some troll comes a calling trying to save the world from the
big bad OS I would think he would want to sound legit by using a name.
Using "Alias" makes me think he isn't to proud of his on advice.

Bill Pierpoint
How's that?

 

[Alias]

I would NEVER take advice from someone that uses the name Alias.
Makes me think you are not to proud of your own advice.

I thought you plonked me? No self control?

Alias

 

[ChrisM]

In message (e-mail address removed),
bp <[email protected]> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

:: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:36:16 -0000, "ChrisM"
::
::: In message (e-mail address removed),
::: bp <[email protected]> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:
:::
::::: On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:37:43 +0100, Alias
:::::
:::::: Michael Palumbo wrote:
::::::: :::::::: You don't need Vista. If you have a good running XP Pro
:::::::: installation, save money and build a quad core system and have
:::::::: something truly fast. If you have XP Home, save money, get Pro,
:::::::: then build Dual or Quad Core and enjoy a truly fast system.
::::::::
:::::::: Don't get sucked into the über graphical GUI. You need a high
:::::::: horsepower system just to run in it very well. Put XP on said
:::::::: system and you'll get an extremely fast and relatively light
:::::::: weight OS. All the extra DRM just adds insult to injury in my
:::::::: book. Factor in the high cost (a new copy of XP Pro is a
:::::::: fraction of the cost.)
::::::::
:::::::: If you need a super graphical interface, get Win Blinds and any
:::::::: of the Widget software that's been floating out there for
:::::::: years. If you're worried about DX 10. First, you wont really
:::::::: have software that really uses it for some time. Second, DX 9
:::::::: and lower is actually emulated and games and such that use it
:::::::: run slower on Vista than on XP Pro on the same system
:::::::: (according to many reviewer I've read.) Lastly, DX 10 will be
:::::::: released or ported some way or another; the fewer the people
:::::::: that buy Vista will help expedite this.
::::::::
:::::::: So please don't buy into the hype. Please don't waste your
:::::::: money. Stick with XP (or what ever current OS) if it does
:::::::: everything you need and works well for you. Please send
:::::::: Redmond a strong message.
::::::::
:::::::: --
:::::::: W. P.
::::::::
::::::::
:::::::
:::::::
::::::: Just read this post and all the replies to date . . . I just
::::::: have one question for those that don't use Vista and have no
::::::: plans to install it any time soon . . .
:::::::
:::::::
::::::: What are you doing in a Vista group to begin with???
:::::::
:::::::
::::::: Most of us here have installed Vista, either recently or have
::::::: been using Beta and/or RTM versions . . . and we're here either
::::::: looking for, or giving, help with problems, so why waste your
::::::: time, our time and bandwidth with "Vista blows" or whatever
::::::: posts?
:::::::
::::::: If you're sticking with XP, great, I have 2 other machines that
::::::: are going to stay with XP simply because I see no reason to
::::::: upgrade them just yet, but my day-to-day machine has Vista, and
::::::: has had it since the RTM version came out as its only OS,
::::::: removed XP from the boot-menu after a week of running RTM since
::::::: I never booted XP after installing Vista RTM.
:::::::
::::::: Hell, if you're running DOS with the DOSSHELL and it works for
::::::: you, WONDERFUL! At my previous job we had a computer running
::::::: DOS and Lotus 1-2-3 to track inventory and in-house charge
::::::: accounts, worked just fine, and backups were so simple! (Just
::::::: copied the floppy that everything was running on to another
::::::: floppy every day)
:::::::
::::::: Point is, what IS the point of bashing something you don't use,
::::::: or touting advice about aforementioned 'something' when you
::::::: weren't asked for said advice, and shouldn't be GIVING said
::::::: advice since you don't have first hand knowledge of said
::::::: 'something'?
:::::::
::::::: Pointless . . . that would be like going into a Lexus forum and
::::::: telling everyone not to buy a new model Lexus because the old
::::::: one works just fine, and the new one has some bugs because it's
::::::: a new design. Yes, you would be correct, but you know what?
::::::: People in a Lexus forum/newsgroup DON'T CARE for that advice,
::::::: they are there because they have, or want, a Lexus and want to
::::::: talk to others about it, and maybe ask for some help if they
::::::: need it, or give help if someone asks and they know the answer
::::::: . . .
:::::::
::::::: Okay, I'm done feeding the Trolls for the day . . .
::::::: Mic
::::::
:::::: False premise. Not everyone that comes here already has Vista.
:::::: Some are thinking about getting it and my advice is to wait.
:::::: Your advice is not to wait. It's up to the reader to decide
:::::: which advice to follow.
::::::
:::::: Alias
::::: I would NEVER take advice from someone that uses the name Alias.
::::: Makes me think you are not to proud of your own advice.
:::
::: Not really any worse than 'bp'!!
:: I'm not giving advice and bp is at least my initials.
::
:: But when some troll comes a calling trying to save the world from the
:: big bad OS I would think he would want to sound legit by using a
:: name. Using "Alias" makes me think he isn't to proud of his on
:: advice.
::
:: Bill Pierpoint
:: How's that?

Ha! That's better, Bill, should you profer any, I will heed your advice from
now on! )

To be fair to Alias, he is not really trolling (certainly compared to some
others anyway), although he is not pro-Vista, he seems to be making
reasonable points, rather than just MS-Bashing.

 

[Alias]

I'm not giving advice and bp is at least my initials.

Or so you say. How do we know you're not lying and really work for
British Petroleum?

But when some troll comes a calling trying to save the world from the
big bad OS I would think he would want to sound legit by using a name.
Using "Alias" makes me think he isn't to proud of his on advice.

You misunderstand. I plan to buy Vista. See if you can figure it out now.

Bill Pierpoint
How's that?

Looks like a phony alias to me.

Alias

 

[Alias]

How can I be a troll, I don't have a bridge to guard.

LOL!

Alias