Please avoid Vista like the plague

[molitar]

I'm running full vista interface on my WinXP.. hehe.. Even got the Sidebar
that's been ported over tho it's a huge memory hog and no easy toggle so
most of the time I don't run it. Add Topdesk to it and I even have a Flip3D
effect so I am now running what almost looks entirely like Windows Vista
without the stability issues.. LOL! When I tire of it I can easily go back
to classic interface with a single reboot so I'm totally happy without Vista
for quite a while probably not until first Service Pack where they fix most
of the bugs that are found in an operating system.

 

[Alias]

Way too late. I already have it and am liking it tremendously!

Keep telling yourself that. Self hypnosis works.

Peddle your trash elsewhere.

I notice you don't deign to jump in any threads where people are having
problems with Vista. Why is that? Too busy wanking Bubba?

Alias

 

[Saran]

Sure, sooner or later, I'll probably find somthing that I can't do
with this setup that I'd like to be able to do (play HD-DVDs or run
some new piece of software that required Vista or whatever) and at
that point, I'll re-consider my options, and will probably upgrade.
Until that happens, I'm quite happy as I am, unless someone can
convince me otherwise...

FWIW, HD-DVD/BluRay is (and has been for some time now) available on XP.
(eg, Power DVD and Win DVD both have version for it.) Other than DirectX
10, I doubt there will be very many programs that wont run on XP. Even
DX 10 will find its way into XP, some how, I'm sure. (And then theres
Open GL

 

[Alias]

The £70 I paid for my Vista is worth every penny with the excellent spam
protection that Windows Mail provides. I have never seen spam
protection as good as this before even with 3rd party anti-spam add ons.
Thankyou but I am going to stick with Vista and have no reason to go
back to XP.

I guess you've never tried Thunderbird who has had an anti spam program
since it came out. And, it doesn't cost 70 pounds. It's free.

Alias

 

[Saran]

Gosh I better tell my old xp2800+, 2gigs, and radeon 9600Pro, that
it's running Vista wrong and should be running slow.

news:[email protected]...

Please don't be stupid. You're trying to tell us that you cna compare a
fresh install to one thats been around, and without knowing how you've
maintained your previous XP install. That's a bogus comparison.

We did a test at work on a dual core Duo dual booted a fresh XP Pro SP2
against an OEM Vista (both OSes were 32 bit versions) and the XP was
infinately faster at everything we through at it, especialyl DX 7/8/9
games. Apps like Photoshop CS was also faster.

Please don't claim to know Vista is faster unless you've actually done
actual testing. XP Pro is a good operating system if you know who to
keep out all the potential filth.

 

[Steve K.]

It isn't *necessary* at this point in time, it's the *wow* factor, as
well as some reaons that IT kind of people might need to upgrade
right now. It will become *necessary* when MS stops supporting XP.

Other than that, it's not necessary to upgrade, but it is nice to
upgrade and have the new OS and still have everything perform just as
good or better than it did in XP. I'd gander that the majority of
people don't keep their computers really clean and they get really
sluggish, so they could reinstall XP and get their performance back
or they could upgrade to Vista and have just as good or better
performance.

I really don't agree it will be "necessary to upgrade" as in our company
(and among people I know) many run XP and even 2000, many of the XP
users having turned off automatic updates when word about the "windows
Genuine Advantage" compaign got out. An IT colleague of mine had a huge
headache with that once thaty update got installed on the whole network
at the university he works for, even though each ssytem had a valid
license.

We simply prevented that update from being installed. Now we install
only necassary updates.

Even so, many opt not to instal lall the updates (especially the Win
2000 users) and have prestinely runing systems.

I personally haven't run windows update for over a year on my system at
home and have had ZERO issues. And yes its a valid store bought XP Pro
as well.

I really think people have grown overly dependant on Windows Updates.
Driver updates for various hardwares is another story... one should
check for those from time to time. windows updates are better off chosen
by hand.

 

[Wayne M. Poe]

Hey Wayne. Have you ever bought a new car even though the one you're
driving is still running good?

Yes, when the need arised.

Ever used another web browser even
though IE is doing everything you want to do?

Yes, I've used Maxthon, Firefox, and Opera. I'm by no means against
trying new things.

Sometimes you buy
things just because you want a change or something new.

Absolutely true. You buy new things when there is a *need*. What is the
true need in Vista, what is there truly *new* in it?

Ever repainted a room just because you're tired of the old color?

Not often. Perhaps when doing a renovation and it look like it could use
a fresh coat of paint.

I'm enjoying the new look of Vista Ultimate and so far all of my
installed programs are working, my HP printer is printing and I have
a 5.1 surround system working.

You won't have any surround sound in any games requiring Direct Sound 3D

I have a couple of minor issues but
nothing that prevents me from enjoying my new install of Vista. Have
you actually installed and used Vista or are you just parroting
things you've read.

Yes I've participated in soem tests of it, I've actually used it hands
on, and I haven't found any real advantage in using it over XP. The
heavy cost + the hassel of migrating + the fact there isn't anything
really truly new about it = no thanks.

If there proves to be a real need for it in the future, it may be worth
another look, but so far I see none.

 

[Robbie]

Toms Hardware has some interesting Vista performance test results at:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/page11.html#conclusion_ko_for_windows_vista
Vista did poorly compared with XP on both audio and video operations.

Quote
we clearly advise against replacing Windows XP with Windows Vista if you
need to run professional graphics applications. Both ATI and Nvidia will
offer OpenGL support in upcoming driver releases, but it remains to be
seen if and how other graphics vendors or Microsoft may offer it.

We are disappointed that CPU-intensive applications such as video
transcoding with XviD (DVD to XviD MPEG4) or the MainConcept H.264
Encoder performed 18% to nearly 24% slower in our standard benchmark
scenarios.

End Quote

The performance problems plus the audio/video content management (DRM)
mess are good reasons for avoiding Vista, especially for AV operations.

 

[Beck]

I guess you've never tried Thunderbird who has had an anti spam program
since it came out. And, it doesn't cost 70 pounds. It's free.

LOL I tried it many times (even the non publicised version 3). After months
of trying to train that program it still failed to capture my spam. Windows
Mail doesn't need training.

 

[Stan R.]

I guess you've never tried Thunderbird who has had an anti spam
program since it came out. And, it doesn't cost 70 pounds. It's free.

Alias

Also, filters wouldn't be need as much if ISPs did a better job keeping
spam off the servers in general (there are several black lists that a
mail server can be configured to use.) Our company mail server used
dnsbl and spamhaus and no piece of spam ever gets to our users, nor does
legit mail get tossed by mistake.

Point being, while it's nice to have client side filters, they are a
attackign the symtoms at the surface instead of the more deap down
roots.

Thunderbird is a nice. If "MS Mail" does a good job, them thats nice to
see as well. But why not have better supprot for black lists and other
anti spam in their server software, to help keep spam out of the spools
in the first place.

 

[Lakesidezx]

Actually, when Im talking about my computer it was a relatively fresh
install of XP pro, maybe 1 month old at most and was getting 60FPS in my
games as I do now in a fresh install of vista.

So usually for my usage, 1 month will not start to bog down XP unless I
decide to install some really outragous apps.

 

[Saran]

I'm running full vista interface on my WinXP.. hehe.. Even got the
Sidebar that's been ported over tho it's a huge memory hog and no
easy toggle so most of the time I don't run it. Add Topdesk to it
and I even have a Flip3D effect so I am now running what almost looks
entirely like Windows Vista without the stability issues.. LOL! When
I tire of it I can easily go back to classic interface with a single
reboot so I'm totally happy without Vista for quite a while probably
not until first Service Pack where they fix most of the bugs that are
found in an operating system.

Will this service pack get rid of all the DRM?

 

[Robbie]

For more on Vista's DRM problems see BBC news for 2/5/2007:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6325353.stm

 

[Lakesidezx]

No, Im running full vista aero desktop.

The one game that comes to mind is world of warcraft which caps it's frame
rate at 60FPS, with all settings maxed as far as they will go. I have an
ATi X1900GT video card, same performance on my games in vista as they were
in XP pro


The only things that I will be turning off in aero is the slide in and out,
and the fade menus just because I absolutely hate them and always have, even
in XP.

 

[Saran]

LOL I tried it many times (even the non publicised version 3). After
months of trying to train that program it still failed to capture my
spam. Windows Mail doesn't need training.

Are you aware you are most like getting legit mail thrown out with the
trash? I review I read on MS Mail (I haven't used it my self) made a
strong note about this.

 

[Wayne M. Poe]

Actually, when Im talking about my computer it was a relatively fresh
install of XP pro, maybe 1 month old at most and was getting 60FPS in
my games as I do now in a fresh install of vista.

What games? What DX are the games implemented in? Are they even DX games
or Open GL? Are you using the fullest settings or lowered settings?

So usually for my usage, 1 month will not start to bog down XP unless
I decide to install some really outragous apps.

I haven't had any bogging down issues in XP Pro. Make sure you're not
installing extra bagage when you install certain softwares.

 

[deebs]

In theory I too would like every bit of kit as and when it is released
but then I have other things to purchase like food

It is good to get in with the cutting edge especially now that
communication is so easy, newsgroups abound and advice tends to be quite
highly skilled (Anyone remember Win 95 or Win 98). The modern support
standards are fantastic.

Besides, early adopters tend to learn quite a bit more by necessity and
... well it can be fun (as are CTPs, Betas, ... )

 

[Beck]

Are you aware you are most like getting legit mail thrown out with the
trash? I review I read on MS Mail (I haven't used it my self) made a
strong note about this.

I do check my spam box and very occasionally there is a false positive in
there but then no spam protection is perfect. However this one is more
perfect than others. lol
Thunderbird was just absolute trash. Its a shame because I wanted to use it
on Linux but it was just a no-go.

 

[Chuck]

I couldn't agree more Steve. Last week I "cleaned up" a friends computer
that had McAffee, which had expired in 2004! The PC was always
connected to the internet, with a 5 MB connection no less, thru a modem
with no router. Not one doggone virus, ad, or spyware on that machine.

 

[Roscoe]

Nerd alert! Nerd alert!

Way too late. I already have it and am liking it tremendously!

Peddle your trash elsewhere.

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Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

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