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omega
Barnie said:
It's good to see Visit Url on PL, as it belongs.
I haven't checked how how many programs Jedlinski (whom I much admire) has
on the list this year. I know Keynote made it, but have to look what else...
It's good to see Visit Url on PL, as it belongs.
I haven't checked how how many programs Jedlinski (whom I much admire) has
on the list this year. I know Keynote made it, but have to look what else...
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Susan Bugher
omega said:It's good to see Visit Url on PL, as it belongs.
I haven't checked how how many programs Jedlinski (whom I much admire) has
on the list this year. I know Keynote made it, but have to look what else...
KeyNote -PW
Oubliette -PW
Visit URL -PW
Kookie Jar -nominated
Susan
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Bjorn Simonsen
Susan Bugher wrote in said:
After installing Free Agent (FA) on a friends computer (using Agent my
self) I noticed that when you click/select options that are only found
in the full version - FA respond with a NAG dialog/reminder about this
feature only available in full version - do you want to purchase it -
or continue using the free version...(or something like that). Simple
example, clicking the Subject column header to sort by subject (not
available in free version). Very annoying. FA would not have received
my vote had I noticed this behavior earlier.
I'm sure some FA users here will let you know if I am wrong, or if
that NAG/reminder can be turned off somehow...
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
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Genna Reeney
Harvey said:
The use of sub-categories was always designed for the end-user who comes in
looking for a specific type of program and doesn't want to waste time
reading through the descriptions of 50+ programs. The sub-category serves 2
purposes:
- it tells a user whether there even is a program listed within his/her
requirements
- it limits the need to search through a long listing to find the one
program one needs.
G
Genna Reeney
DAN said:
A "Note" could be added to the listing of FreeAgent to mention the program,
without giving it a separate listing.
A fair compromise?
O
omega
Bjorn Simonsen said:
That's a key aspect to many of us in defining crippleware. Where menu
items within its interface are rendered dysfunctional. Either greyed,
or worse, launching a "you must buy the pro version" windows.
Or if not, does anyone know at exactly which version the design changed
to the one being described?
O
omega
Genna Reeney said:
I like that idea. I should think it's true for most, that it's when we first
download a program that we also grab up the main plugins and addons for it.
.. . .
Too bad AGO cannot address the lack of nesting. (Waiting for Agent v2. If
then(?) Maybe waiting for Godot.)
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Bjorn Simonsen
omega wrote in said:
I don't mind grayed out menu entries as long as the functions they
represent are not "vital" for the main operation of the program in
question. Nag screens is another issue. But to some extent I can live
with them too - if the remainder of the program is "worth it" (cf. my
argument in <about
Sandra, where non-working modules can be avoided. See also Thorsten
Duhn's nice suggestion in
<on how this can be
done with Sandra).
As for FA, I haven't used the new free version my self long enough to
say, only briefly encountered when installing it on a friends
computer. In other words, I don't know how "extensive" those NAG
screens are... I mean - how often will they pop up and how easy are
they triggered or how easy can they be avoided? My immediate
impression was they would pop up when you tried to do simple and
"obvious" stuff, like message sorting...stuff that is hard to remember
to steer clear off. I mean some features you are familiar with and use
every day with other programs (like sort order, as in changing the
file sort order in a file manager, message sort order in e-mail client
and so on), and thus it harder to steer clear off than say features
you hardly ever use (like some modules in a diagnostic utility like
Sandra). In other words, when "normal" behavior, stuff that is kind of
built into you fingers - stuff you do often, triggers NAG screen -
then - it is not only annoying, it is simply not nice - as in
undisclosed ad-ware with pop-up advertisements.
Another difference with Sandra and FA, as far as NAG screen goes, in
Sandra the NAG tells you the modul is not available in this version
and so on, in FA it prompts you with a multiple (three I think) choice
dialog, where one is "yes I want to buy" (or similar) - which If
clicked - I guess(!) will contact their sever or direct you to their
webshop..... Nothing like that in Sandra, it lets you know the feature
is not available in this version, and points you to the help file for
more info if you want it (or something like that - I did not check now
- Sandra is on my other setup)
Would like to know that too. My guess would be when they merged the
two versions into one (ver. 1.92 I think); one download - one
installer - two versions.
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
J
John Fitzsimons
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:19:48 GMT, "Genna Reeney"
All of which will vanish with the change towards "highest vote"
listings. Sub categories, and some categories, have already gone. :-(
Regards, John.
All of which will vanish with the change towards "highest vote"
listings. Sub categories, and some categories, have already gone. :-(
Regards, John.
J
John Fitzsimons
The change came about when Free Agent, and Agent, combined into the
one program. The old Free Agent is still available though.
People can chose either option.
Regards, John.
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John Fitzsimons
A reasonable idea BUT IMO it should stay where it is. Though as Susan
doesn't use Agent, and may not be interested in what Agent/Free Agent
users consider "priceless", I suspect it might vanish altogether.
Since PL ceased being for the "best of the best", for certain
capabilities, more and more "specialist" utilities will not "make the
cut".
In due course all the excellent "power" programs that fulfil "niche"
needs will be replaced with mediocrity. Due to having a large "vote"
(read "lowest common denominator").
Regards, John.
J
John Fitzsimons
So 6 EyeDropper
6 Fractal Explorer
6 nnCron Lite
etc.
are "enough votes" and Ago 7 is not "enough votes" ? Interesting.
Do whatever you like. I remember when the PL list was about helping
people. Not "getting numbers". Obviously AGO will not get as many
votes as applications/utilities that everyone uses. As it is an
Agent/Free Agent specific software.
Comparing it to items that everyone uses is just plain dopey. How can
any utility that relates to freeware that only some people use, ever
compete against a utility that everyone might use ?
The answer of course is that they cannot compete. I hardly think that
OE users, XNews users, etc. would be voting for AGO. Duh !
It will however remain a "priceless" piece of software for many
Agent/Free Agent users despite your fascination with "numbers" and
inflexibility.
Regards, John.
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Susan Bugher
omega said:
No deal. *My* proposal will allow me *unlimited* sleep time - if you
give up coffee you won't be able to stay awake long enough to think up
*any* todo lists. I *know* - I'm a coffeeholic too.
<q >Definition of a mathematician: a machine for turning coffee into
theorems. </q> (heard that last night)
Susan
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Susan Bugher
Spacey said:
but of course Spacey *dahling* - smoochie, smoochie, smoochie
Susan
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I have to admit I'm surprised and confused by your stance. If large
vote totals indicate mediocrity, perhaps we should remove the top
vote-getters from the PL?
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Let's try to play nice, John, if only to keep the irony of you calling
others "inflexible" from overwhelming me. ;-)
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Spacey Spade
Darn... no best of the best niche programs. Only the broad or general
purpose apps will make it. Maybe we can pack together all the special
purpose apps in a zip so that it is one distribution... then throw that
in for the vote! Its an FTP server, Internet Browser, and button pusher
(PTFB).
Just kidding.
M
Max Quordlepleen
»Q« said:
Now you're being unfair, »Q«. We all know that John rails long and
hard against a certain "crippleware" newsreader that needs a plugin to
add functionality that he deems essential. Now, he is insisting that a
plugin which adds functionality to a different newsreader,
functionality which many users apparently deem essential, should, in
fact, be included as pricelessware. Where is the inconsistency or
hypocrisy in his stand? I see none, I see only Janus Fitzsimons doing
what he does best.
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That's one of Paul Erdös' lines. He had a language all his own. I
think my favorite Erdösism is his calling children 'epsilons.'
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erdos>
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Susan Bugher
John said:
Well John, this is after all a *vote* discussion - and votes *are* numbers.
I have read and reread your flurry of posts. You advocate ignoring the
vote counts when they are high and ignoring them when they are low.
AFAICT you are really advocating a juried system in which votes play no
part. Why not simply say so?
Susan
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