I'm packing it up and sending it back

[Saucy]

Only in the USA. Legal here in Spain. Oops.

Alias

Oft times what is said to be legal or illegal is suchly only in the minds of
those professing. One needs to check the laws of the land one is in to
determine 'legality'. Also, what is 'legal' is not always morally upright.

In Canada, for instance, it is legal to download any and all music from the
Internet regardless of copyright status. What is illegal in Canada to do is
to upload any material in a manner that contradicts its copyright.

So one could install a file-sharing program and snarf anything. But one
could not make material available for upload if to do so would offend its
copyright.

There was a bit of a debate here about the issue. The government came to
this conclusion because it did want to be bothered with every petty
'possession' complaint from the music and software companies. One only runs
into potential legal problems if one becomes an illegitmate distributer. It
makes for a reasonable balance, I think.

 

[Saucy]

They had to the choice not to buy it and insist on XP or some flavor of
Linux.

Alias

Well, .. at least you have some sense.

 

[Saucy]

INLINE:

There are plenty of games. Just not ones that *you* might want to play.

No, nor just about anyone else. Smack Bill gets pretty boring pretty fast.

There is cedega and wine which will allow you to play windows games

I can imagine. Performance must be blazing (not) and I'm sure there are no
compatibility issues (not).

within linux. There is support for most printer drivers. Unlike vista
they tend to have support for the old printers in addition to the new

More like: "Linux has support for a few old printers - forget about support
for anything new - unlike Vista".

ones. Most people wouldn't use the alpha quality stuff and wouldn't
know about them anyways.

Which eliminates about 96% of the distro. All that installing and most of it
is useless.

Oh and one last thing.... for devices that don't have manufacturer
supplied drivers.... there are user supplied ones!

<sarcasm>I'm sure.</sarcasm>

 

[Jeffrey S. Sparks]

you are exactly correct - agreed 100%


hit the nail on the head again, right you are - no argument.

BUT.... Post after post after post in this NG sings exactly the same song
Users -should have known- their hardware wouldn't work
Users -should have known- their software wouldn't work

Fine.
my gripe is in how MS is (once again) marketing this thing
The only real tool available to potential upgraders is their HCL (Hardware
Compatibility List) and their Upgrade Advisor.

Who do I see and complain to when both these MS supplied tools told me my
hardware was fine, only to find out later that it simply wasn't true?
- this rig is less than 6 months old, yet my "new" ATI card, my "new"
soundblaster, my "new" modem and my "new" cardreader are all now
doorstops?

yea, I know - this is all MY fault, or so I've been told...

The problem with some of the tools and lists Microsoft has put out is they
rely a lot on information provided to them by the manufacturers of the
equipment. If Microsoft relays that info and then a device doesn't work,
who is to blame?

Jeff

 

[Erik Jan]

No multimedia codecs.

Because you downloaded and installed them. BTWE, libdvdcss is illegal
to use.

As a matter of fact I can watch DVD's on my Mandriva Linux distribution
legally because the distro also has "LinDVD", an official and fully
legal program, even in the USA.

Erik.

 

[john]

The problem with some of the tools and lists Microsoft has put out is they
rely a lot on information provided to them by the manufacturers of the
equipment. If Microsoft relays that info and then a device doesn't work,
who is to blame?

This is just incredible - how some of you evangelists keep inventing new
ways to apologize for Microsoft shortcomings.

 

[Stephan Rose]

INLINE:





No, nor just about anyone else. Smack Bill gets pretty boring pretty fast.




I can imagine. Performance must be blazing (not) and I'm sure there are no
compatibility issues (not).

Actually the stuff it does play Performance is just fine. Compatibility
issues there are plenty but each new release fixed something new so.

More like: "Linux has support for a few old printers - forget about
support for anything new - unlike Vista".

More like: Linux supports the stuff people actually own. Vista may support
all the brand-new stuff but who actually has some of it? Time for a reality
check, most people don't go buy a new printer every 3 months.

Shit I think the newest printer we have is 2 years old? Something like that.
Color laser, it does the job! We even still have a 6 year old HP around,
black and white laser. It does quite an excellent job too. No need to
replace either one of them, especially not for an operating system.

Wonder if Vista will run THOSE since they are not new!

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2003 Yamaha R6

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[Stephan Rose]

Oft times what is said to be legal or illegal is suchly only in the minds
of those professing. One needs to check the laws of the land one is in to
determine 'legality'. Also, what is 'legal' is not always morally upright.

In Canada, for instance, it is legal to download any and all music from
the Internet regardless of copyright status. What is illegal in Canada to
do is to upload any material in a manner that contradicts its copyright.

So one could install a file-sharing program and snarf anything. But one
could not make material available for upload if to do so would offend its
copyright.

There was a bit of a debate here about the issue. The government came to
this conclusion because it did want to be bothered with every petty
'possession' complaint from the music and software companies. One only
runs into potential legal problems if one becomes an illegitmate
distributer. It makes for a reasonable balance, I think.

Besides, legal or not, I highly doubt anyone is going to come after a user
that watches their legally bought DVDs on an operating system other than
Windows!! The whole thing is just complete bullshit.



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2003 Yamaha R6

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[Stephan Rose]

And that changes them from being Vendor supplies how exactly? It
doesn't. See? Linux does make you stupid.

You were saying that operating system comes with vendor supplied drivers. It
didn't *come* with it because the drivers didn't exist until after its
release.

So on either Vista *or* Linux, you need to download the vendor-supplied
drivers.

We're talking about how the OS comes out of the box, not what you can
download for it!

The same as they always have.

And that would be how seeing how the drivers didn't exist? I mean sure, they
could have bundled some older drivers with it. But whatever they supplied
with it, a user is still going to need to go to nVidia and download the
very drivers you are running right now.

Or are you honestly going to tell me that a Vista DVD that was created
before Feb20th is going to have the drivers on it that nVidia released Feb
20th?

No, really?

Yes really! Imagine that!

However Vista does. And seeing as you're in a Vista newsgroup talking
about Vista, what XP does or doesn't do is irrelevent. See? Linux does
make you stupid.

No it doesn't. Not without me going onto nVidia.com and downloading the
driver I need. So basically it doesn't support it out of the box. Which
there is absolutely nothing wrong with that as long as there is a
functional driver that can be downloaded.

You don't with Vista...

I don't with the next release of Kubuntu either!

I'm currently running 100.65...

So they finally managed to get DX10 support going huh? Well it is about
time.

Yeah..you've never ever used Vista and are a troll.

Nor do I ever want to. I will have to eventually seeing how I have to
develop software for the piece of crap. So I will need to have a test
system around unfortunately.

However you surely must know about the capabilities of your OS,
especially as the lack of Wifi support is a massive issue.

It isn't to me. I don't have a need for it. I will play around with it
though, I have a laptop I exremely rarely use that I'll throw Kubuntu on
just to see what happens.

Illegal in the EU as well.

Correction: In France. I'm not in France.

But Loonix Zealots keep telling me Linux is free.

While I realize there are idiots out there who believe just because the OS
is free every software that runs on it should be also, I do not belong into
that category. For me the OS is simply a very reasonable alternative to
Vista.

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Stephan Rose
2003 Yamaha R6

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[Conor]

This is just incredible - how some of you evangelists keep inventing new
ways to apologize for Microsoft shortcomings.

New ways to apologise? Guess who harped on the most about hardware
vendors not playing fair regarding drivers....

LINUX DEVELOPERS.

 

[Conor]

As a matter of fact I can watch DVD's on my Mandriva Linux distribution
legally because the distro also has "LinDVD", an official and fully
legal program, even in the USA.

Good for you. If Linux is so good and Vista so bad, why not **** off
back to your little Linux groups and stop trolling?

 

[Thor]

You're on your third version of what?
Ubuntu 6.06 has had ONE version upgrade: 6.06.1

Many updates, but not versions.

And if something doesn't work in Ubuntu, only a total jackass would say that
it is easier to fix than it is in Windows.

Do you actually READ the Ubuntu or Linux forums?

 

[Stephan Rose]

You're on your third version of what?
Ubuntu 6.06 has had ONE version upgrade: 6.06.1

Incorrect. latest stable version is 6.10 (Edgy).

Many updates, but not versions.

And if something doesn't work in Ubuntu, only a total jackass would say
that it is easier to fix than it is in Windows.

Some things probably yes as they are actually accessible. Some things are
probably easier in windows. Some things are probably a bitch and a pain in
the ass in either one.


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2003 Yamaha R6

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[Alias]

You're on your third version of what?
Ubuntu 6.06 has had ONE version upgrade: 6.06.1
False.


Many updates, but not versions.

And if something doesn't work in Ubuntu, only a total jackass would say
that it is easier to fix than it is in Windows.
False.


Do you actually READ the Ubuntu or Linux forums?

Of course.

Alias

 

[thor]

Great facts you used, Alias.

True!

Of course.

Alias

 

[thor]

Great facts you used, Alias.

True!

Of course.

Alias

 

[thor]

No facts from you, Alias, just more garbage.

True!

 

[thor]

Always using facts, eh, Alias?

All of the statements I made are true - except the "jackass" - that's an
opinion.

(An opinion based on my experiences with Windows, Linux distributions
and help forums/newsgroups from each OS.)

 

[Robert Pendell]

LOL! Users are merrily disabling it left and right.

Which I have been telling users that call in to the call center where I
work that while it is possible to disable the prompts (they do ask about
it) I don't recommend it. It helps to prevent stuff like spyware from
installing on their own.

Huh?

He is referring to someone determining the password for the root user
account. The account on linux and unix referred to as "god". Controls
everything in the system regardless of permission status. Has more
control than even the Administrator account on any windows platform.
That account must has a secure password. The key here though is never
allow a remote user to login as root. When I secured up a VPS that I
was playing around with that was one of the first things. I was still
securing it while a bunch of people hammered it attempts to login which
all failed. Granted they were trying the wrong username. I mean what
is the point of trying Administrator on a server running Linux? I
thought about just creating one just to see what they would of done with it.

False. The reason is that Linux is so secure, they can't harvest Linux
machines. Most good servers run on Linux so your opinion, once again, is
totally erroneous.

Alias

One thing that I will point out is that there is never a 100% secure
system. It won't matter what platform it is running on. It could be
Linux, Unix, any BSD flavor, Mac OS, Windows, or Solaris and still can
be broken in and taken advantage of. There is always a security issue
or a loophole somewhere. The best that can happen is the user takes
measures to prevent such from happening. A firewall is a good first
line to prevent someone from gaining access to a computer.

 

[Alias]

Great facts you used, Alias.

Glad you liked it.

No need to thank me four times though.

Alias