I'm packing it up and sending it back

[Saucy]

Try Unbuntu. It's free and they'll even pay the postage to send you the
CD.
http://www.ubuntu.com/ No product key, no activation, no WGA, no ISS, no
DRM and

no games, no printer drivers, thousands of incomplete alpha quality email
clients, thousands of incomplete alpha quality grep scripts, dissimilar
config files all over the place .. yeah .. it's a nightmare whoops dream OS
...

 

[Frank]

whoa, better back off bp before Frank calls you a doody head.

Why? You've already done it.
Frank

 

[Stephan Rose]

when is the new version coming out...?

Feisty is supposed to be released in April. I am already waiting for it to
be released. =)

Now that vista is a flop there is much pressure to get ubuntu even more
user friendly...

its strange because there were so many better distros.. I really don't
understand why people liked ubuntu so much.. I think there was a push from
distrowatch...funding to keep it first in the list...
now its getting better.. but it was number 1 when it was still far worse
than Mandriva or suse or some others...

there are 2 significant steps in linux now:

1) Unified installer for all Linux distros

Can you elaborate on that?

2) Free development for drivers from programmers for the hardware
companies...

As far as I know, more than enough people are willing to do that. It's the
hardware companies not giving out the necessary information needed for the
driver development that is the problem.

if the 2 things above work... there is a light in the tunnel at last...

also dell was it? They had some kind of survey and people wanted computers
with linux on them.... so that shows that vista is destroying
Microsoft....

there is something about linux that makes it more powerful than any MS OS.

Like actual real multitasking, lightning fast speed and efficiency?
No restrictions?
No DRM?
No UAC?
No WGA?

I can't even stand to use XP anymore, it is a sloth in comparison. I don't
want to imagine Vista.

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[jim]

I guess we found another troll...

Frank... get a life...

 

[jim]

Frank.... your stupidity shines....

I would suggest you keep it to yourself and not display it on newsgroups
where the whole firkin world can see it

 

[jim]

xp is the deal

no games, no printer drivers, thousands of incomplete alpha quality email
clients, thousands of incomplete alpha quality grep scripts, dissimilar
config files all over the place .. yeah .. it's a nightmare whoops dream
OS ..

 

[John Locke]

Good idea as incompetent users need not apply. MS should have initiated

some sort of per-purchase test in order to qualify potential users and
separate the wheat from the chaff.
Obviously we know which category you fall in.
Frank

He doesn't sound incompetent to me at all. Just frustraded with
his Vista install. Most users are just people trying to get some work
done on their computers and have put a lot of faith in Microsoft
over the years to produce a product that performs as expected.

I'm sure that Microsoft knew that hardware & software vendors
would not be ready for Vista. Microsoft should have coordinated
the development of drivers and software with the release of Vista,
which would probably have been some time in 2008.
Vista should have been left in Beta test status until that time.

 

[Jeffrey S. Sparks]

He doesn't sound incompetent to me at all. Just frustraded with
his Vista install. Most users are just people trying to get some work
done on their computers and have put a lot of faith in Microsoft
over the years to produce a product that performs as expected.

I'm sure that Microsoft knew that hardware & software vendors
would not be ready for Vista. Microsoft should have coordinated
the development of drivers and software with the release of Vista,
which would probably have been some time in 2008.
Vista should have been left in Beta test status until that time.

The problem is they can't force other manufacturers to write new drivers for
all their devices. AMD and ATI for example did a pretty good job at getting
drivers out for all their devices, others weren't as fast and some just
won't update their drivers. Some won't update their drivers at all in order
to try to get you to update your equipment. This has nothing to do with
microsoft. The manufacturers all had specs from microsoft in advance in
order to create drivers if they wanted.

Many manufacturers waited to see how much of a demand their was for each
device to decide whether or not to create a new driver. They would have to
wait until AFTER vista was released to see this though.

Jeff

 

[Alias]

no games,
False.

no printer drivers,
False.

thousands of incomplete alpha quality email
clients,

You mean like Windows Mail?

thousands of incomplete alpha quality grep scripts, dissimilar
config files all over the place .. yeah .. it's a nightmare whoops dream
OS ..

I haven't had any problem with it.

Alias

 

[Linus Askerlund]

First everyone complains about how long Vista is delayed and now you want
to delay it more so that NVIDIA can write drivers for their products that
don't cause blue screens?

Actually the public reason for MS to delay Vista that last time was so that
hardware vendors actually would be ready with their drivers and software,
the vendors asked MS for that. And yet no one really did that. And honestly
if you look at just Vista as an OS it is superb but the third parties still
got a loong way to go, and that's when people will start to change their
view. Seriously, not every failure is Microsoft's fault, actually a very
small percentage actually is.

 

[johnm]

The problem is they can't force other manufacturers to write new drivers
for all their devices. AMD and ATI for example did a pretty good job at
getting drivers out for all their devices, others weren't as fast and some
just won't update their drivers. Some won't update their drivers at all
in order to try to get you to update your equipment. This has nothing to
do with microsoft. The manufacturers all had specs from microsoft in
advance in order to create drivers if they wanted.

you are exactly correct - agreed 100%

Many manufacturers waited to see how much of a demand their was for each
device to decide whether or not to create a new driver. They would have
to wait until AFTER vista was released to see this though.

Jeff

hit the nail on the head again, right you are - no argument.

BUT.... Post after post after post in this NG sings exactly the same song
Users -should have known- their hardware wouldn't work
Users -should have known- their software wouldn't work

Fine.
my gripe is in how MS is (once again) marketing this thing
The only real tool available to potential upgraders is their HCL (Hardware
Compatibility List) and their Upgrade Advisor.

Who do I see and complain to when both these MS supplied tools told me my
hardware was fine, only to find out later that it simply wasn't true?
- this rig is less than 6 months old, yet my "new" ATI card, my "new"
soundblaster, my "new" modem and my "new" cardreader are all now doorstops?

yea, I know - this is all MY fault, or so I've been told...

 

[Saucy]

Have you actually installed Ubuntu .. or do you know about as much of Ubuntu
as you do of Vista?

 

[Alias]

Have you actually installed Ubuntu .. or do you know about as much of
Ubuntu as you do of Vista?

If you knew anything, you would realise I am posting while using Ubuntu
but "if" is a big word.

Alias

 

[Guest]

I think this msg is yet another plant for for Linux

 

[Conor]

Try Unbuntu. It's free and they'll even pay the postage to send you the CD.
http://www.ubuntu.com/ No product key, no activation, no WGA, no ISS, no
DRM and you can install the same CD on as many computers as you and your
friends like.

Hardly any Wifi support
No vendor 3d drivers
No multimedia codecs.

Excellent community support though.

 

[Conor]

when is the new version coming out...?

Now that vista is a flop there is much pressure to get ubuntu even more user
friendly...

I'm sorry, you're a liar. You can't have used Ubuntu because if you
did, you wouldn't have said it was user unfriendly at all.

....or that's what the Loonix Zealots keep telling me.

 

[Conor]

False.

Where is Battlefield 2?

I haven't had any problem with it.

Change the GCC version. Watch all your apps fail.

 

[Conor]

If you knew anything, you would realise I am posting while using Ubuntu
but "if" is a big word.

Really? I thought Knode was a KDE app. So ypu're either dumb as ****
and installed KDE on top of Ubuntu or installed Kubuntu which isn't the
same thing - Loonix Zealots being pedantic and all that.

 

[Conor]

Imagine what the Internet would be like if that was done for Win95.

Win95 is what made the internet the success it is today.

 

[Alias]

I'm sorry, you're a liar. You can't have used Ubuntu because if you
did, you wouldn't have said it was user unfriendly at all.

...or that's what the Loonix Zealots keep telling me.

No they don't. Ubuntu is very user friendly, more than Windows.

Alias