Vista: The PC Enthusiasts worst nightmare.

[Guest]

Im done with Windows Vista. After all I've been through I'm sick and done
dealing with it. To make a long story short I upgraded by computer to a Dual
socket AMD computer (AMD's 4x4 platform). Before I upgraded however I made
the fatal decision to buy Windows Vista: Home Premium. After I was done
putting in all the new parts I realized I had to format my Hard Drive because
it wasnt being detected correctly. So I did. I soon realized afterwards that
I couldnt reactivate Windows Vista so I had to call up Microsoft Tech Support
and for 3 days I tried to convince them that I owned Windows Vista so they
would give me another product key so I could activate Vista. Eventually they
gave me a new product key and I asked them how would could I uninstall vista
to avoid this in the future and their response was " Call us before you do so
and we'll deactivate and reactivate your Product Key" So essentially I must
spend a good portion of my day calling Windows Vista Tech Support everytime I
want to upgrade my hard drive or make major changes to my computer. Anyways
everything was fine until I realized that Home Premium didnt utilize both CPU
sockets only Vista Ultimate or Vista Business did. So I saved up some more
money and did the anytime upgrade to Vista Ultimate. That wasnt too hard but
it still costed more money than I wanted to spend for one feature. I then
upgraded to 4 gigabytes of RAM and realized I needed the 64 bit version of
Windows Vista Ultimate to use it. So I tried to get the 64 media disk, but
whats this? People who do "Anytime Upgrade" to Vista Ultimate are not elgible
to receive a 64 bit disk (talk about fine print). So what do I have to do to
utilize both the 64 capability of my comptuer and the 4 gigabytes of RAM? I
have to go buy ANOTHER full version of Windows Vista Ultimate 64 edition.
Another $400 just to be able to utilize a couple features of my computer!
This is ridculous, I thought Vista was the best OS for gamers but I guess I
was wrong I cant do anything to my computer without calling MS tech support
and buying another piece of software. If I had to suggest some things to
Windows its that people shouldnt have to get Vista Ultimate to use both CPU
sockets and people shouldnt have to buy another copy of Vista to use 4 gigs
of ram and people shouldnt have to spend 3 or 4 days trying to accomplish the
simplest of tasks such as reinstalling windows or obtaining a 64 bit vista CD
and people shouldnt have to call Windows Vista to upgrade their computer. Im
going back to Windows Professional x64 where I can use 4 gigs of ram, 2 CPU
sockets, and 64 bit without paying a dollar more. My only regret is wasting
my money buying Vista.


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[DP]

I
have to go buy ANOTHER full version of Windows Vista Ultimate 64 edition.
Another $400 just to be able to utilize a couple features of my computer!

I'm sure there will be others here to comment on other portions of your
post. I just want to point out that you can get the OEM version of Vista 64
Ultimate for about $200 from New Egg. $200 more than what you want to spend,
but it's still $200 less than what you think you have to spend.

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP]

Vista Home versions do not recognize dual processors just like XP Home
versions didn't.. you have to research these things before buying.. this
doesn't just apply to computers, but everything..

Re 64bit, unless you intend to run more than 4gb RAM, there is little point
in running a 64bit OS.. While 32bit Windows does not show all of it, the
entire 4gb will be used by the system as a whole..

Im done with Windows Vista. After all I've been through I'm sick and done
dealing with it. To make a long story short I upgraded by computer to a
Dual
socket AMD computer (AMD's 4x4 platform). Before I upgraded however I made
the fatal decision to buy Windows Vista: Home Premium. After I was done
putting in all the new parts I realized I had to format my Hard Drive
because
it wasnt being detected correctly. So I did. I soon realized afterwards
that
I couldnt reactivate Windows Vista so I had to call up Microsoft Tech
Support
and for 3 days I tried to convince them that I owned Windows Vista so they
would give me another product key so I could activate Vista. Eventually
they
gave me a new product key and I asked them how would could I uninstall
vista
to avoid this in the future and their response was " Call us before you do
so
and we'll deactivate and reactivate your Product Key" So essentially I
must
spend a good portion of my day calling Windows Vista Tech Support
everytime I
want to upgrade my hard drive or make major changes to my computer.
Anyways
everything was fine until I realized that Home Premium didnt utilize both
CPU
sockets only Vista Ultimate or Vista Business did. So I saved up some more
money and did the anytime upgrade to Vista Ultimate. That wasnt too hard
but
it still costed more money than I wanted to spend for one feature. I then
upgraded to 4 gigabytes of RAM and realized I needed the 64 bit version of
Windows Vista Ultimate to use it. So I tried to get the 64 media disk, but
whats this? People who do "Anytime Upgrade" to Vista Ultimate are not
elgible
to receive a 64 bit disk (talk about fine print). So what do I have to do
to
utilize both the 64 capability of my comptuer and the 4 gigabytes of RAM?
I
have to go buy ANOTHER full version of Windows Vista Ultimate 64 edition.
Another $400 just to be able to utilize a couple features of my computer!
This is ridculous, I thought Vista was the best OS for gamers but I guess
I
was wrong I cant do anything to my computer without calling MS tech
support
and buying another piece of software. If I had to suggest some things to
Windows its that people shouldnt have to get Vista Ultimate to use both
CPU
sockets and people shouldnt have to buy another copy of Vista to use 4
gigs
of ram and people shouldnt have to spend 3 or 4 days trying to accomplish
the
simplest of tasks such as reinstalling windows or obtaining a 64 bit vista
CD
and people shouldnt have to call Windows Vista to upgrade their computer.
Im
going back to Windows Professional x64 where I can use 4 gigs of ram, 2
CPU
sockets, and 64 bit without paying a dollar more. My only regret is
wasting
my money buying Vista.


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[Kevin Young]

Im done with Windows Vista. After all I've been through I'm sick and done
dealing with it. To make a long story short I upgraded by computer to a Dual
socket AMD computer (AMD's 4x4 platform). Before I upgraded however I made
the fatal decision to buy Windows Vista: Home Premium. After I was done
putting in all the new parts I realized I had to format my Hard Drive because
it wasnt being detected correctly. So I did. I soon realized afterwards that
I couldnt reactivate Windows Vista so I had to call up Microsoft Tech Support
and for 3 days I tried to convince them that I owned Windows Vista so they
would give me another product key so I could activate Vista. Eventually they
gave me a new product key and I asked them how would could I uninstall vista
to avoid this in the future and their response was " Call us before you do so
and we'll deactivate and reactivate your Product Key" So essentially I must
spend a good portion of my day calling Windows Vista Tech Support everytime I
want to upgrade my hard drive or make major changes to my computer. Anyways
everything was fine until I realized that Home Premium didnt utilize both CPU
sockets only Vista Ultimate or Vista Business did. So I saved up some more
money and did the anytime upgrade to Vista Ultimate. That wasnt too hard but
it still costed more money than I wanted to spend for one feature. I then
upgraded to 4 gigabytes of RAM and realized I needed the 64 bit version of
Windows Vista Ultimate to use it. So I tried to get the 64 media disk, but
whats this? People who do "Anytime Upgrade" to Vista Ultimate are not elgible
to receive a 64 bit disk (talk about fine print). So what do I have to do to
utilize both the 64 capability of my comptuer and the 4 gigabytes of RAM? I
have to go buy ANOTHER full version of Windows Vista Ultimate 64 edition.
Another $400 just to be able to utilize a couple features of my computer!
This is ridculous, I thought Vista was the best OS for gamers but I guess I
was wrong I cant do anything to my computer without calling MS tech support
and buying another piece of software. If I had to suggest some things to
Windows its that people shouldnt have to get Vista Ultimate to use both CPU
sockets and people shouldnt have to buy another copy of Vista to use 4 gigs
of ram and people shouldnt have to spend 3 or 4 days trying to accomplish the
simplest of tasks such as reinstalling windows or obtaining a 64 bit vista CD
and people shouldnt have to call Windows Vista to upgrade their computer. Im
going back to Windows Professional x64 where I can use 4 gigs of ram, 2 CPU
sockets, and 64 bit without paying a dollar more. My only regret is wasting
my money buying Vista.

All the different versions of Vista can be confusing but depending on
when you purchased the 32 Bit version of Home Premium you can likely
return it to Microsoft and obtain a full refund then purchase the OEM 64
bit version. Not sure what the refund policy is for an Anytime Upgrade
but a call to Microsoft should clarify whether you can also get a refund
for that as well.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

All the different versions of Vista can be confusing

Henceforth the lawsuit they are suffering.

but depending on
when you purchased the 32 Bit version of Home Premium you can likely
return it to Microsoft and obtain a full refund then purchase the OEM 64
bit version. Not sure what the refund policy is for an Anytime Upgrade
but a call to Microsoft should clarify whether you can also get a refund
for that as well.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"poor little MADAM albright still got your knickers twisted. how are we
supposed to believe you know anything about computers when you cannot
even dress your self. oh and pull that skirt down."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[Guest]

The thing about OEM is I believe Microsoft does not provide tech support to
OEM customers. Also replying to Mike I would have done more research if I had
known before I bought Home Premium that I was going to upgrade. I bought
Vista the night it came out and upgraded sometime in March. I also upgraded
to what I thought to be AMDs best platform and only found out about all the
requirements by posting questions on this board. Anyways, dont you think if
Microsoft sells something they should have one page that details the
capabilites of their products instead of having a user search the internet to
find problems they never knew existed? I even did the thing to see if your
computer was fully compatable with Vista but all that does is tell you what
features your computer is able to access like Vista Aero or Windows Flip, and
other basic features.

 

[Nina DiBoy]

Im done with Windows Vista. After all I've been through I'm sick and
done dealing with it. To make a long story short I upgraded by
computer to a Dual socket AMD computer (AMD's 4x4 platform). Before I
upgraded however I made the fatal decision to buy Windows Vista: Home
Premium. After I was done putting in all the new parts I realized I
had to format my Hard Drive because it wasnt being detected
correctly. So I did. I soon realized afterwards that I couldnt
reactivate Windows Vista so I had to call up Microsoft Tech Support
and for 3 days I tried to convince them that I owned Windows Vista so
they would give me another product key so I could activate Vista.
Eventually they gave me a new product key and I asked them how would
could I uninstall vista to avoid this in the future and their
response was " Call us before you do so and we'll deactivate and
reactivate your Product Key" So essentially I must spend a good
portion of my day calling Windows Vista Tech Support everytime I want
to upgrade my hard drive or make major changes to my computer.
Anyways everything was fine until I realized that Home Premium didnt
utilize both CPU sockets only Vista Ultimate or Vista Business did.
So I saved up some more money and did the anytime upgrade to Vista
Ultimate. That wasnt too hard but it still costed more money than I
wanted to spend for one feature. I then upgraded to 4 gigabytes of
RAM and realized I needed the 64 bit version of Windows Vista
Ultimate to use it. So I tried to get the 64 media disk, but whats
this? People who do "Anytime Upgrade" to Vista Ultimate are not
elgible to receive a 64 bit disk (talk about fine print). So what do
I have to do to utilize both the 64 capability of my comptuer and the
4 gigabytes of RAM? I have to go buy ANOTHER full version of Windows
Vista Ultimate 64 edition. Another $400 just to be able to utilize a
couple features of my computer! This is ridculous, I thought Vista
was the best OS for gamers but I guess I was wrong I cant do anything
to my computer without calling MS tech support and buying another
piece of software. If I had to suggest some things to Windows its
that people shouldnt have to get Vista Ultimate to use both CPU
sockets and people shouldnt have to buy another copy of Vista to use
4 gigs of ram and people shouldnt have to spend 3 or 4 days trying to
accomplish the simplest of tasks such as reinstalling windows or
obtaining a 64 bit vista CD and people shouldnt have to call Windows
Vista to upgrade their computer. Im going back to Windows
Professional x64 where I can use 4 gigs of ram, 2 CPU sockets, and 64
bit without paying a dollar more. My only regret is wasting my money
buying Vista.

James, I'm sorry you were forced to go through all this trouble largely
because of Vista and it's product activation.

Yet more evidence that Buggy DRM Technologies like WPA, WGA(N), etc.
screw the paying customer, and do not reduce piracy

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"poor little MADAM albright still got your knickers twisted. how are we
supposed to believe you know anything about computers when you cannot
even dress your self. oh and pull that skirt down."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

 

[Frank]

James wrote:

<------------delete MS rant----------->

So you're blaming MS for your inability or laziness to do basic research
on what you have and what you need?
Is that correct?
You deserve linux.
(snort, chuckle, burp)
Frank

 

[Guest]

No, I'm blaming MS for making it difficult for PC enthusiasts to upgrade
their computers. Though there is no reason Microsoft couldnt make it more
convienent to access information about their products.

(BTW Linux is sounding more and more appealing to me *snort, chuckle, burp*)

 

[Isaac Hunt]

Im done with Windows Vista. After all I've been through I'm sick and done
dealing with it. To make a long story short I upgraded by computer to a
Dual
socket AMD computer (AMD's 4x4 platform). Before I upgraded however I made
the fatal decision to buy Windows Vista: Home Premium. After I was done
putting in all the new parts I realized I had to format my Hard Drive
because
it wasnt being detected correctly. So I did. I soon realized afterwards
that
I couldnt reactivate Windows Vista so I had to call up Microsoft Tech
Support
and for 3 days I tried to convince them that I owned Windows Vista so they
would give me another product key so I could activate Vista. Eventually
they
gave me a new product key and I asked them how would could I uninstall
vista
to avoid this in the future and their response was " Call us before you do
so
and we'll deactivate and reactivate your Product Key" So essentially I
must
spend a good portion of my day calling Windows Vista Tech Support
everytime I
want to upgrade my hard drive or make major changes to my computer.
Anyways
everything was fine until I realized that Home Premium didnt utilize both
CPU
sockets only Vista Ultimate or Vista Business did. So I saved up some more
money and did the anytime upgrade to Vista Ultimate. That wasnt too hard
but
it still costed more money than I wanted to spend for one feature. I then
upgraded to 4 gigabytes of RAM and realized I needed the 64 bit version of
Windows Vista Ultimate to use it. So I tried to get the 64 media disk, but
whats this? People who do "Anytime Upgrade" to Vista Ultimate are not
elgible
to receive a 64 bit disk (talk about fine print). So what do I have to do
to
utilize both the 64 capability of my comptuer and the 4 gigabytes of RAM?
I
have to go buy ANOTHER full version of Windows Vista Ultimate 64 edition.
Another $400 just to be able to utilize a couple features of my computer!
This is ridculous, I thought Vista was the best OS for gamers but I guess
I
was wrong I cant do anything to my computer without calling MS tech
support
and buying another piece of software. If I had to suggest some things to
Windows its that people shouldnt have to get Vista Ultimate to use both
CPU
sockets and people shouldnt have to buy another copy of Vista to use 4
gigs
of ram and people shouldnt have to spend 3 or 4 days trying to accomplish
the
simplest of tasks such as reinstalling windows or obtaining a 64 bit vista
CD
and people shouldnt have to call Windows Vista to upgrade their computer.
Im
going back to Windows Professional x64 where I can use 4 gigs of ram, 2
CPU
sockets, and 64 bit without paying a dollar more. My only regret is
wasting
my money buying Vista.

I'm very critical of vista & I don't use it, but you got all you deserved
here.
Next time do some research & you won't waste so much money.

 

[Frank]

No, I'm blaming MS for making it difficult for PC enthusiasts to upgrade
their computers. Though there is no reason Microsoft couldnt make it more
convienent to access information about their products.

(BTW Linux is sounding more and more appealing to me *snort, chuckle, burp*)

:

Yeah, do yourself a favor go to the open sores solution.
(ouch!)
Frank

 

[Alyce Vanderwey]

I totally agree and can add some input. Between your security on windows vista(which by its self might not be that bad) and your neo Nazi deactivation and validation procedures YOU HAVE MADE IT A LIVING NIGHTMARE for the honest people who bought your product legitimately. And god help us if we SOMEHOW accidentally get ourselves deactivated. You have put us in a corner that you can’t get out of you, have locked us out and gave us no key to get back in with, Oh and guess what you forgot to even clue your tech teams on how to help us. Its all about Microsoft, your pocketbook first, your interest before the customers (which incidentally is how you get your money in the pocketbook to begin with) my friend has an Apple computer she is always downing Microsoft and I was always taking up for you guys, no more! If my issues with activation are not solved with out a clean install and losing all my hours of phone assistance(basically you guys and a bit of third parties) to get everything up and running. I guess Ill be learning how to run a Mac and all their software. Im beginning to get resentful and bitter and believe me it takes a lot to get me in that sort of frame of mind. Why did you release Vista so soon with all these kinks to work out?? I feel you have used your customers for your testing grounds. I believe all your early customers have paid dearly for supporting your new operating system.
Thank You
AlyceV


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[Mark]

Although these things don't affect me, I didn't recall seeing anything
when I was looking into Vista about needing a particular version for
multiple processors or large amount of memory. So just looking at the
comparison between Vista versions here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pr.../choose.mspx?wt_svl=10033VHa1&mg_id=10033VHb1

There is no mention of only particular versions supporting multiple
processors, or differing limits on RAM. Surely such things should be
mentioned there, if anywhere! Or at least I'd expect a link to a more
detailed list of features, if that is only intended as an overview.

But then even what is on the list seems to be inaccurate anyway... it
indicates that some of the games (second to last item) aren't available
on Business edition, but they are. They just aren't installed by
default, and can be easily added via Control Panel / Programs and
Features / Turn Windows features on or off. Yes, I know the games are a
minor thing, but it shows that even what is included on that list is
inaccurate. I wonder what other errors there are on that list...

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

To whom are you replying?
Are you aware these are peer to peer support newsgroups and there is
no requirement or expectation that Microsoft see your post?
If you want Microsoft to get your message, this is the wrong place
since the appropriate people at Microsoft may never see your message.

--
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