bad news for Firefox and KDE....

[FirstName LastName]

Nope. You just dislike what I say.

But I do. Keep it on.

 

[kenny]

It existed, it did not flourish, since like the old computers, it was the
tool of
the computer geeks alone.
Now you have children and retired people, with no prior knowledge and
haven't spend 5 years of their life studying computer languages using
computers with windows with great ease. You cant say that about linux.

I have taught a 5 year old child (the youngest) and a 85 year old man (the
oldest) to use the computer... they did quite well.

If I had to teach them on a linux platform it would take more time, more
effort, and
in the end they would be doing less things.

case closed!

 

[kenny]

There is no argument. You're an idiot.

Sorry to tell you this, but I am most probably far smarter than you.

 

[Gary R. Schmidt]

You are correct. There would be an internet with no one on it! lol
Oh there would be the nix administators sending emails to eachother asking
"where did everyone go"?


And talking about that, you forget that the internet would not have been
developed so much in the first place if there was not a platform that was
easy to use
(windows) for more people to join the internet. The internet boom came
because of the popularity of windows, and people who had learn the basic
skills so they could
take the step and connect.

Therefore with no windows, there would be no internet for unix machines to
serve. The internet is clearly a windows revolution, the unix machines are
the servents (servers).

Pardon?

The Internet existed long before Microsoft was even a vague idea in Bill
and Paul's heads.

In fact, Bill was asked to leave Harvard because he (and an unidentified
other bloke) were caught in the IMP room, twice. (You do know what an
IMP was, don't you? Any attempt to talk about the internet in an
historical context by someone who doesn't know what an IMP was is laughable)

For that matter, how was I able to use the internet for all those years
from VAX/VMS systems, and AOS/VS systems, and MPE systems (as well as
many UNIX variants) and so forth long before there was a TCP/IP stack
for _any_ MS OS?

Cheers,
Gary B-)

 

[Gary R. Schmidt]

Al Klein wrote:



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

*nix strikes me as being like an idiot savant. Set it down, give it one
task to do over and over and over and leave it alone and it does just
fine. Internet servers are one example.

Ask it to do something it's never seen before and it's lost. Windows,
especially XP, is highly adaptive. For example, Windows solved the
missing or odd driver problem years ago. *nix is still floundering.

Just my take, I'm sure you have your own.

So I must be hallucinating about all the various UNIX systems I've
worked on and with over the decades that have run publishing systems and
databases and telephone systems and email systems and games servers and
NNTP and document repositories and archives and workflow systems and so
on and so on...?

Cheers,
Gary B-)

 

[kenny]

Repost!

It existed, it did not flourish, since like the old computers, it was the
tool of the computer geeks alone.
Now you have children and retired people, with no prior knowledge and
haven't spend 5 years of their life studying computer languages using
computers with windows with great ease. You cant say that about linux.

I have taught a 5 year old child (the youngest) and a 85 year old man (the
oldest) to use the computer... they did quite well.

If I had to teach them on a linux platform it would take more time, more
effort, and
in the end they would be doing less things.

case closed!

 

[kenny]

I am sure you live in a world of your own, since you tend to ignore whats
really happening out there. I am talking about the masses.. not one computer
geek that knows all about *nix

 

[=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=BBQ=AB?=]

Now you have children and retired people, with no prior knowledge
and haven't spend 5 years of their life studying computer
languages using computers with windows with great ease. You cant
say that about linux.

Yes you can.

I have taught a 5 year old child (the youngest) and a 85 year old
man (the oldest) to use the computer... they did quite well.
IYO.

If I had to teach them on a linux platform it would take more
time, more effort, and in the end they would be doing less things.

Of course, but that's because you know almost nothing about how to use
Linux.

 

[kenny]

Windows solved a lot of problems.

These blind linux worshipers, have no idea that the reason they are sitting
now
chatting away on the internet on a computer that they can afford ( I am
talking about the hardware cost), even if it is running linux, is because
the popularity of windows. Its ease of use made far more people use the
internet and made prices go down for the hardware.

Linux is free
But windows saves you money on the long run. Large amounts of money by
making
everything more affordable, more accessible, and plunging the industry
towards further advancements.

But they cannot see further than their nose... what do you expect.

 

[kenny]

Linux is free...but there is a tremendus hidden cost in it that is not
apparent at first.

Windows gives everyone back more than you put in it, in the long run.
I am talking about the advancment of computers worldwide and the price drop
of
everything that has to do with computers.

We would not have 500 $ computers now if it was not for windows.
Doesnt that save you say about 100.000 dollars for a computer of these
standards (if tit existed) would cost if there was only *.nix used by a few
geeks.

You might say that there unix has a gui now , kde and gnome and some
others...
well that would not have been advanced either if it was not for windows.

Bill Gates changed the world...

 

[Gary R. Schmidt]

It existed, it did not flourish, since like the old computers, it was the
tool of
the computer geeks alone.

If that is what you meant to say, then you should have said it.

Now you have children and retired people, with no prior knowledge and
haven't spend 5 years of their life studying computer languages using
computers with windows with great ease. You cant say that about linux.

No, _you_ can't say it about Linux. Many others can and do (and have).

I have taught a 5 year old child (the youngest) and a 85 year old man (the
oldest) to use the computer... they did quite well.

Well, I've taught the following OSes to non-computer-type people of ages
from ~10 to ~75: VMS, 4BSD, Dynix, DomainOS, CTOS, HPUX, RSX-11, UNIX
System III, UNIX System V, AIX, MS/PC-DOS, SCO Xenix, SCO UNIX,
UNIXWare, and others.

They seemed to get it pretty well, after an hour or three. (Yes, I
_haven't_ taught any Linux variants to non-computer types, but from a
user viewpoint, the UNIX variants are close enough to each other and
Linux to make no difference)

If I had to teach them on a linux platform it would take more time, more
effort, and
in the end they would be doing less things.

Says more about your limitations (and/or that of your students) than the
operating system.

case closed!

Not even vaguely.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

 

[Daniel Mandic]

I am sure you live in a world of your own, since you tend to ignore
whats really happening out there. I am talking about the masses.. not
one computer geek that knows all about *nix

Your flames against Linux helps nothing.

I follow the Paths of Bill Gates, alias Microsoft, since my first
contacts with (unaffordable for me at that time) Homecomputer.
I remember, any known HC Manufacturer (ATARI, AMIGA, Commodore for
example) used Microsoft Software. Mostly Programming-Software.

Much earlier since I "really" recognised who and what is Microsoft and
Mr. Gates.
I think it was in the early nineties, when I checked... aha, MS-DOS 3.3
etc.. windows 16bit etc...

Nothing against Linux, but I think it is not so old as MS and
Intel/IBM-PC based machines. I prefer DOS/NT. And, IBM-PC is a Computer
and not an arcade/action gaming platform, as it is massively misused -
IMO. My old HC I have, have a better and smoother animation and I don´t
need hundreds of watts. My PC uses merely 100W (That´s computing 12/24
approx. ;-))




Kind Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Bill Turner]

Then you should be able to explain how the internet existed prior to
Windows!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Until the Netscape browser became available for Windows, the internet
was a haven for geeks only. I was one... used Pine/Unix for email but
hated it. Gave it up instantly when Windows programs became available.
Bill G may be a crook and should be doing jail time for monopolistic
avarice, but he knows what most people want in their computers. *nix
folks are only just now figuring that out. Better late than never, I
suppose.

Mr Bill

 

[Bill Turner]

The Internet existed long before Microsoft was even a vague idea in
Bill and Paul's heads.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Long before? I don't think so.

The term "internet" was first used in 1974, MS sold its first product
in February, 1975, but Gates and Allen's collaboration had been going
on well before that.

Mr Bill

 

[Bill Turner]

Linux is free...but there is a tremendus hidden cost in it that is
not apparent at first.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Truer words were never spoken. I wish I had back all the hours I wasted
trying to get that damned *nix to work right. I'm no fan of Bill G's
business ethics, but he knows what his customers want and they flocked
to his products in droves.

When 95% of computer buyers choose to spend ~$100 vs something they
could get for free, the message is clear. To all except *nix people, of
course.

Mr Bill

 

[David]

Sorry to tell you this, but I am most probably far smarter than you.

Quiet, modest and unassuming as well.
--
David
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E-mail: justdas at iinet dot net dot au

 

[David]

It existed, it did not flourish, since like the old computers, it was the
tool of
the computer geeks alone.

I don't consider myself to be a geek and you sound very young and
brash.

Now you have children and retired people, with no prior knowledge and
haven't spend 5 years of their life studying computer languages using
computers with windows with great ease. You cant say that about linux.

I can. I have taught on both the Windows and Linux platforms. Both
were equally easy to absorb for beginners. The people who had most
trouble were those who had started on one platform and then tried to
switch to the other.

I have taught a 5 year old child (the youngest) and a 85 year old man (the
oldest) to use the computer... they did quite well.
Bravo!

If I had to teach them on a linux platform it would take more time, more
effort, and
in the end they would be doing less things.

case closed!

Only because you don't have the knowledge and experience to properly
instruct on both platforms. Stick to your Windows but don't abuse
those who prefer a more flexible and powerful operating system.

When you have the same experience as I then you can start to criticise
both systems for their failings. Yes, they both have failings.
Windows, in my opinion, just has more than any of the various unices.

And stop top posting please. Removing .sig lines is also good
netiquette.
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David
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[David]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Long before? I don't think so.

The term "internet" was first used in 1974, MS sold its first product
in February, 1975, but Gates and Allen's collaboration had been going
on well before that.

Mr Bill

When did Gates first show any interest in communications?
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[David]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Truer words were never spoken. I wish I had back all the hours I wasted
trying to get that damned *nix to work right. I'm no fan of Bill G's
business ethics, but he knows what his customers want and they flocked
to his products in droves.

When 95% of computer buyers choose to spend ~$100 vs something they
could get for free, the message is clear. To all except *nix people, of
course.

Mr Bill

Most computer buyers were never given any choice or informed about the
availability of any alternative. MS penalised dealers who did NOT
place MS-DOS and/or Windows on every machine from the early eighties
to, at least. the mid nineties here in Australia when such action was
forbidden by the ACCC. Were you ever offerred a choice between MS-DOS
or DR-DOS? I'll bet you were barely aware that DR-DOS existed or that
it was far superior in features to MS-DOS.

MS bought advertising and comment in every computer magazine and
insisted that many of them exclude any comment about any other OS on
pain of losing the very lucrative advertising deal. Maybe it was never
spelt out but it was certainly implied and acted upon.

Even today most computer retailers assume that you need a copy of
Windows and never even mention the existence of any alternative. In
some cases the employees/owners don't even know there is an
alternative. So computer buyers do not get to choose "to spend ~$100
vs something they could get for free"

You yourself WILL NOT recommend the free alternative because of your
assumption that MS will suit their needs better. Of course this is
because you have insufficient knowledge of the opposition,
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[Al Klein]

You are correct. There would be an internet with no one on it!

No, there'd be a lot of intranets, but they wouldn't be connected
(which is what "internet" means - a neteork of smaller networks)
because the "connectors" run *nix. Just about every single one of
them that don't run proprietary OSs.

Oh there would be the nix administators sending emails to eachother asking
"where did everyone go"?

Except the emails wouldn't leave the buildings.

And talking about that, you forget that the internet would not have been
developed so much in the first place if there was not a platform that was
easy to use (windows) for more people to join the internet.

Wrong, oh ye of little memory. The internet was developed on two
platforms, neither of which was a graphic one. It was pretty much
UUnet and ARPAnet combined at the beginning, with a few smaller
(text-based) internetworks.

Windows *joined* an already existing internet.

The internet boom

Oh, the boom. You were just claiming that the *development itself*
happened because of Windows. Any more horses you want to switch to
while you're between banks?

came because of the popularity of windows

And you talk as if that was a good thing.

Therefore with no windows, there would be no internet

Since the internet existed before Windows did, that's nonsense.

The internet is clearly a windows revolution

And you clearly don't know what you're prattling on about.