bad news for Firefox and KDE....

[Al Klein]

I know that "some" people can use linux machines to do work. But the
programs they use are made specifically for the task. For example, animated 3d movie
renderings are done on linux clusters now. But this is not opensource, since
the technology developed for the rendering belongs to the studios.

And MS Office *is* open source?

You're comparing apples to ducks and burning straw men wholesale. Why
don't you just quit qhile you're behind, so you don't get behinder?

In other words this is a small minority you are talking about.

Of course, the VAST MAJORITY of open source software is written for
linux, but don't let the facts confuse you.

 

[Al Klein]

An open source OS will always be more immune

Is this one of the 10 commandments? Where did you obtain this information
about the future? A time traveler perhaps?
Because it seems like hogwash to me!

It would, since you're so incapable of even common sense - which is
all that was. You don't keep things secure by hiding them, you keep
them secure by making sure that everyone can see what's happening.

Which is more secure? A house hidden behind trees and underbrush, or
one built in a large clearing? Think about it.

 

[Al Klein]

I wouldnt like to have only IE
I am just pointing out that firefox has its own share of problems.

Which is totally irrelevant to any discussion about Windows vs. linux.

 

[Al Klein]

You would be amazed to know this, but in countries where they have no way to
close their windows or doors (probably because they live in huts) there are
no buglers.

Only since burglary isn't considered a crime.

If we made it okay to kill people there wouldn't be any murder.

Don't believe what you read - if you read twice as well as you write,
you don't understand half of what you read.

 

[Al Klein]

Sorry to tell you this, but I am most probably far smarter than you.

Sorry to tell you this, but that's probably not true if you're aiming
it at a human being.

 

[Al Klein]

Al Klein wrote:

I wonder if that is really true.

If I were a hacker, an open source OS would look to me like a house
with all the windows open and the door unlocked.

An open source OS is like a house with no locks ... and an armed guard
behind every door and window.

As soon as someone finds a hole to exploit, 200 programmers write a
fix to the hole. Pretty soon there aren't any more easily-exploitable
holes (which are the only ones the script-kiddies can exploit). And
there usually aren't any holes-by-sloppy-error to begin with anyway -
as there always are with Windows.

Contrast that to MS's record two hundred and how many days now, and no
patch for a gaping hole?

 

[Al Klein]

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*nix strikes me as being like an idiot savant. Set it down, give it one
task to do over and over and over and leave it alone and it does just
fine. Internet servers are one example.

Ask it to do something it's never seen before and it's lost. Windows,
especially XP, is highly adaptive. For example, Windows solved the
missing or odd driver problem years ago. *nix is still floundering.

Just my take, I'm sure you have your own.

I do - that yours is terribly naive. My router does all sorts of new
things all the time - and it's pure linux. Drivers? There's one for
every single piece of hardware I own - most of which were bought for
Windows boxes. I have absolutely no idea what you mean by "Windows
solved the missing or odd driver problem years ago. *nix is still
floundering."

Oh - I still have a few devices that have no properly-operating
Windows drivers, or drivers that don't always work. Not so in linux,
where I have drivers that work for those devices (or linux doesn;t
need drivers for them).

 

[Al Klein]

I am sure you live in a world of your own, since you tend to ignore whats
really happening out there. I am talking about the masses.. not one computer
geek that knows all about *nix

The masses are uneducated *users*. So what?

If all auto mechanics were to retire tomorrow, your car wouldn't last
long. (For the thinking-impaired, that means that if all *nix geeks
were to retire tomorrow, you'd have no internet to play on.)

 

[Al Klein]

Windows solved a lot of problems.

These blind linux worshipers, have no idea that the reason they are sitting now
chatting away on the internet on a computer that they can afford ( I am
talking about the hardware cost), even if it is running linux, is because
the popularity of windows. Its ease of use made far more people use the
internet and made prices go down for the hardware.

So those of is (and there were many, many thousands) who were running
bulletin boards, publishing systems, etc., when Bill Gates was running
home from high school to play with computers in his garage - LONG
before PARC had invented Windows (you thought Gates invented it?) -
are remembering something that never happened, is that your position?

Linux is free
But windows saves you money on the long run. Large amounts of money by
making everything more affordable, more accessible, and plunging the industry
towards further advancements.

Windows doesn't run on the LARGEST class of computers in the world -
imbedded systems.

 

[Al Klein]

It existed, it did not flourish

Stop telling us how it was before you were born, Kenny - it just makes
you look foolish to those of us who lived through it, and know that
you're full of hot air.

I have taught a 5 year old child (the youngest) and a 85 year old man (the
oldest) to use the computer... they did quite well.

If I had to teach them on a linux platform it would take more time, more
effort, and in the end they would be doing less things.

Shows how little you know about computers. A browser is the same,
regardless of theplatform it's running on. An email program is the
same, regardless of theplatform it's running on. A word processor is
the same, regardless of theplatform it's running on. Neither of those
people learned how to interface a program with the OS, you taught them
to use applications, that's all.

Sitting in a car doesn't mean that you learned how a 4 cycle internal
combustion engine works.

case closed!

It sure is - you don't have a clue. In fact, you couldn't rent a clue
for 5 minutes if we gave you the keys to Ft. Knox.

 

[Al Klein]

Of course, but that's because you know almost nothing about how to use
Linux.

Kenny knows so little about computers that I can't say how little -
the granularity of a post is a whole pixel.

 

[Al Klein]

Repost!

It sounds even more silly the second time.

 

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As soon as someone finds a hole to exploit, 200 programmers write
a fix to the hole. Pretty soon there aren't any more
easily-exploitable holes (which are the only ones the
script-kiddies can exploit).

IME, this generally happens even before any malicious hackers exploit
it. An awful lot of the bugs are noticed by package maintainers for
various distros; those maintainers either patch and submit the patch
back upstream or, if they can't do that, report the problem upstream
where it immediately gets the attention it needs.

 

[Bill Turner]

Which is more secure? A house hidden behind trees and underbrush, or
one built in a large clearing? Think about it.

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Which is more secure? A house nobody can find and wouldn't know how to
get into if they did or a house with swarms of people around it,
looking in the windows and testing the doors?

Your analogy sucks.

Mr Bill

 

[Marten Kemp]

It would, since you're so incapable of even common sense - which is
all that was. You don't keep things secure by hiding them, you keep
them secure by making sure that everyone can see what's happening.

Which is more secure? A house hidden behind trees and underbrush, or
one built in a large clearing? Think about it.

The house in the clearing. A good field of fire makes it
easier to shoot anyone that makes it through the minefield.
After a while the skeletons in the yard will warn off
the eternal optimists,

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[Gary R. Schmidt]

I am sure you live in a world of your own, since you tend to ignore whats
really happening out there. I am talking about the masses.. not one computer
geek that knows all about *nix

And no doubt the various other people I work with (and have worked with)
are also figments of my foetid imagination, as are the memories that we
have developed software across a range of Operating Systems that
includes PC/MS-DOS (all the way back to 1.0 on the original IBM-PC) and
Windows 1, 2, 3, NT, 2K, XP, 2K3, not to mention Mac and Lisa and IIe,
and Perkin-Elmer and VAXen, and PDP-11, and Unisons and Wombats and
Burroughs and the list goes on.

Oh, and I am not a geek, I am a nerd, if you don't mind. :->

Cheers,
Gary B-)

 

[Gary R. Schmidt]

Gary R. Schmidt wrote:



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Long before? I don't think so.

The term "internet" was first used in 1974, MS sold its first product
in February, 1975, but Gates and Allen's collaboration had been going
on well before that.

I consider that the internet started when they turned on ARPAnet, that's
1969, and to me 6 years is a long time.

In 1973 (not 1974), Bob Kahn started talking about the "internet
problem", and Vinton Cerf started thinking about what we now call a
"gateway".

Cheers,
Gary B-)

 

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I consider that the internet started when they turned on ARPAnet,
that's 1969, and to me 6 years is a long time.

In 1973 (not 1974), Bob Kahn started talking about the "internet
problem", and Vinton Cerf started thinking about what we now call
a "gateway".

But according to kenny, the internet was "only an experimental thing"
in the 1980s and 1990s. Surely you'll admit that kenny's a greater
authority than Vint Cerf or Bob Kahn?

 

[Bill Turner]

I consider that the internet started when they turned on ARPAnet,
that's 1969, and to me 6 years is a long time.

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If they are the same, why a different name?

Mr Bill

 

[Mike Andrade]

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If they are the same, why a different name?

It's kinda like idiot and moron. Same thing, different names.

--
Mike

"Progress might have been all right once, but it has gone on too
long."
- Ogden Nash