bad news for Firefox and KDE....

[Morten Skarstad]

kenny skrev:

Yes, however.. there were not so many viruses with Java before firefox!
They saw that people started getting smart and using firefox to access their
sites,
and they were immune to active X viruses and exploits, so the made Java
ones!

So if there was no firefox, there would be no increase of java viruses.

That's interesting. So what you are saying is that the best way to
prevent burglars from crawling in through your windows is to leave the
door wide open?

 

[Steve H]

I don't understand why you are so loyal to a multi-billion dollar company
that is trying to control the computing world with Gestapo-like tactics,
unless you are on their payroll.

I have spotted a Godwinism and I claim my five pounds.

 

[Bob Adkins]

What makes you think people don't understand that? People
understand it fine, but they also generally understand that
Microsoft's record of patching things quickly and effectively is
much worse than other organizations'.

Windows is used by the better part of a billion people world wide on as many
different computer configurations. Every Windows customer would get upset if
MS patched the OS and it broke their favorite program. I guess it's better
for MS to be slow and careful, and annoy a few thousand than to be fast and
reckless and break a million programs. Another thing not considered is that
most Windows users are not techno-geek's. I bet 7 out of 10 Windows users
don't even know what a patch is, and don't care. All they want from Windows
is for it work perfectly 100% of the time, in spite of armies of hackers
trying to prevent it.

Making a mistake when patching a Linux distribution would only affect a
small circle of dedicated, knowledgeable enthusiasts. It would hardly have
any world-wide repercussions in the business world.

That's my guess on why MS is slower to release patches. Take it with a grain
of salt, because my guessing average is not too great.

 

[Bob Adkins]

You fool!

Don't be so hard on people Kenny. Jealousy and distrust of large, wealthy
corporations is normal. Also, it's even healthy to take a poke at the big
guy once in a while.

OTOH, MS has plenty of real faults to take a poke at without making stuff
up. Their product cycle is abysmal. But I can even [sort of] understand
that. They work like mad and try to release Vista in 2005, and suddenly
brand new technology emerges that MS must incorporate. It's a never-ending
battle, because computer technology is exploding.

Same with patches. Because MS is so large and rich, people think that normal
problems somehow do not apply to them. People don't understand that patching
OS vulnerabilities can create issues with compatibility, performance, and
even other vulnerabilities. Thorough testing takes a lot of time.

 

[kenny]

Your guess is correct. At last! A logical person!

 

[Mike Andrade]

Making a mistake when patching a Linux distribution would only
affect a small circle of dedicated, knowledgeable enthusiasts. It
would hardly have any world-wide repercussions in the business
world.

That's my guess on why MS is slower to release patches. Take it
with a grain of salt, because my guessing average is not too
great.

Completely wrong and utterly ill-informed, but don't let anything
nasty like "facts" get in your way.

--
Mike

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn
from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent
disinclination to do so."
- Douglas Adams

 

[Mike Andrade]

Your guess is correct. At last! A logical person!

Nope. An idiot who doesn't have a clue. Just like you.

 

[David]

If firefox had some kind of protection against it, like IE now has for
active X
then the problem would be solved since the hackers would not have an easy
way to intrude with Java. Thus there would be no increase in java attacks!

Simple. Just do as you would do with IE. Turn Java off in the browser.
--
David
Remove "farook" to reply
At the bottom of the application where it says
"sign here". I put "Sagittarius"
E-mail: justdas at iinet dot net dot au

 

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Windows is used by the better part of a billion people world wide
on as many different computer configurations. Every Windows
customer would get upset if MS patched the OS and it broke their
favorite program.

I agree, and Windows users /have/ gotten pretty mad when they've
released patches which broke things. But I wasn't talking about taking
a couple of weeks to test a patch, I was talking about taking many
months or not releasing a patch at all.

Making a mistake when patching a Linux distribution would only
affect a small circle of dedicated, knowledgeable enthusiasts. It
would hardly have any world-wide repercussions in the business
world.

You ignore the server market when you deny world-wide repercussions in
the business world. Distributors /do/ check out bugfixes from
upstream before releasing them. The many eyes/many testers phenomenon
just makes the process faster than other models. And those who apply a
fix before it's been tested know what they're getting into.

 

[kenny]

Yes I have firefox with java and javascript disabled for the dirty work...

and Avant browser for doing REAL browsing!

 

[Craig]

I have spotted a Godwinism and I claim my five pounds.

Too damned funny. Learn something new everyday. "Godwinism." Btw, I
don't deal with /fascistic/ currencies so, the 5 pounds will have to be
its worth in Guinness.

Meet you at the Poet & Patriot, 6pm, Santa Cruz CA.

-Craig

 

[Bernd Schmitt]

On 20.01.2006 21:04, kenny wrote:
[blabla]

Linux is NOT immune!

you funny m$-troll.
kde and firefox can be used under windows as well ...
if i update my gnu/linux-boxes, all installed progs & libraries are
updated to the newest state.
*this* is security service.
at work, our admin is able to apply inofficial patches if needed.
this is the advantage of open source.

it is not about immunity.
it is about response time, service and options.


Bernd

 

[Al Klein]

Remember Commodore? Radio Shack Trs-80? In the old days, the operating
system was on a chip. Virus? Har Har Such might come across the
internet for the moment, but, turn off the computer, turn on again ...
no more virus. Aren't we being told that the next Windows OS might be
RAM based, booting up from chips? Sounds like full-circle to me.

TRS-80 booted from a chip, but it loaded TRS-DOS from disk, the same
as Windows, Linux, etc. The Commodore ran in ROM, but its DOS was
pretty anemic.

We had a full system that RAN from ROM - it's currently running in the
planetarium in the Hong Kong Space Museum (unless someone redid the
system in the 28 years since we installed it). The OS was relocated
to ROM, but it used RAM in the normal way. (Operating systems ALL
used to be user-assemblable - even most of CP/M was available in
source.)

 

[Joe P]

My problem with MS and patches is that they refuse to do it right. Many
times you run Windows Update and it lists several updates. Sometimes
they require you to install one by itself, then reboot, then come back
to get the rest. Other times they require you to stop and agree to not
only one but often several different license agreements. Frequently a
careful reading of the licenses limits you or forces you to give up
rights to get a security update. MS used to require you to enable BITS
and other services just for Windows Update and they weren't needed for
anything else to function correctly.

The update process should allow you to just click once and run all
available updates. No stopping for license restrictions, no forced
reboots, no returning after one patch to get others available at the
same time. No requirement to allow them to suck up your bandwidth
downloading in the background unless you choose.

After apt-get and the updater that Lycoris had, I will always consider
Windows broken until MS can make their updates that easy.

 

[dszady]

Top posting fixed.

kenny wrote: [...]

Linux is NOT immune!

{..]

kenny, just use Linux on another partition for awhile and make an
intelligent decision. Intelligent would not make you such a target.
Unless you want it that way.
Damn it! I responded to a rare Windows TROLL.

I have had linux on partitions for years, and on vmware.. I still do.

and my very intelligent opinion is that it still stinks!
Im no windows troll. You think everyone who has a different opinion than
yourself,
to be a troll? Wow...

talk about intelligence!

Sorry you have had/have so much trouble with Linux. At least you have
tried it, which is something I had not realized before.
So keep on bitching about Linux, kenny. You have earned it....

Opinions aren't set in stone are they?
You know, when my own opinion differs from the other opinion I may have
on the same subject, I am either a troll or a hypocrite.

Thank you for your time and patience.

 

[Mike Andrade]

You know, when my own opinion differs from the other opinion I may
have on the same subject, I am either a troll or a hypocrite.

Try again.

 

[kenny]

I have not had any trouble with linux...ever

Its not good enough to replace my current desktop OS. Its more out of
curiosity
that I have used it, and so I can expand my knowledge.

I just cant stand people saying linux is great and windows is not.

I also just point out that if linux was used by many, viruses and exploits
would
come out for it also.

So there is really no immune OS.

Top posting fixed.

kenny wrote: [...]
Linux is NOT immune!

{..]

kenny, just use Linux on another partition for awhile and make an
intelligent decision. Intelligent would not make you such a target.
Unless you want it that way.
Damn it! I responded to a rare Windows TROLL.

I have had linux on partitions for years, and on vmware.. I still do.

and my very intelligent opinion is that it still stinks!
Im no windows troll. You think everyone who has a different opinion than
yourself,
to be a troll? Wow...

talk about intelligence!

Sorry you have had/have so much trouble with Linux. At least you have
tried it, which is something I had not realized before.
So keep on bitching about Linux, kenny. You have earned it....

Opinions aren't set in stone are they?
You know, when my own opinion differs from the other opinion I may have
on the same subject, I am either a troll or a hypocrite.

Thank you for your time and patience.

 

[kenny]

I am no troll you stupid oaf!

My comments about firefox had nothing to do with the platform.
I am commenting because many people think that it is superior to other
browsers
and is totally secure. I just come up to say that it can be compromised just
as any program.

As for the linux and KDE... while it may be able to run KDE on windows
(using cygwin I presume?),
the number of people doing it is tremendously limited. KDE is tied with unix
and linux.

I do not say that some elements of linux are not good. However overall it
just stinks for desktop use! Move your magic want and replace windows for
linux on every machine out there... and NOTHING will be done! Productivity
will fall, people will be crying out for dismay... jumping off office
buildings and the sort.
Furthermore it can be compromized just like any OS if hackers wanted to. If
it was used by more people it would have been.

There is a reason why even though linux is free, it is still being much
ignored by the majority of users.

BECAUSE IT STINKS! Or as triumph the insult comic dog would say... "its
great, its fantastic... FOR ME TO POOP ON!"

On 20.01.2006 21:04, kenny wrote:
[blabla]

Linux is NOT immune!

you funny m$-troll.
kde and firefox can be used under windows as well ...
if i update my gnu/linux-boxes, all installed progs & libraries are
updated to the newest state.
*this* is security service.
at work, our admin is able to apply inofficial patches if needed.
this is the advantage of open source.

it is not about immunity.
it is about response time, service and options.


Bernd

 

[kenny]

Computers should be able to boot instantly like my spectrum 48 K did
And it will happen. Hard disks are noisy mechanical devices. once a new
technology
will be able to replace it on a large scale they will follow the dinosaurs.

Now windows will be able to use flash disks as ram...
also have a new way to turn of called "sleep" that will be interesting.
It will be a combination of hibernation and standby meanding that it will go
to standby AND save the data on the disk as hibernation did. So even if
power goes down while in standby the data will boot from the hibernation.

 

[FirstName LastName]

Computers should be able to boot instantly like my spectrum 48 K did

Hey, you idiot, STOP TOP POSTING!