A SAD SAD REALIZATION

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Justin

Adam Albright said:
Funny how quick you turn on people Justin once they know the real you
which is self-important dumb as a doorknob, know-nothing dweeb with a
over active imagination.

I didn't turn on him. You are wrong.
All you do is talk out your ass. You don't know s..t.

You are wrong.

UNIX is over 25 years old. According to you it is dead or dying. Yet
it remains one of the most popular operating systems on main frames.

Closer to 40. You are not quit right.

UNIX as it was 25+ years ago is not how it is today. You are wrong.

A dead end that has an install base in excess of 300 million users
world wide. Of course Justin knows better.

The amount of users has nothing to do with the fact that MS can't go
anywhere with XP. What do you mean "I know better"? Obviously so does MS
seeing as how they took many different directions with Vista. "I" only know
what MS tells us about their strategy. You are wrong.
Too bad Microsoft didn't consult you for your expert opinion I guess.
<snicker>

Read above. You are wrong.
You're really an amusing little chatterbox. Of course Justin no doubt
needs to indulge his Walter Mitty fantasy where he imagines everybody
in this newsgroup is sitting breathless on the edge of their chairs
waiting for him to tell us his opinion on everything from cars, to
Linux, to Vista and where Mimcrosoft made mistakes and everything
in-between. Priceless!

Troll on adam, Troll on!
 
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Stephan Rose

Justin said:
Depends on the car. Now hit a truck @ 30MPH. Which do you want now? ;p

Compared to a bike...they all are. Even lamborghini's can just barely match
a liter bike on a roadcourse and the car actually has the advantage there
as it can corner with far more G's than a bike can.

Swinging the rear end around on a bike generally results in bad things
happening to the bike and rider =P

And as far as the hit goes, it actually depends where and how. There are
accident scenarios where I'd actually prefer the bike as I don't like the
thought of being crushed like tuna in a tin can.
I disagree. They fixed the desktop experience and supposedly drivers
can't bring down the whole OS down.

Well I'll say that the desktop experience is largely subjective. =) I found
the XP experience perfectly fine as it was in no need of fixing.

I'll give you the driver thing too...although I don't recall ever having a
problem in that department with XP and any of the hardware I have used.

Might be though because I only use reputable hardware and not 19.95 crap
from wal-mart...
Oh yes I do. Extended warranties! You'll pay through the nose for an
Amaerican bumper to bumper but they're out there.

Oh sure, if you want to pay more money than it would cost you to just fix
the problem when it occured. I agree. =)

Warranties are there for the company that issues them to make money off you
after all =P
Even if that was the case then that's still the option over used. Who
gives or continues 100,000 mile warranties with used cars?

Unless the powertrain warranty has some bullshit "original-owner only"
clause it should be in affect no matter if the car is used or not since it
is a factory warranty, not a purchased aftermarket.

So as long as the car has less than 100k, it shouldn't matter.

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HEMI-Powered

Today, Adam Albright made these interesting comments ...
All you do is talk out your ass. You don't know s..t.


UNIX is over 25 years old. According to you it is dead or
dying. Yet it remains one of the most popular operating
systems on main frames.


A dead end that has an install base in excess of 300 million
users world wide. Of course Justin knows better.

This was MY point. I see NO good business reason for MS to do
that, but can think of a dozen reasons why they should not.
Too bad Microsoft didn't consult you for your expert opinion I


You're really an amusing little chatterbox. Of course Justin
no doubt needs to indulge his Walter Mitty fantasy where he
imagines everybody in this newsgroup is sitting breathless on
the edge of their chairs waiting for him to tell us his
opinion on everything from cars, to Linux, to Vista and where
Mimcrosoft made mistakes and everything in-between. Priceless!
Let's fall back on everyone's First Amendment rights to free
speech, all the way around. It isn't feasible in my mind to
generalize on anything as complex as a full-boat system comprised
of HW, O/S, and application SW so I prefer to stay in learning
mode and make my own decision when the time comes.
 
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HEMI-Powered

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
It may not be a "match" but the survival rate is much higher
for the people inside.

Crash energy varies as the square of speed, and F=MA says a 7,000
pound truck/suv hitting a 3,500 pound mid-size car will impart
twice the force, almost like a billiard ball.
Question, I've seen "wrt" in a few of your posts? What gives?

Laziness. wrt = with respect to
True, however the engine that died on me was $8,000 to
replace. No contest when comparing car warranties and retail
outlet extended plans. I think of it more as extra insurance.
Although I had to go with the used engine option.

Curious, what vehicle, how many months/years in service, and how
many miles?
As for computer hardware, I guess consumers need to evaluate
their own level of "reparability" when it comes to computers
and decide from there.


Absolutely! Right back to weigh your options. On a side
note, that engine went out before the two year mark. Not
common but it's there.

I reply in serial, didn't see this. Don't understand how a
catastrophic failure only 2 years in would have cost you 8 bills.
Why didn't the standard warranty take care of it?

I talked at length in the other place on the 3 main definitions
of "quality". I would've thought this one was in "reliability",
which is often taken to mean "things are supposed to stay working
at least through the warranty period", while "durability" usually
means long-term, e.g. 10 years and 180,000 miles.
 
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Stephan Rose

HEMI-Powered said:
Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...


You wanna discuss Newton's Laws wrt to small objects like a bike
or a sub-compact hitting a 7,000 pound truck? Even a 4,000 pound
car is no match, no matter how many stars it has for its impact
prowess.

No need to discuss it, I've *seen* what happens to a car (2003, give/take a
year, Mustang) when that happens.

Employee of a store we used to have, she was late and turned into the
parking lot in FRONT of our store too hastily. Was impacted on the
passenger side by one of those huge heavy duty trucks.

The passenger door was crushed so far in that it HIT her shoulder...and the
truck was going 40 miles an hour at the very most.

She ended just fine btw...mostly just bruised and scared. But I'd hate to
imagine what a passenger would have looked like if there had been one
sitting there.

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Stephan Rose

HEMI-Powered said:
Today, Stephan Rose made these interesting comments ...

I know you're joking, but I'll put my HEMI up against ANY bike
that can carry 4 people in air conditioned confort as well as as
all the luggage they want to carry along.

Actually I am not joking. =)

I am not talking about a Harley Davidson here ya know =P

Your hemi has more horsepower than my bike, sure. But I still have a far
better power to weight ratio. =)

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Jane C

Personally, I rather stick to bikes. =)

Cars are slow!
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Couldn't agree more :)
2 wheels good, 4 wheels bad ;-)
 
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HEMI-Powered

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
Why would you? Do you assume you'll do that with all new
consumer products?

I don't assume anything because ass/u/me means that when you
assume things, it makes an ass out of u and me. So, if I CAN, I
investigate. But, e.g. when I bought a DVR last year,
investigation was fruitless and I wanted the thing. It came with
a 30-day money back guarantee so I was covered. And, that was a
rare instance of when I bought a 3-year extended warranty.
Absolutely. That sounds a lot like the "extra insurance" I
was talking about in my other post. You could also wait 5
years and be even more stable. If you "want" to draw a line
at SP1 then by all means, that's great. However that's a
"just because" reason.

Nothing is ever "stable" or fully reliable ever. It always goes
out of production before nirvana is reached, if the manufacturer
is even attempting it.
Cars!

Many times I hear people say you should NEVER buy a new model
vehicle. Too many problems, issues, too much "head banging".
We're told to WAIT for at least the second year model.

That was very, very true up until maybe 1990 or so, maybe 1995.
But, in my experience and what I can glean from other people AND
independed studies including Consumer's Reports, problems of
infant mortality are very rare indeed today. Not unheard of, just
rare. Two instance we discussed together was the paint mismatch
on the color I wanted for my Charger; it got fixed with a really
large running change 6 months into the program, so I just waited.
Your example, which I still can neither confirm nor refute is the
alleged bug in the 6.1L HEMI MDS. AFAIK, after doing a fair
amount of digging, is that either MDS was still-born or it came
in late in the model year. But, www.dodge.com doesn't talk about
it at all and the SRT8 CAFE is still 14/20.
Sure there's problems from time to time. However just as with
Vista, there are many happy first year owners. Look at
yourself. Charger, Prowler....Challenger?

My Charger is only 18 months old and has only 11K miles, so I may
be a bad test case,but I have had ZERO problems of any kind. In
fact, looking back over 20 years of company lease cars, I can
count even minor problems on the fingers of one hand (maybe with
the thumb!)
Myself, HHR, Nitro.

You lost me. Your HHR and Nitro are or are not good cars?
Those people are/were full of it. In my case they were dead
wrong. That's why I say each individual person needs to STOP
WAITING and evaluate for themselves now if they think they
might want Vista. You already did that so you're done.
Evaluate, yes. But, a really BIG part of a valid evaluation is to
investigate over a reasonable time period. Two or 3 main ways to
do that are magazines, MS KB, and (maybe) NGs like this one.
 
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HEMI-Powered

Today, Stephan Rose made these interesting comments ...
Compared to a bike...they all are. Even lamborghini's can just
barely match a liter bike on a roadcourse and the car actually
has the advantage there as it can corner with far more G's
than a bike can.

The Laws of Physics say no vehicle can exceed 1G in cornering,
yet it is completely possible, as is exceeding 1G in accel. There
are many reasons, but a big one is deforming the tires with a
compliant suspension. I don't know what the max Gs in a corner
is, but I'd guess at under 2 - could be way off. Don't have a
clue on bikes, except that if you lose it in a car, you MAY roll
the car but most likely just go off the course with small damage
to the car. But, lose it at speed on a bike and it is called DOA.
Swinging the rear end around on a bike generally results in
bad things happening to the bike and rider =P

And as far as the hit goes, it actually depends where and how.
There are accident scenarios where I'd actually prefer the
bike as I don't like the thought of being crushed like tuna in
a tin can.

In 4-wheel vehicles, the easiest way to get dead is to NOT where
your belts and get ejected from the vehicle. But, Newton's F=MA
says that a 7,000 SUV hitting you and a 500 pound bike head on is
gonna transmit one whole lotta energy into the bike, and damage
the SUV hardly at all. Crumple zones in bigger vehicles are
supposed to produce elastic collisions but something that big
hitting somethat that small is very INelastic, ala 2 billiard
balls: the cue ball stops and the object ball gets propelled.
Well I'll say that the desktop experience is largely
subjective. =) I found the XP experience perfectly fine as it
was in no need of fixing.

I'll give you the driver thing too...although I don't recall
ever having a problem in that department with XP and any of
the hardware I have used.

Might be though because I only use reputable hardware and not
19.95 crap from wal-mart...


Oh sure, if you want to pay more money than it would cost you
to just fix the problem when it occured. I agree. =)

Warranties are there for the company that issues them to make
money off you after all =P

Hard to generalize here without knowing specifics, so I won't.
Justin can, he's the one with the experience, not me.
 
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HEMI-Powered

Today, Stephan Rose made these interesting comments ...
Actually I am not joking. =)

I am not talking about a Harley Davidson here ya know =P

I do know enough about bikes to know that NO car, except perhaps
an F-1 race car, can keep up with a max crotch rocket.
Your hemi has more horsepower than my bike, sure. But I still
have a far better power to weight ratio. =)
Power-to-weight is what it is all about. Mine isn't all that
great 340/4050. Read my joking comments about air conditioning
and luggage for 4 people again. I doubt you would get your wife
on that bike while you're going 0-60 in a second and a half,
maybe less.
 
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Eric

Stephan Rose said:
Actually I am not joking. =)

I am not talking about a Harley Davidson here ya know =P

Your hemi has more horsepower than my bike, sure. But I still have a far
better power to weight ratio. =)

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Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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The bike moves much faster than the HEMI with no gas...

Bikes are like computers. A better quality bike and/or better trained rider
gives much better performance.
 
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Justin

No need to discuss it, I've *seen* what happens to a car (2003, give/take
a
year, Mustang) when that happens.

Employee of a store we used to have, she was late and turned into the
parking lot in FRONT of our store too hastily. Was impacted on the
passenger side by one of those huge heavy duty trucks.

The passenger door was crushed so far in that it HIT her shoulder...and
the
truck was going 40 miles an hour at the very most.

She ended just fine btw...mostly just bruised and scared. But I'd hate to
imagine what a passenger would have looked like if there had been one
sitting there.

Or had a bike been hit :)

Oh wait, a biker would have zipped out of there right :)

Bikes are fun, I refuse to be the driver of anything with major power. I do
not trust myself. I'll get myself killed! I've ridden a dirt bike a few
times.
 
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Eric

gls858 said:
buster.... LOL Thanks for the laugh! If you don't have any experience
developing Vista or drivers for Vista your assertion that compatibility
could be retained is simply your opinion. You have no way of knowing what
can and can't be done.
Why won't my carburetor from my 1952 Buick work on my new Buick?
I think they could have kept them compatible. Makes just about as much
sense.

gls858

The carburetor from a 52 Buick fits in any vehicle. If it doesn't go in
smoothly, you may need an adapter. If they don't make an adapter for your
vehicle, you may need to build your own...
 
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Stephan Rose

HEMI-Powered said:
Today, Stephan Rose made these interesting comments ...


I do know enough about bikes to know that NO car, except perhaps
an F-1 race car, can keep up with a max crotch rocket.

Power-to-weight is what it is all about. Mine isn't all that
great 340/4050. Read my joking comments about air conditioning
and luggage for 4 people again. I doubt you would get your wife
on that bike while you're going 0-60 in a second and a half,
maybe less.

Very true, not married after all. =)

There are girls though who have no problem with that. I used to ride with
this one girl occasionally that I could do stuff like that all day long
with her on the back no problem.

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Justin

HEMI-Powered said:
Laziness. wrt = with respect to

Learn something new every day :)
Curious, what vehicle, how many months/years in service, and how
many miles?

The Grand Am. I was past two years and past 38,000 miles. Out of warranty.
I reply in serial, didn't see this. Don't understand how a
catastrophic failure only 2 years in would have cost you 8 bills.
Why didn't the standard warranty take care of it?

Out of warranty. Past 38,000 miles. Remember, this was my warranty lesson
:)

However, as I said, I opted for the used engine option. Lucky for me
someone rear-ended the same year (first year for this engine) and totaled
another Grand Am. I'm not sure if this engine was used elsewhere.

I would've thought this one was in "reliability",
which is often taken to mean "things are supposed to stay working
at least through the warranty period",

Sssshhhh...I sense an American quip nearby :)
 
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Justin

Stephan Rose said:
Actually I am not joking. =)

I am not talking about a Harley Davidson here ya know =P

Your hemi has more horsepower than my bike, sure. But I still have a far
better power to weight ratio. =)

I'd say! 2HP is more then a Pepsi can needs to fly!
 
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Justin

Power-to-weight is what it is all about. Mine isn't all that
great 340/4050. Read my joking comments about air conditioning
and luggage for 4 people again. I doubt you would get your wife
on that bike while you're going 0-60 in a second and a half,
maybe less.

I can't get my wife on the back of a jetski going 20 MPH.
 
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Stephan Rose

HEMI-Powered said:
Today, Stephan Rose made these interesting comments ...


The Laws of Physics say no vehicle can exceed 1G in cornering,
yet it is completely possible, as is exceeding 1G in accel. There
are many reasons, but a big one is deforming the tires with a
compliant suspension. I don't know what the max Gs in a corner
is, but I'd guess at under 2 - could be way off. Don't have a
clue on bikes, except that if you lose it in a car, you MAY roll
the car but most likely just go off the course with small damage
to the car. But, lose it at speed on a bike and it is called DOA.

I honestly don't know the exact numbers either but whatever the max numbers
are, they are higher for cars than for bikes.
In 4-wheel vehicles, the easiest way to get dead is to NOT where
your belts and get ejected from the vehicle. But, Newton's F=MA
says that a 7,000 SUV hitting you and a 500 pound bike head on is
gonna transmit one whole lotta energy into the bike, and damage
the SUV hardly at all. Crumple zones in bigger vehicles are
supposed to produce elastic collisions but something that big
hitting somethat that small is very INelastic, ala 2 billiard
balls: the cue ball stops and the object ball gets propelled.

That doesn't actually necessarily hurt the rider though. I *have* hit a
stationary object at 50 miles an hour before at night time.

Bike flipped in mid-air twice and I got launched a few hundred feet through
the air. Walked away with a few scratches and a few sore muscles for a few
days, largely thanks to my gear I was wearing and knowing how to not hit
the ground like a rock. Bike was actually still skidding by the time I was
back on my feet.

You're generally fine as long as the impact is to the *bike* and not to the
rider in the process. That is the key difference there. If my bike gets hit
and I get thrown off as a result, I'll be allright as long as I don't hit
an object in the process.

To me the most dangerous impacts I can have on a bike are side impacts as
those will hit me physically. Front or rear impacts have a much higher
chance of launching me off the bike without physically hitting me.
Hard to generalize here without knowing specifics, so I won't.
Justin can, he's the one with the experience, not me.

Well any company that sells warranties isn't doing it for the customers good
or they'd go out of business. They are doing it to make money after all.

So ultimately, just like insurance companies, they have to take in more
money than they pay out.

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2003 Yamaha R6

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Adam Albright

True, however the engine that died on me was $8,000 to replace. No contest
when comparing car warranties and retail outlet extended plans. I think of
it more as extra insurance. Although I had to go with the used engine
option.

If you tell any more whoppers you'll have to go work for Burger King.
Much agreed!

But Justin, Google shows that is exactly what you keep doing, ie
making broad sweeping statements about everything then backtracking.
 

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