A SAD SAD REALIZATION

[Justin]

Since you are smart enough to use USEnet, then why did you ignore the
basic rules of OS upgrades?

Simple! There is a consumer product in front of his face. That tells him a
couple things:

1. It works 100% and should never have any problems.
2. It's completely healthy!

Otherwise, it wouldn't be available!

Right?????

:evilgrin:

 

[Plato]

Simple! There is a consumer product in front of his face. That tells him a
couple things:

1. It works 100% and should never have any problems.
2. It's completely healthy!

Sounds like the "Suzanne Summers" Facemaster on "buy" TV. [double grin]

 

[Justin]

Simple! There is a consumer product in front of his face. That tells
him a
couple things:

1. It works 100% and should never have any problems.
2. It's completely healthy!

Sounds like the "Suzanne Summers" Facemaster on "buy" TV. [double grin]

I thought you made a thighmaster joke until I Googled facemaster

We live in a sad, sad world!

 

[Eric]

Mostly the same? Not even close.

I hear they kept the Start menu but removed the word Start and everything
else looks basically the same aside from the Aero theme and new locations
for configuration options. Besides the Alt + Windowskey 3D open application
selection (which I hear you can run a program that does the same thing on
XP) that I keep seeing on their ads, what's so different about the GUI?
What's so "wow" about it? Isn't it the same point and click selecting
applications from a menu? If that's "wow", what will it be when Windows
really does come with VR glove and glasses and finds your files like the
scene from Hackers?

 

[Stephan Rose]

Go back to cars ;p

Personally, I rather stick to bikes. =)

Cars are slow!

They would be a minority. We're talking about technology. Anything 10+
years old is dead or dying. While XP is stable for the most part, it's a
dead end. There is no where to go with it. They made very bad choices
while designing it and there are no ways to go around it. It wasn't
necessarily bad at the time although some would disagree. More of a
hindsight issue.

They may have made bad choices designing XP, but they most certainly didn't
make better ones designing Vista =P

We have one 98 machine because of an old BiSync modem we need to support.
That's the only reason. BiSync data communications is a dying technology.
Thankfully Target is finally getting rid of it. They are the sole purpose
we kept that machine.


This is the weigh your options issue again. I'd rather have a warranty!
100,000 miles of it.

But you don't have 100,000 miles of it. =)

That 100,000 mile warranty is power-train only, which generally translates
to any *lubricated* parts within your engine, transmission and
differential. Those are the parts that are least likely to fail and usually
doesn't include stuff such as sensor failures, etc.

The bumper warranty is likely not more than 30k, *maybe* 60k if you bought
an extended warranty...this is the category that contains your parts most
likely to fail. =)

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[Justin]

Personally, I rather stick to bikes. =)

Cars are slow!

Depends on the car. Now hit a truck @ 30MPH. Which do you want now? ;p

They may have made bad choices designing XP, but they most certainly
didn't
make better ones designing Vista =P

I disagree. They fixed the desktop experience and supposedly drivers can't
bring down the whole OS down.

But you don't have 100,000 miles of it. =)

Oh yes I do. Extended warranties! You'll pay through the nose for an
Amaerican bumper to bumper but they're out there.

That 100,000 mile warranty is power-train only, which generally translates
to any *lubricated* parts within your engine, transmission and
differential. Those are the parts that are least likely to fail and
usually
doesn't include stuff such as sensor failures, etc.

Even if that was the case then that's still the option over used. Who gives
or continues 100,000 mile warranties with used cars?

 

[Justin]

I hear they kept the Start menu but removed the word Start and everything
else looks basically the same aside from the Aero theme and new locations
for configuration options. Besides the Alt + Windowskey 3D open
application selection (which I hear you can run a program that does the
same thing on XP) that I keep seeing on their ads, what's so different
about the GUI? What's so "wow" about it? Isn't it the same point and
click selecting applications from a menu? If that's "wow", what will it
be when Windows really does come with VR glove and glasses and finds your
files like the scene from Hackers?

There's more to everything then looks.

You give a good insight as to what the average joe sees. Which is perfectly
valid.

 

[Plato]

Personally, I rather stick to bikes. =)

With no traffic in 75MPH highways or winding country roads, yeah, great
fun.

 

[Adam Albright]

Where do you ASSume I am? Now you're just trolling. Have fun with that!

Everyone knows what you are Justin. A PHONY that loves to brag and
pontificate.

 

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Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

Go back to cars ;p

Good answer. All that is new is not necessarily good, and you
talk out of both sides of your own mouth. Yes, that's a
judgement, but the First Amendment protects us both, and others.

They would be a minority. We're talking about technology.
Anything 10+ years old is dead or dying.

Define "dead or dying". If it does useful work, but isn't
bleeding edge, what is wrong with that? Yeah, I like cars so
here's another one: YOU get service contracts so you can cost-
effectively drive you vehicles, regardless of make, for 100,
150,200,000 miles, maybe 5, 8, 10, 12+ years. Aren't those
technologically dead or dying? I don't see the distinction. I
have a 10-year-old projection TV; works fine but is pretty old
hat. Is that dead or dying? The answer is , yes all those things
are but they still work. If you wish to spend your money and time
on a new, ostensibly future viable technocracy, then certainly
that is your right.

While XP is stable

for the most part, it's a dead end. There is no where to go
with it. They made very bad choices while designing it and
there are no ways to go around it. It wasn't necessarily bad
at the time although some would disagree. More of a hindsight
issue.

Again, define dead end. My two XP boxes run fine, they'll run
fine a year, 2 years, maybe 5 years from now, and still do what I
want. What is so wrong about that which is fundamentally
different than any other consumer product you own?

We have one 98 machine because of an old BiSync modem we need
to support. That's the only reason. BiSync data
communications is a dying technology. Thankfully Target is
finally getting rid of it. They are the sole purpose we kept
that machine.


This is the weigh your options issue again. I'd rather have a
warranty! 100,000 miles of it.

And, your comments are not "this is the weign of your opinions
issue again" are not YOUR opinion? How come yours has more
"weigh" [sic] than mine? Am I wrong in my "opinion" of you?
Others have an apparently negative view of your "facts" which I
am also refusing to comment on, but you're beginning the run the
ragged edge of telling me I'm full of shit.

 

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Personally, I rather stick to bikes. =)

Cars are slow!

I know you're joking, but I'll put my HEMI up against ANY bike
that can carry 4 people in air conditioned confort as well as as
all the luggage they want to carry along.

They may have made bad choices designing XP, but they most
certainly didn't make better ones designing Vista =P


But you don't have 100,000 miles of it. =)

That 100,000 mile warranty is power-train only, which
generally translates to any *lubricated* parts within your
engine, transmission and differential. Those are the parts
that are least likely to fail and usually doesn't include
stuff such as sensor failures, etc.

The bumper warranty is likely not more than 30k, *maybe* 60k
if you bought an extended warranty...this is the category that
contains your parts most likely to fail. =)

Justin buys extended warranties on his powertrain that I don't
think cover the soft stuff but may cover other componentry. But,
in general, I think you're right. But, this debate is going
nowhere to me. It is at best apples, oranges, pomegranetes,
grapes and some other fruits, and cannot be decided by any
sampling of views herein.

 

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Today, Plato made these interesting comments ...

With no traffic in 75MPH highways or winding country roads,
yeah, great fun.

I think the OP was referring to the near fuel dragster quickness
that modern super bikes can do, albeit on a controlled track and
with an ULTRA-skilled rider aboard. At 0-60 in under 2 seconds and
a standing 1320 in probably under 9, even a minor lack of skill and
they pick you up with a stick and a spoon!

 

[Justin]

Today, Stephan Rose made these interesting comments ...

I know you're joking, but I'll put my HEMI up against ANY bike
that can carry 4 people in air conditioned confort as well as as
all the luggage they want to carry along.
Justin buys extended warranties on his powertrain that I don't
think cover the soft stuff but may cover other componentry. But,
in general, I think you're right. But, this debate is going
nowhere to me. It is at best apples, oranges, pomegranetes,
grapes and some other fruits, and cannot be decided by any
sampling of views herein.

Are you calling me a fruit cake!?!?!

Oh, sorry...someone else has rubbed off on me

Yup, I buy all the warranty I feel is worth the dollar they're charging me.

 

[Adam Albright]

Go back to cars ;p

Funny how quick you turn on people Justin once they know the real you
which is self-important dumb as a doorknob, know-nothing dweeb with a
over active imagination.

They would be a minority. We're talking about technology.

All you do is talk out your ass. You don't know s..t.

Anything 10+ years old is dead or dying.

UNIX is over 25 years old. According to you it is dead or dying. Yet
it remains one of the most popular operating systems on main frames.

While XP is stable for the most part, it's a
dead end.

A dead end that has an install base in excess of 300 million users
world wide. Of course Justin knows better.

There is no where to go with it. They made very bad choices
while designing it and there are no ways to go around it.

Too bad Microsoft didn't consult you for your expert opinion I guess.

It wasn't necessarily bad at the time although some would disagree. More of a
hindsight issue.

You're really an amusing little chatterbox. Of course Justin no doubt
needs to indulge his Walter Mitty fantasy where he imagines everybody
in this newsgroup is sitting breathless on the edge of their chairs
waiting for him to tell us his opinion on everything from cars, to
Linux, to Vista and where Mimcrosoft made mistakes and everything
in-between. Priceless!

 

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Depends on the car. Now hit a truck @ 30MPH. Which do you
want now? ;p

You wanna discuss Newton's Laws wrt to small objects like a bike
or a sub-compact hitting a 7,000 pound truck? Even a 4,000 pound
car is no match, no matter how many stars it has for its impact
prowess.

I disagree. They fixed the desktop experience and supposedly
drivers can't bring down the whole OS down.


Oh yes I do. Extended warranties! You'll pay through the
nose for an Amaerican bumper to bumper but they're out there.


Even if that was the case then that's still the option over
used. Who gives or continues 100,000 mile warranties with
used cars?

And, one can buy extended warranties on both computer HW and the
entire system, although after a point, it is hardly cost-
effective. You, and only you, must judge the cost-effectiveness
of extended warranties for your motor vehicles. For me, cost-
effectiveness is a lease of no more than 24 months. I don't drive
that far/year and like new cars. So, it isn't wise to make
absolute statements about ANY product or service you buy/lease.
It inevitibly opens you up for criticism of both your motives and
your sense. Better to let other people decide for themselves and
keep opinion out of it. Now I DO cite my opinion, but in as non-
confrontational way as I can as being MY opinion of what works
best for ME. I occasionally challenge the sillier assumptions
people make, but those are largely ill-educated newbies, not
those with decades of IT experience. So, before this gets out of
hand, I'd suggest that everyone cool it.

 

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It doesn't have to be certified to work. The software I've
developed is not certified but it works just fine.

Certification is simply a marketing tool. Major developers need
it to sell in today's vicious market. If you're selling software
as a developer of one, you're probably immune to it.

Use other resources as well:

http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.php/Windows_Vista_Software_Co
mpatibility_List



Simple, of the 300+ machines I have at work, I took the top 5
that had Vista drivers. My machine at home, all had Vista
drivers except the 8800GTX until release date and the X-Fi
until the 8th of march (but I didn't find them until later).

See how simple that was! If you don't have drivers yet then
DO NOT upgrade. If you do, then upgrade (or install,
whatever).

Myself, I installed (well, I have many drives) Vista and just
DEALT with the fact that decent video was a no go for a couple
days and have had no sound up until recently. I don't come
here and spam or troll about Vista being a POS because I have
no sound and how dare they release a product that is not
ready.....it's all garbage. Why do I think that? Because now
I have sound! I tell people to wait for drivers because IT
WORKS and it's sound advice. Telling people to wait an
arbitrary amount of time such as SP1 or SP2 is ridiculous! If
drivers are out long before then, then upgrade sooner. It's
going to be a LONG TIME before SP1 is released.

Not everyone is as knowledgeable as you, or as much as you claim
to be. And, one more time, there are those of us who want to do
other things than beat our heads against the wall on what is a
VERY small part of our lives.

Spewing an arbitrary waiting period may be bunk, but again, it
has worked for me. It isn't the time period that is important per
se but when the patches and SPs start flowing, and the side-
effect bugs from them are squashed. But, with Windows, that time
SEEMs to be 9, 12, 15 months, again, depending on what affect a
specific person or class of people. Not everyone is the same, so
there is no one-size-fits-all here. And, if you have 300 PCs
running fine, then I say "Great!".

 

[Justin]

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...


You wanna discuss Newton's Laws wrt to small objects like a bike
or a sub-compact hitting a 7,000 pound truck? Even a 4,000 pound
car is no match, no matter how many stars it has for its impact
prowess.

It may not be a "match" but the survival rate is much higher for the people
inside.

Question, I've seen "wrt" in a few of your posts? What gives?

And, one can buy extended warranties on both computer HW and the
entire system, although after a point, it is hardly cost-
effective.

True, however the engine that died on me was $8,000 to replace. No contest
when comparing car warranties and retail outlet extended plans. I think of
it more as extra insurance. Although I had to go with the used engine
option.

As for computer hardware, I guess consumers need to evaluate their own level
of "reparability" when it comes to computers and decide from there.

You, and only you, must judge the cost-effectiveness
of extended warranties for your motor vehicles. For me, cost-
effectiveness is a lease of no more than 24 months. I don't drive
that far/year and like new cars.

Absolutely! Right back to weigh your options. On a side note, that engine
went out before the two year mark. Not common but it's there.

So, it isn't wise to make
absolute statements about ANY product or service you buy/lease.

Much agreed!

 

[gls858]

Listen buster... they could have retained driver compatibility and changed
other things on the OS like a better GUI for example, and some functions
people have asked for and never got!

What is your problem with that? I say VISTA was based on bad decisions..
The mistakes in the GUI design are horrendous!

buster.... LOL Thanks for the laugh! If you don't have any experience
developing Vista or drivers for Vista your assertion that compatibility
could be retained is simply your opinion. You have no way of knowing
what can and can't be done.
Why won't my carburetor from my 1952 Buick work on my new Buick?
I think they could have kept them compatible. Makes just about as much
sense.

gls858

 

[Justin]

And, one more time, there are those of us who want to do
other things than beat our heads against the wall on what is a
VERY small part of our lives.

Why would you? Do you assume you'll do that with all new consumer products?

Spewing an arbitrary waiting period may be bunk, but again, it
has worked for me.

Absolutely. That sounds a lot like the "extra insurance" I was talking
about in my other post. You could also wait 5 years and be even more
stable. If you "want" to draw a line at SP1 then by all means, that's
great. However that's a "just because" reason.

Cars!

Many times I hear people say you should NEVER buy a new model vehicle. Too
many problems, issues, too much "head banging". We're told to WAIT for at
least the second year model.

Sure there's problems from time to time. However just as with Vista, there
are many happy first year owners. Look at yourself. Charger,
Prowler....Challenger?

Myself, HHR, Nitro.

Those people are/were full of it. In my case they were dead wrong. That's
why I say each individual person needs to STOP WAITING and evaluate for
themselves now if they think they might want Vista. You already did that so
you're done.

 

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Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

[snip]

Are you calling me a fruit cake!?!?!

Not hardly. Are you saying I am? I don't think you are.

Oh, sorry...someone else has rubbed off on me

Yes, you may be right.

Yup, I buy all the warranty I feel is worth the dollar they're
charging me.

Again, we buys what we thinks is best for US and we don't buys what
we think is bad for us. 'Nuff said.

My commentss above that I didn't snip was saying that these threads
have gone so far afield that it is difficult for folks to track who
said what and very easy for them who may disagree with anyone else
to start throwing labels around. I eschew labels in general because
I don't think they EVER fit individuals, and rarely fit broader
numbers of people.