A SAD SAD REALIZATION

[Lang Murphy]

As long as it doesn't rupture you...

Lang

This NG has corrupted me!!!!!

 

[Justin]

Ouch!

Luckily, not yet

As long as it doesn't rupture you...

Lang

 

[HEMI-Powered]

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

I don't and never applied that I did.

Sorry, but adam, nina and arachnid mean nothing to me. Hell,
even alias and I had decent words for the last two days. How,
for example, do you know that I care what they think?


If you say so. I see patterns in this NG and I saw something
that raised a flag. I gave some half jokingly friendly
advice. Do with it as you will.

What advice was that? Must've missed it, jokingly or not.

 

[HEMI-Powered]

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...

Hum, something seems out of context here. Is the fact that
nothing is perfect up for questioning?

I knew a Chief Engineer who used to say "there are no
inappropriate question, only inappropriate answers". So, ask
away. If you ASK, I will try to answer. If you challenge, I may
challenge back. So I will ask you: how do you know that cnews or
any other "independent" testing source of anything is or is not
biased? My view comes from the companies themselves commenting,
usually obliquely that while they pride themselves on their
candor, honesty, and lack of bias in the usual sense, they are in
the business of making money and need to watch the back end of
the store, i.e., ad revenue, as well as the front end, i.e.,
sales volume from readers. Some mags, like Consumer's Reports
alleges to be unbiased because they buy all their products, but
their parent company has some ties to advertising. Let's say that
right now, I am skeptical of ALL "unbiased" sources unless than
can convince me somehow they are.

If I can find a source that at any given point in time has
given a particular model from ALL VENDORS 5 stars then I
consider that non-bias.

Suppose that both NTSA and the Insurance Institute give a set of
vehicles a 5 Star Crash rating and all the car rags gush
glowingly about the save vehicle. YOu go buy/lease one, wrap it
around a tree, turn yourself into a vegetable and kill your wife.
Was their "unbiased" ratings the cause of this or you? I agree
with your general thesis, of course, but it is you and I who make
the ultimate buying decision based on testing as only one of many
criteria and deciding factors. Another one I've mentioned is
personal testimonials. I take my nephew and PC builder at his
word most of the time because he maintains an excellent awareness
of the good, the bad, and the ugly out there and has personal
experience. But, I often override his judgement. He recommended
nVidia for my last video card; I've had enough and insisted on
ATI. He wanted Western Digital for my HD, I wanted Maxtor. For
those who I know much less, you or either your supporters or
detractors, I will listen to but be more skeptical about until I
see a pattern of "correctness" I can get my arms around.

Plus, more times then not the user reviews are within par of
the cnet review.

Plus, don't skip over the power of user reviews. It just
takes time to sort out the BS.

This last is perhaps the telling part of the story. Separating
the wheat from the chaff has always been the most difficult task.

 

[HEMI-Powered]

Today, Stephan Rose made these interesting comments ...

Hahaha! Well...a goldwing can't carry 4 people, but it will
carry 2 people and luggage no problem. =)

I've known a number of Goldwing owners. They are land yachts
compared to the performance bikes, the crotch rockets as I refer to
them, being discussed here. Like the giant Harley-Davidson road
bikes, these things weigh the better part of 1,000 pounds and are
for cruising comfortably, NOT racing either in the straight or on a
road course.

Not that you'd ever catch me riding one!! That thing is half a
car already...

One needs to buy and drive/ride what they wants and not buy or
drive/ride what they wants. There are exceptions I'm sure, but it
is hard to imagine someone in my climate riding their ultra-
performance bike to work everyday rain, shine, or snow/sleet nor
taking their wife or girlfriend out for dinner.

 

[Justin]

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...


bet you didn't imply, either <griin>

I guess I CAN'T work and reply at the same time. I guess I should also spit
this gum out as well

What advice was that? Must've missed it, jokingly or not.

Yes, I believe you missed the "'nuff said" joke as well.

 

[Justin]

So I will ask you: how do you know that cnews or
any other "independent" testing source of anything is or is not
biased?

I don't. No one does. In fact I don't even know that 2+2 = this thing we
call 4. You only know what you are taught or discover yourself and certain
things have to be accepted if you want to live in a society that
communicates with each other. To each individual person, everything they
see is fact ONLY to them.

To answer a more appropriate question, why do I think they're non-biased? I
already told you. Those are MY findings with them. Can they be biased on
any subject? Sure! Maybe they have a hidden camera contract with someone.
Maybe Canon pays their iNet bill! Or maybe the person giving the review
just got his wank chopped off by his wife and is in a REALLY bad mood. All
the more reason to NEVER take just one persons opinion. Get MANY opinions.

You challenge me on how I know they can be non-biased. Well:

"ALL reviews of anything ARE biased"

How do YOU know? You don't. I think that comment is complete non-sense.
Maybe that's because you know something I don't, I have no idea. What I do
know is that I could be completely non-biased while reviewing any given
product. Thus, your comment becomes invalid.

I do not show favoritism. I do not waste my time on such silly matters.
PC, Apple, Linux? I use all three. Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo? I have all
three. Ford, Chevy? I've bought from both. I can find good and bad in all
things. Do I believe that I'm 100% unique and the only person on this
planet that can do that? No. That is why I say I do think the same way as
you.

So, we have your opinion and we have mind. Shouldn't that be the end of it?

Suppose that both NTSA and the Insurance Institute give a set of
vehicles a 5 Star Crash rating and all the car rags gush
glowingly about the save vehicle. YOu go buy/lease one, wrap it
around a tree, turn yourself into a vegetable and kill your wife.
Was their "unbiased" ratings the cause of this or you?

That would be me. What's the point? I missed it. A 5 star rating does not
mean you can't die in a car???

I agree
with your general thesis, of course, but it is you and I who make
the ultimate buying decision based on testing as only one of many
criteria and deciding factors.

Was this in question?

Seriously bud, I said check out cnet.com IF you haven't already. The reason
this is continuing is because we both do not agree on something being ABLE
to be non-biased.

Another one I've mentioned is
personal testimonials. I take my nephew and PC builder at his
word most of the time because he maintains an excellent awareness
of the good, the bad, and the ugly out there and has personal
experience. But, I often override his judgement. He recommended
nVidia for my last video card; I've had enough and insisted on
ATI. He wanted Western Digital for my HD, I wanted Maxtor. For
those who I know much less, you or either your supporters or
detractors, I will listen to but be more skeptical about until I
see a pattern of "correctness" I can get my arms around.

So you recognize that you know less about something then someone else yet
you'll fly by the seat of your own pants?

Assuming "often override his judgment" = "more times then not":

He obviously recommended WD for a reason. You choose Maxtor instead. I
take it you weighed the two based on real data. Why couldn't you do that on
your own? Hum...this seems odd to me. If I ask someone's opinion as to
what product to buy, it's because I'm lost and can't decide. I would need
help to understand the pros and cons of each. So at that point we BOTH
understand the same set of pros and cons. Why would you not swing toward
the pro "more times then not?"

It would make more sense if you were on a fine line choosing between the
two. Able to fall either way and a little push did in fact cause to you
fall. However I don't see that happening "more times then not." But then
again, I have no idea of how often you make such decisions.

 

[Stephan Rose]

HEMI-Powered wrote:

One needs to buy and drive/ride what they wants and not buy or
drive/ride what they wants. There are exceptions I'm sure, but it
is hard to imagine someone in my climate riding their ultra-
performance bike to work everyday rain, shine, or snow/sleet nor
taking their wife or girlfriend out for dinner.

Depends on the girlfriend. =) The right kind won't have a problem going out
to dinner on a bike. =)

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Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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[Justin]

HEMI-Powered wrote:



Depends on the girlfriend. =) The right kind won't have a problem going
out
to dinner on a bike. =)

That's "for sure!" I have a couple family members that don't go anywhere
unless it's on a Harley. Either individually or together on one. His is
supped up and her's isn't so he tends to get away from her

 

[bp]

ok, I was thrilled when I was able to install and use VISTA last year (you
know the RC1 version) the OS worked great, I noticed the difference in
everything, and to my surprise everything except NERO worked. Then came
BLACK JANUARY. The day that the public commercial official release of vista
came to being. That was the day that the commercial from MAC joked about the
upgrade failing and PC leaving all his perrephials to MAC.

That was also the day I went out and bought my Home Premium version, only
cost me 300$ (this is important, keep track of the dollar figures as they
rise) That was also the day that even after upgrading my drivers, my 800$
sound card had it's purpose in life changed to a somewhat large ninja
throwing star, as the only sound it plays is the annoying windows start-up
jingle, then it won't work with media player and sometimes will work for
about 5 minutes with media center. (if I restart my computer and touch
nothing else) My 2 x 450$ video cards well what can I say, video suchs.

so here I sit with a external sound controller with will probably end up
being a coaster for my dogs dish, sound card as well as video cards becoming
ninja stars, and extremely disappointed with the improvements that were made
from the RC1 release to the run out and buy release. I am pretty sure I
didn't suggest making the system so that everything I did, every program I
opened (windows programs as well) had to be opened as an administrator, ohh
and I also had to click allow cause you never know I might not want Media
center to run, as I couldn't be sure of the originator.

My 4 gb of ram, 3gb processor, multi LCD SCREENS all look nice, and I can
remember the day they all worked fine. So here I must ask the simplist of
questions; can you uninstall VISTA and go back to XP without losing
everything, or is it now time to accept defeat and start shopping for a MAC??

What sound card cost 800 bucks ?

 

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

The latter is an open invitation for the Lin-knocks kooks and isn't really a valid
option if you've invested the money you say you have in the box.

Back up your necessary files and documents, and any peripheral drivers that you
may not still have install discs for.

Reformat and re-install XP from scratch. Reload your Mobo drivers, video drivers
(drivers only), and then the sound card drivers (drivers only). Re-configure the OS
to appear and operate as it did before VISTA, before reinstalling your audio and other
software. You may have to reassociate some of your audio software file types to
the appropriate software if you configure WMP 9 before reloading your software (and
IMHO, you should tweak out the entire OS... mail, Inet, everything... before adding
back your software for peripherals, major OEM software, and finally your audio). As
long as you're on the same HD and mobo, XP should re-authorize with no problem.

What sound card cost 800 bucks ?

Several of them... but they're generally called I/O devices rather than 'soundcards'.
I work with soundcards that require external interfacing ("break-out boxes" for the
less expensive stuff) which run in the thousands of $$.


--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
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http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com