A SAD SAD REALIZATION

[Guest]

ok, I was thrilled when I was able to install and use VISTA last year (you
know the RC1 version) the OS worked great, I noticed the difference in
everything, and to my surprise everything except NERO worked. Then came
BLACK JANUARY. The day that the public commercial official release of vista
came to being. That was the day that the commercial from MAC joked about the
upgrade failing and PC leaving all his perrephials to MAC.

That was also the day I went out and bought my Home Premium version, only
cost me 300$ (this is important, keep track of the dollar figures as they
rise) That was also the day that even after upgrading my drivers, my 800$
sound card had it's purpose in life changed to a somewhat large ninja
throwing star, as the only sound it plays is the annoying windows start-up
jingle, then it won't work with media player and sometimes will work for
about 5 minutes with media center. (if I restart my computer and touch
nothing else) My 2 x 450$ video cards well what can I say, video suchs.

so here I sit with a external sound controller with will probably end up
being a coaster for my dogs dish, sound card as well as video cards becoming
ninja stars, and extremely disappointed with the improvements that were made
from the RC1 release to the run out and buy release. I am pretty sure I
didn't suggest making the system so that everything I did, every program I
opened (windows programs as well) had to be opened as an administrator, ohh
and I also had to click allow cause you never know I might not want Media
center to run, as I couldn't be sure of the originator.

My 4 gb of ram, 3gb processor, multi LCD SCREENS all look nice, and I can
remember the day they all worked fine. So here I must ask the simplist of
questions; can you uninstall VISTA and go back to XP without losing
everything, or is it now time to accept defeat and start shopping for a MAC??

 

[kirk jim]

Well if you were in this newsgroup earlier you would have listened to my
cries of warning against using VISTA to do anything serious like graphics
or music or ... the list goes on.
Vista at this point is horrible, nothing works and nothing is compatible,
the GUI is a distruction.

Install XP again from scratch and keep your vista until SP1 or 2 comes out..
OR you can dual boot with XP on the same PC and have XP for serious work and
vista for
fooling around and testing if ANTYTHING is frikin compatible and laugh a
like I do... about vista's
slowpoke performance...

I suggest dualbooting in your case... or is this a vista upgrade to your XP
liscence? Hmmm?

 

[Mike Brannigan]

ok, I was thrilled when I was able to install and use VISTA last year (you
know the RC1 version) the OS worked great, I noticed the difference in
everything, and to my surprise everything except NERO worked. Then came
BLACK JANUARY. The day that the public commercial official release of
vista
came to being. That was the day that the commercial from MAC joked about
the
upgrade failing and PC leaving all his perrephials to MAC.

That was also the day I went out and bought my Home Premium version, only
cost me 300$ (this is important, keep track of the dollar figures as they
rise) That was also the day that even after upgrading my drivers, my 800$
sound card had it's purpose in life changed to a somewhat large ninja
throwing star, as the only sound it plays is the annoying windows start-up
jingle, then it won't work with media player and sometimes will work for
about 5 minutes with media center. (if I restart my computer and touch
nothing else) My 2 x 450$ video cards well what can I say, video suchs.

so here I sit with a external sound controller with will probably end up
being a coaster for my dogs dish, sound card as well as video cards
becoming
ninja stars, and extremely disappointed with the improvements that were
made
from the RC1 release to the run out and buy release. I am pretty sure I
didn't suggest making the system so that everything I did, every program I
opened (windows programs as well) had to be opened as an administrator,
ohh
and I also had to click allow cause you never know I might not want Media
center to run, as I couldn't be sure of the originator.

My 4 gb of ram, 3gb processor, multi LCD SCREENS all look nice, and I can
remember the day they all worked fine. So here I must ask the simplist of
questions; can you uninstall VISTA and go back to XP without losing
everything, or is it now time to accept defeat and start shopping for a
MAC??

So before you upgraded you did not check if you could get Vista drivers for
you $800 sound card and 2 x $400 graphics cards, and then complain that
Vista does not work on your system. If they are not available then this is
the hardware vendors fault not Microsoft's as is often the case the in box
driver (still provided by the hw vendor) may only provide a limited amount
of functionality if the vendor is producing a more functional one off the
delivery timescale for the OS.
Frankly if you can spend that kind of money on system components one would
have assume that your were technically astute enough to do the bare minimum
research before you upgraded - but I guess not.

 

[Mike Brannigan]

Well if you were in this newsgroup earlier you would have listened to my
cries of warning against using VISTA to do anything serious like graphics
or music or ... the list goes on.
Vista at this point is horrible, nothing works and nothing is compatible,
the GUI is a distruction.

Install XP again from scratch and keep your vista until SP1 or 2 comes
out..
OR you can dual boot with XP on the same PC and have XP for serious work
and vista for
fooling around and testing if ANTYTHING is frikin compatible and laugh a
like I do... about vista's
slowpoke performance...

I suggest dualbooting in your case... or is this a vista upgrade to your
XP liscence? Hmmm?

The original posters issues are related to his hardware vendor of choice for
some of his system components (GPU and Sound) not having released fully
functional Windows Vista drivers.
This is not primarily a Windows Vista issue that requires him to wait for
service packs etc, but a hardware vendor one.

 

[kirk jim]

Classic response.. its everyone and everything's fault but vistas!

Hey, if it was lack of drivers and incompatibility that we wanted,
we would switch to linux!

Vista should NOT have had so many incompatibility problems,
its firkin NT for crying out loud... XP worked with Win2k Drivers most of
the time (99.9%)

instead of making changes that counted in Vista.. they went ahead and
created a long list of compatibility problems!
They made very little intelligent changes on things that needed fixing..
They did not introduce important features people have requested for ages.
And they totally destroyed the GUI of windows!

Vista is ridiculous!

 

[gls858]

ok, I was thrilled when I was able to install and use VISTA last year (you
know the RC1 version) the OS worked great, I noticed the difference in
everything, and to my surprise everything except NERO worked. Then came
BLACK JANUARY. The day that the public commercial official release of vista
came to being. That was the day that the commercial from MAC joked about the
upgrade failing and PC leaving all his perrephials to MAC.

That was also the day I went out and bought my Home Premium version, only
cost me 300$ (this is important, keep track of the dollar figures as they
rise) That was also the day that even after upgrading my drivers, my 800$
sound card had it's purpose in life changed to a somewhat large ninja
throwing star, as the only sound it plays is the annoying windows start-up
jingle, then it won't work with media player and sometimes will work for
about 5 minutes with media center. (if I restart my computer and touch
nothing else) My 2 x 450$ video cards well what can I say, video suchs.

so here I sit with a external sound controller with will probably end up
being a coaster for my dogs dish, sound card as well as video cards becoming
ninja stars, and extremely disappointed with the improvements that were made
from the RC1 release to the run out and buy release. I am pretty sure I
didn't suggest making the system so that everything I did, every program I
opened (windows programs as well) had to be opened as an administrator, ohh
and I also had to click allow cause you never know I might not want Media
center to run, as I couldn't be sure of the originator.

My 4 gb of ram, 3gb processor, multi LCD SCREENS all look nice, and I can
remember the day they all worked fine. So here I must ask the simplist of
questions; can you uninstall VISTA and go back to XP without losing
everything, or is it now time to accept defeat and start shopping for a MAC??

Hmm..no image of your drive before upgrading? Acronis True Image put me
back to XP in about 30 minutes. Turned around and loaded the Vista image
and was back to Vista in about 30 minutes. Well worth the $50 IMO.

gls858

 

[kirk jim]

The original posters issues are related to his hardware vendor of choice

for some of his system components (GPU and Sound) not having released
fully functional Windows Vista drivers

Oh tell that fairy tale to others who will eat it!

Its vista's problem that is directly connected to decisions in the OS design
that makes it incompatible with XP drivers!

You should be able to use XP drivers with Vista! Just like you could use
Win2k Drivers with XP.

This incompatibility is BY DESIGN. And its done on purpose,
and the reason is to force people to buy new hardware and software..

 

[kirk jim]

Acronis rocks... I suggest people look into acronis true image too

www.acronis.com

 

[Justin]

This is a first! Someone with compatibility issues AND they built a new
machine.

Classic response.. its everyone and everything's fault but vistas!

Buying a sound card that is not compatible with Vista and trying to get it
to work with Vista IS the fault of the buyer.

 

[Adam Albright]

ok, I was thrilled when I was able to install and use VISTA last year (you
know the RC1 version) the OS worked great, I noticed the difference in
everything, and to my surprise everything except NERO worked. Then came
BLACK JANUARY. The day that the public commercial official release of vista
came to being. That was the day that the commercial from MAC joked about the
upgrade failing and PC leaving all his perrephials to MAC.

That was also the day I went out and bought my Home Premium version, only
cost me 300$ (this is important, keep track of the dollar figures as they
rise) That was also the day that even after upgrading my drivers, my 800$
sound card had it's purpose in life changed to a somewhat large ninja
throwing star, as the only sound it plays is the annoying windows start-up
jingle, then it won't work with media player and sometimes will work for
about 5 minutes with media center. (if I restart my computer and touch
nothing else) My 2 x 450$ video cards well what can I say, video suchs.

so here I sit with a external sound controller with will probably end up
being a coaster for my dogs dish, sound card as well as video cards becoming
ninja stars, and extremely disappointed with the improvements that were made
from the RC1 release to the run out and buy release. I am pretty sure I
didn't suggest making the system so that everything I did, every program I
opened (windows programs as well) had to be opened as an administrator, ohh
and I also had to click allow cause you never know I might not want Media
center to run, as I couldn't be sure of the originator.

My 4 gb of ram, 3gb processor, multi LCD SCREENS all look nice, and I can
remember the day they all worked fine. So here I must ask the simplist of
questions; can you uninstall VISTA and go back to XP without losing
everything, or is it now time to accept defeat and start shopping for a MAC??

I don't understand why a Vista beta worked fine for you, but not the
final retail version. What's changed in Windows and what's changed in
your hardware configuration?

 

[gls858]

Oh tell that fairy tale to others who will eat it!

Its vista's problem that is directly connected to decisions in the OS design
that makes it incompatible with XP drivers!

You should be able to use XP drivers with Vista! Just like you could use
Win2k Drivers with XP.

This incompatibility is BY DESIGN. And its done on purpose,
and the reason is to force people to buy new hardware and software..

snip<

All conjecture on your part. Do you have any experience programming
operating systems and drivers? If so perhaps you would like to post your
credentials. Otherwise you're just talking out of you ASS.

gls858

 

[john]

So before you upgraded you did not check if you could get Vista drivers
for you $800 sound card and 2 x $400 graphics cards, and then complain
that Vista does not work on your system.

Classic response...
it has been posted here time and time again, that even after having used
MS's own HCL and Upgrade Advisor that the results were, shall we say,
misleading?

In my case the UA said everything was fine, only to find out later that my
video card, soundcard, modem and internal card reader are all doorstops.

please quit towing the party line, it ain't working any more

 

[kirk jim]

Justin my boy, I had not even ONE issue to go from win98 to XP.
Why? Because the drivers of win2k could be used with XP.

I never ever said a bad word about XP.. I praised XP. XP saved me from
windows 9x that crashed all the time. For me XP was a revolution and with it
I was able to produce far more complex work because the OS had the power to
handle
the programs and manage the memory I needed.

Now drivers of XP have problems with Vista... this is a mistake by DESIGN!
There is really no reason for this to be that way!

 

[kirk jim]

Listen buster... they could have retained driver compatibility and changed
other things on the OS like a better GUI for example, and some functions
people have asked for and never got!

What is your problem with that? I say VISTA was based on bad decisions..
The mistakes in the GUI design are horrendous!

 

[john]

This is a first! Someone with compatibility issues AND they built a new
machine.



Buying a sound card that is not compatible with Vista and trying to get it
to work with Vista IS the fault of the buyer.

heh
from Elliot Carver in 007's "The World is Not Enough":

Carver- "Mr Jones are we ready to release our new software?"
Jones- "Yes sir, as requested, it's full of bugs. Which means people will be
forced to upgrade for years."
Carver- "Outstanding."

I wonder where they got the inspiration for that? lol
MS products are so infested they've become punchlines in movies

 

[Justin]

You should be able to use XP drivers with Vista! Just like you could use
Win2k Drivers with XP.

That's a lie. There were countless drivers that did not work with XP.

 

[Justin]

Since this thread is flame bait anyway...

I don't understand...

That's an understatement!

 

[kirk jim]

YOU are telling a lie boy.. I seldom came accross on the hundreds of
computers
I worked on, having problems using a win2k driver, in fact most of the time
the vendors called them 2k/xp drivers becuause they were one and the same!
If a hardware did not have any xp driver
the vendors would say go ahead use the 2k one!

I can recall over the years only 1-2 times that a driver for win2k would not
work with XP.
All the rest you had a warning that the driver was not signed but you could
ignore that and it worked.

 

[Justin]

Listen buster... they could have retained driver compatibility

No way. XP didn't! Not completely.

and changed
other things on the OS like a better GUI for example

Ok, opinion.

, and some functions
people have asked for and never got!

Well, I agree with that. We begged for a few common things in the beta and
never got them. I guess they made too much sense?

 

[Justin]

Justin my boy, I had not even ONE issue to go from win98 to XP.
Why? Because the drivers of win2k could be used with XP.

Then you were a minority!

If that's the extent of your knowledge, your one machine, then that lets us
know how to apply your comments/experience.