J
Justin
Adam Albright said:
WRONG AGAIN!!!!!! Man, what is that for today? At least 12 times.
The whole 2001 versus 2002 issue has been cleared up. You should try
reading posts for a change instead of flying by the seat of your pants.
WRONG AGAIN!!!!!! Man, what is that for today? At least 12 times.
The whole 2001 versus 2002 issue has been cleared up. You should try
reading posts for a change instead of flying by the seat of your pants.
G
Guest
actually what changed was when I was running the Beta, I also had XP and most
of the drivers were XP drivers, I was also running virtual server at the same
time 2, the release version, (the bought one) is now the sole OS on my
system. Ohh and all my hardware has been purchased in the last year, and all
the manufacturers have released their VIsta drivers already.
of the drivers were XP drivers, I was also running virtual server at the same
time 2, the release version, (the bought one) is now the sole OS on my
system. Ohh and all my hardware has been purchased in the last year, and all
the manufacturers have released their VIsta drivers already.
J
Justin
BarneyH said:
So you have hardware with Vista drivers and none of it works?
Please provide models of all this hardware.
K
kirk jim
Justin that is tempting.. I might do that..
I was thinking of making a video but I was shoving it back because it needs
energy,
and i am working on a complex project now that doesnt leave my with much of
that...
But if you can wait a bit I might make one...
I was thinking of making a video but I was shoving it back because it needs
energy,
and i am working on a complex project now that doesnt leave my with much of
that...
But if you can wait a bit I might make one...
J
Justin
kirk jim said:
Time provided, bring it on!
I was waiting for new sound drivers so I could make a video showing how that
MORON on the youtube video (speech recognition) was a...well...moron! But
the new X-Fi drivers still don't fix the mic
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Guest
ok, video cards Nvidea 8000 series, creative X-Fi pro
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HEMI-Powered
Today, kirk jim made these interesting comments ...
There's a VERY long thread discussion Vista vs XP in the XP
customize NG. But, yours is the first succinct statement as to
what Vista does and does not have.Thank you. I have a built-in
delay factor for the 1.0 version of anything, and wouldn't even
think about Vista until SP1 or SP2 and even then, not until I buy
a new box and can do a clean install. I have enough CPU, memory
and HD now, but do not want to ever do an upgrade install of one
version of Windows to another ever again.
An interesting solution.
A dual-boot is workable IF licenses don't get in the way as you
suggest, AND, there is WAY plenty of HD to spare for what amounts
to be two entire "virtual" systems, each of some 30-40 gig each,
and more depending on pagefiles, apps, data, etc. But, dual-boot
is better tha the Hobson's Choice of nuking and rinstalling XP.
But, then, while I do sympathize with problems like described
here, I cannot be too sad, as I just cannot fathom people
voluntering that much money on what amounts to be a beta test on
your Visa card.
The price-performance point for a PC I want to do heavy graphics,
for which you say is a no-go right now totally, seems to be a
dual- or quad-core system but costs too much for the small
incremental gain. So, I think I'll wait until maybe late this
fall or early next year. PC hardware fully compatible with Vista
will have sorted themselves out by then, prices will be lower,
and (hopefull) Vista will be a much improved product.
Thanks for a short, rational confirmation of my intuition.
There's a VERY long thread discussion Vista vs XP in the XP
customize NG. But, yours is the first succinct statement as to
what Vista does and does not have.Thank you. I have a built-in
delay factor for the 1.0 version of anything, and wouldn't even
think about Vista until SP1 or SP2 and even then, not until I buy
a new box and can do a clean install. I have enough CPU, memory
and HD now, but do not want to ever do an upgrade install of one
version of Windows to another ever again.
An interesting solution.
A dual-boot is workable IF licenses don't get in the way as you
suggest, AND, there is WAY plenty of HD to spare for what amounts
to be two entire "virtual" systems, each of some 30-40 gig each,
and more depending on pagefiles, apps, data, etc. But, dual-boot
is better tha the Hobson's Choice of nuking and rinstalling XP.
But, then, while I do sympathize with problems like described
here, I cannot be too sad, as I just cannot fathom people
voluntering that much money on what amounts to be a beta test on
your Visa card.
The price-performance point for a PC I want to do heavy graphics,
for which you say is a no-go right now totally, seems to be a
dual- or quad-core system but costs too much for the small
incremental gain. So, I think I'll wait until maybe late this
fall or early next year. PC hardware fully compatible with Vista
will have sorted themselves out by then, prices will be lower,
and (hopefull) Vista will be a much improved product.
Thanks for a short, rational confirmation of my intuition.
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HEMI-Powered
Today, kirk jim made these interesting comments ...
extent you are right, it strikes be as a really poor business
decision on MS's part to 100% obsolete its installed base who
(foolishly?) upgraded. The newbies will be OK, of course, just
majorly confused and themselves unpaid beta testers.
Wonder what the DOJ anti-trust folks think about this! To the
extent you are right, it strikes be as a really poor business
decision on MS's part to 100% obsolete its installed base who
(foolishly?) upgraded. The newbies will be OK, of course, just
majorly confused and themselves unpaid beta testers.
J
Justin
BarneyH said:
8000 series? There's TWO, please provide which one.
The 8800GTX works fine. Some issues but no show stoppers. A good amount of
8800GXS people have a lot of grips. Usually in regards to 101.45 (or .46?).
Which card do you have and which drivers did you use?
Creative Labs FINALLY released half way decent drivers yesterday. Check
them out.
K
kirk jim
When I say gui I dont mean the theme.. I will explain in that video.... 
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HEMI-Powered
Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
Justin, I think the "truth" may be somewhere in between yours and
Kirk's views. I had NO problems in getting my old HP 1220C
printer, old MicroTek Scanmaker 4 flatbed, and all my old legacy
software to work immediately when I went to base XP Pro some
years ago. The big problems came when I attempted to upgrade some
of my apps or ran into trouble getting "real" XP drivers. But, I
sorted it out fairly quickly.
Now, my experience, like most average people, is rather narrow
and limited. But, Kirk does make one think. Maybe he is too
extreme, but maybe some firmness is necessary to prevent disaster
for them with existing systems, and far less so for newbies
buying a new PC at Best Buy. In any event, I think this and some
other threads here are far more useful in confirming my fears
than the rambling babbling brook in the XP NGs, so I am doing
more of what doctors call "watchfull waiting"
car thingy, but to your point here, again using cars as a
metaphor, every dam time Chrysler does an all-new car, and the
rate is accelerating in the last 5-6 years, I can't even figure
out how to turn the lights and wipers on! I spent an hour
reading, my Charger owner's manual cover-to-cover, there was so
much not only new, but added features and an all-new "GUI". So,
sometimes change is bad and sometimes it is good.But what is
ALWAYS bad is change for change sake,which Ihope Vista is not.
Justin, I think the "truth" may be somewhere in between yours and
Kirk's views. I had NO problems in getting my old HP 1220C
printer, old MicroTek Scanmaker 4 flatbed, and all my old legacy
software to work immediately when I went to base XP Pro some
years ago. The big problems came when I attempted to upgrade some
of my apps or ran into trouble getting "real" XP drivers. But, I
sorted it out fairly quickly.
Now, my experience, like most average people, is rather narrow
and limited. But, Kirk does make one think. Maybe he is too
extreme, but maybe some firmness is necessary to prevent disaster
for them with existing systems, and far less so for newbies
buying a new PC at Best Buy. In any event, I think this and some
other threads here are far more useful in confirming my fears
than the rambling babbling brook in the XP NGs, so I am doing
more of what doctors call "watchfull waiting"
Justin, take a look at a ping to you in XP's customize NG for the
car thingy, but to your point here, again using cars as a
metaphor, every dam time Chrysler does an all-new car, and the
rate is accelerating in the last 5-6 years, I can't even figure
out how to turn the lights and wipers on! I spent an hour
reading, my Charger owner's manual cover-to-cover, there was so
much not only new, but added features and an all-new "GUI". So,
sometimes change is bad and sometimes it is good.But what is
ALWAYS bad is change for change sake,which Ihope Vista is not.
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HEMI-Powered
Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
face, I believe Gary, he makes sense. But, there is almost always a
way to do things securely without obsoleting every damn driver ever
written before. Some will take months, some years, some will NEVER
be written because the SW or HW is no longer supported and/or the
developer is out-of-biz.
And, I have this unfortunate cynical view that "Microsoft
security" is an example of a classic oxymoron like "military
intelligence" or "postal service". I have yet to see ANY signs that
MS has even an inkling what the risks are, much less a coherent
solution. And, an entire rewrite that may force me to buy all new
apps and HW is NOT the way to win me over!
Only them really in the security biz should talk about this. On itsI watched that channel 9 video. WAY over my head!
guess I don't develop drivers for a reason.
face, I believe Gary, he makes sense. But, there is almost always a
way to do things securely without obsoleting every damn driver ever
written before. Some will take months, some years, some will NEVER
be written because the SW or HW is no longer supported and/or the
developer is out-of-biz.
And, I have this unfortunate cynical view that "Microsoft
security" is an example of a classic oxymoron like "military
intelligence" or "postal service". I have yet to see ANY signs that
MS has even an inkling what the risks are, much less a coherent
solution. And, an entire rewrite that may force me to buy all new
apps and HW is NOT the way to win me over!
J
Justin
HEMI-Powered said:
Absolutely. Of course many drivers did work. We're talking what?
Thousands? That's a lot.
Very true!
J
Justin
HEMI-Powered said:
All the more reason for people to be more responsible and qualify themselves
for the upgrade as you have done.
Cars are such easy analogies. Have you driven a Dodge caliber? I'm 6'2"
and I thought that car was way to small! I don't understand how anyone over
5' can drive that car. So, if I were to buy that car as an upgrade to a
neon THEN complain about the cramped space, does that make the caliber a
horrible car? Nope.
So when it comes to application compatibility, people need to be more aware
of their actions.
You can always get a refund for Vista.
J
Justin
kirk jim said:When I say gui I dont mean the theme.. I will explain in that video....
Oh well, if you mean how it was built, I'm not going to go as far as to say
it's the best. However it killed screen tearing and that's a major plus for
me. Granted, I always have the latest and greatest so I don't care about
how bloated it is. But that's a horrible way to look at it, or greedy way.
G
Guest
ok the most up to date drivers for the sound cards are dated the 8th of
March, which I already have, the cards are the gtx, but even with the drivers
from nvidea, most of the cards functions are lost
March, which I already have, the cards are the gtx, but even with the drivers
from nvidea, most of the cards functions are lost
J
Justin
BarneyH said:
Ok, what's the problem? They are not feature complete yet but they work.
What problems are you having?
Hold on now. Functions? Or does the card "not work". Yes, the drivers are
not feature complete yet. They're getting there. You have to wait.
G
Guest
OK, let me just say something here. I am a home PC user, slightly
technically literate but not really. I just bought a new lapotop loaded with
Vista basic and can't stand it. This was not an upgrade, and there's certain
video aspects that just seem not to work (basically don't attempt to play any
decent games as the video freezes).
Number one reason I hate Vista: LACK OF DRIVERS. I cannot use any of my
peripherals - ANY. I am NOT going out to buy new ones because they work jsut
fine... on my other 2 XP computers. It is not the peripherals, just Vista
that doesnt't work. Now comes the difficulty of attempting to load software
on my new computer that Vista will actually run (good luck with that).
Please do not come back at me screaming about lack of investigating this
product or jsut 'knocking' it, I would have much rather preferred buying a
machine with XP but they simply just aren't available. Just please think of
this. If I, a simple end user, is outraged that Microsoft could launch a
product before the proper drivers could be developed or even the proper
peripherals developed (FYI, there's only ONE USB memory stick available
that's Vista capable), others will be and are too. This is just a fact.
Microsoft should have at least let the hardware companies attempt to develop
the proper drivers for products before the OS was released. Bad planning,
bad judgement, and even worse timing.
And if you think I'm wrong, please go to CNet or any other site and look at
any review of the OS and you will see that the vast majority of testers,
users, and just regular folks like me think that Vista is not ready for the
world and is a huge mistake to upgrade or buy at this time.
technically literate but not really. I just bought a new lapotop loaded with
Vista basic and can't stand it. This was not an upgrade, and there's certain
video aspects that just seem not to work (basically don't attempt to play any
decent games as the video freezes).
Number one reason I hate Vista: LACK OF DRIVERS. I cannot use any of my
peripherals - ANY. I am NOT going out to buy new ones because they work jsut
fine... on my other 2 XP computers. It is not the peripherals, just Vista
that doesnt't work. Now comes the difficulty of attempting to load software
on my new computer that Vista will actually run (good luck with that).
Please do not come back at me screaming about lack of investigating this
product or jsut 'knocking' it, I would have much rather preferred buying a
machine with XP but they simply just aren't available. Just please think of
this. If I, a simple end user, is outraged that Microsoft could launch a
product before the proper drivers could be developed or even the proper
peripherals developed (FYI, there's only ONE USB memory stick available
that's Vista capable), others will be and are too. This is just a fact.
Microsoft should have at least let the hardware companies attempt to develop
the proper drivers for products before the OS was released. Bad planning,
bad judgement, and even worse timing.
And if you think I'm wrong, please go to CNet or any other site and look at
any review of the OS and you will see that the vast majority of testers,
users, and just regular folks like me think that Vista is not ready for the
world and is a huge mistake to upgrade or buy at this time.
D
Dan
hsiber said:
Why do your periperals not work with Vista? No drivers? Do you have a list,
model numbers and manufacturer?
Same thing happened when XP came out, you cannot support legacy software
forever...
Here is a link with just a few new notebooks available with XP Pro -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&Subcategory=32&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=
193 to be exact.
This says volumes about what little you know, I doubt there is a USB drive
on the market that does not work with Vista.
others will be and are too. This is just a fact.
They did, some manufacturers are sitting on their behinds and taking their
sweet time about it, take HP for instance.
Same thing happened when XP came out, same gripes, same complaints, same
problems, you should have waited to purchase a pc, or did a little
investigating and purchased one with XP.
A
Adam Albright
You're confusing Justin. Thousands? He can't count past ten unless he
takes his shoes and socks off.
All you do is build strawmen so you can't knock them down. Typical of
know nothing trolls.
How generous of you Justin! You actually let somebody else have an
opinion without you needing to pontificate.
As it has already been pointed out many major vendors have already
stated they will NOT automatically update ALL their drivers to support
their full lines of hardware to support Vista.
takes his shoes and socks off.
All you do is build strawmen so you can't knock them down. Typical of
know nothing trolls.
How generous of you Justin! You actually let somebody else have an
opinion without you needing to pontificate.
As it has already been pointed out many major vendors have already
stated they will NOT automatically update ALL their drivers to support
their full lines of hardware to support Vista.