Yamaha Wi Fi problem


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Robin Bignall

I'm asking here because many of you guys know stuff. Has anybody got a
Yamaha surround-sound amp with their Wi Fi connector? I received mine
today and have got nowhere trying to set Wi Fi up.
The adapter is supposed to have an IP address of 192.168.1.249 but will
not respond to a browser (page not found).
So I reset the adapter to Yamaha factory specs in case the IP had
changed. I could then log on and enter setup. In setup I could see,
and select, my own Wi Fi network and set its password. Then "apply". At
this point I could see the adapter's parameters including the correct IP
address, and it counted down from 30 to 0 and is then supposed to
reboot. The reboot didn't happen and, once again, it would not respond
to its IP address in IE.
I've been around this circle several times: reset it and it responds to
its IP; put in the network parameters and it is inaccessible. Has
anyone got any clues?
 
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generic name

I'm asking here because many of you guys know stuff. Has anybody got a
Yamaha surround-sound amp with their Wi Fi connector? I received mine
today and have got nowhere trying to set Wi Fi up.
The adapter is supposed to have an IP address of 192.168.1.249 but will
not respond to a browser (page not found).
So I reset the adapter to Yamaha factory specs in case the IP had
changed. I could then log on and enter setup. In setup I could see,
and select, my own Wi Fi network and set its password. Then "apply". At
this point I could see the adapter's parameters including the correct IP
address, and it counted down from 30 to 0 and is then supposed to
reboot. The reboot didn't happen and, once again, it would not respond
to its IP address in IE.
I've been around this circle several times: reset it and it responds to
its IP; put in the network parameters and it is inaccessible. Has
anyone got any clues?

Do you have the "network = ON"? The default has it set to OFF. The ON
allows an app to access the unit.

I don't have the Yamaha WiFi connector but do have an wifi "extender"
that I use in bridge mode via its 4 ethernet ports; also the wifi of
extender is disable which is what I want when I set the range extender
to use the ethernet ports in 5 mhz mode to the router (not able to
disable the 2.4 mhz as that appears to be how the router talks to the
extender.).

Both my Yamaha avr & blu-ray players are connected via cable to
the range extender. Yamaha has an app for tablets that is an
av controller called "av controller"; the doc say that for it to be
usable the network settings must set to ON.

Not sure if it makes any diff in your case as never tried to access
via a browser; but Yamaha did make available a means to control
their equipment via browser; unfortunately I inadvertentely deleted
it as I never did try the app.

Don't really understand why the ip is explicitly setup as 192.168.1.249
instead of DHCP or as one's router uses; e.g. some routers use
192.168.0.1 as its ip; some may use 10.0.0.1 as the ip. It would
be more logical to set the wifi connector to dhcp & have the router
reserve whatever ip is assigned to the wifi adapter's mac address.
 
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Robin Bignall

Thanks for this.
Do you have the "network = ON"? The default has it set to OFF. The ON
allows an app to access the unit.
This sounds basic enough to screw the whole system up! My answer is "I
don't know, and I'll check it when I get downstairs". So far, in setup,
I haven't noticed any setting that says "network = off" but I'll check
again.
I don't have the Yamaha WiFi connector but do have an wifi "extender"
that I use in bridge mode via its 4 ethernet ports; also the wifi of
extender is disable which is what I want when I set the range extender
to use the ethernet ports in 5 mhz mode to the router (not able to
disable the 2.4 mhz as that appears to be how the router talks to the
extender.).

Both my Yamaha avr & blu-ray players are connected via cable to
the range extender. Yamaha has an app for tablets that is an
av controller called "av controller"; the doc say that for it to be
usable the network settings must set to ON.
OK, I'll check this.
Not sure if it makes any diff in your case as never tried to access
via a browser; but Yamaha did make available a means to control
their equipment via browser; unfortunately I inadvertentely deleted
it as I never did try the app.

Don't really understand why the ip is explicitly setup as 192.168.1.249
instead of DHCP or as one's router uses; e.g. some routers use
192.168.0.1 as its ip; some may use 10.0.0.1 as the ip. It would
be more logical to set the wifi connector to dhcp & have the router
reserve whatever ip is assigned to the wifi adapter's mac address.

That's how it works. There are two ways of setting the Wi Fi adapter
up: automatic and manual. The automatic way depends on you having a
router with a WPS switch, to match the one on the unit. You push the
WPS switch on the router, and within two minutes, push the WPS switch on
the adapter for 5 seconds. All the network info (including DHCP = on)
is transmitted to the adapter.

My router doesn't have such a switch, I'm not very knowledgeable about
networking, so at first I set it up manually. This involves connecting
the adapter to a computer and addressing it via the browser as
192.168.1.249, (this is the factory setting) and then setting it up just
as you would a router addressed as 192.168.0.1 - the process is very
similar. You choose an installed IP of 192.168.0.xxx, where xxx doesn't
clash with anything else. When it's set up this way you unplug it from
the PC and plug it into the Yamaha AVR.

I then found on my router, in "advanced wireless", the menu equivalent
of a WPS switch, and set the Yamaha up automatically. I can see a list
of MAC addresses of everything that is connected to my network on the
router, and the Yamaha is one of them. I can also see on the AVR, under
"information / network" that the adapter is connected to the SSID of my
Wi Fi network, so it appears to be connected.

When I look at Network on the AVR I can see a whole bunch of 'folders'
of various kinds, but clicking on any of them leads to "loading..." and
them "no content". Everything has no content, which a "network = off"
would explain nicely. I'll check this out and get back tomorrow, but ta
very much for the help.
 
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generic name

When I look at Network on the AVR I can see a whole bunch of 'folders'
of various kinds, but clicking on any of them leads to "loading..." and
them "no content". Everything has no content, which a "network = off"
would explain nicely. I'll check this out and get back tomorrow, but ta
very much for the help.


Actually, on my Yamaha RX-A1000, it is: setup --> network -->
network standby => ON.

The other folders are the DHCP info & Mac filters.

My Sony blu-ray only has automatic or manual & no wps button. Still
selected automatic for the DHCP but think I still had to enter the
SSID & password when prompted (it's been awhile). Same deal with
my laptop; but I don't have my router broadcast the SSID (may not
prevent hackers, but believe that they should have to do a little
work to get in).
 
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Robin Bignall

Actually, on my Yamaha RX-A1000, it is: setup --> network -->
network standby => ON.
That may be it. My standby is OFF (default).
The other folders are the DHCP info & Mac filters.
Same here.
My Sony blu-ray only has automatic or manual & no wps button. Still
selected automatic for the DHCP but think I still had to enter the
SSID & password when prompted (it's been awhile). Same deal with
my laptop; but I don't have my router broadcast the SSID (may not
prevent hackers, but believe that they should have to do a little
work to get in).

That sounds like a good idea. My knowledge of advanced functions on the
router is approx zero. My laptops and my OPPO Blu Ray had to be set up
manually, as did the Sony TV.

Back later.
 
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Robin Bignall

That may be it. My standby is OFF (default).

Same here.


That sounds like a good idea. My knowledge of advanced functions on the
router is approx zero. My laptops and my OPPO Blu Ray had to be set up
manually, as did the Sony TV.

Back later.

OK, some success. I found "standby => on", so it wasn't that, and I
decided to do the whole thing again, this time reading every word in the
manual. I found that I had not waited long enough after powering up the
adapter, and had connected the network cable too early.
I reset the adapter to manufacturer's specs (there's a buried button
that does that) and connected *power only*, no network cable. The
manual says after power up, wait at least a minute before doing anything
else. I then used WPS on router and adapter to set it up (took three
tries), and then connected network cable to it.
When I powered up the AVR I immediately got network radio, hundreds of
stations, and tried a few. It all worked. I could also connect with
Napster but don't yet have an account. So, the network is now
definitely working.

When I set the AVR input to "server", I still get a "no content" and
wonder what on earth server it's looking for. If I can stream radio I
ought to be able to stream other audio-visual stuff such as films. But
there's nothing in the AVR manual to say what "server" is or where it's
trying to find it.
 
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Paul

Robin said:
OK, some success. I found "standby => on", so it wasn't that, and I
decided to do the whole thing again, this time reading every word in the
manual. I found that I had not waited long enough after powering up the
adapter, and had connected the network cable too early.
I reset the adapter to manufacturer's specs (there's a buried button
that does that) and connected *power only*, no network cable. The
manual says after power up, wait at least a minute before doing anything
else. I then used WPS on router and adapter to set it up (took three
tries), and then connected network cable to it.
When I powered up the AVR I immediately got network radio, hundreds of
stations, and tried a few. It all worked. I could also connect with
Napster but don't yet have an account. So, the network is now
definitely working.

When I set the AVR input to "server", I still get a "no content" and
wonder what on earth server it's looking for. If I can stream radio I
ought to be able to stream other audio-visual stuff such as films. But
there's nothing in the AVR manual to say what "server" is or where it's
trying to find it.

I think Windows Media Player can function as a streaming server.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/...media-on-a-network-using-Windows-Media-Player

They mention WMP 11 being the one where media streaming
was integrated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_media_player#Media_streaming

Someone made a comment here, as to the ingredients:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1004532/yamaha-avr-and-the-tversity-server

"My RX-V2700 will see WMP 11 or Twonky..."

So that means at least Windows Media Player could work.

There's also a thing called DLNA, a standard for connecting
multimedia devices. But typically a client in that case,
has an LCD screen, to allow selection of a particular file
from the server. As a test, I installed Serviio (free at the
time) and tested that a second virtual machine running Linux,
could play movies from it. Serviio was my DLNA media server.
So there may be a possibility there, if your AVR has an
interface, and a minimal set of control buttons (arrow keys,
select - with feedback on some tiny LCD).

It's possible WMP is a "push" interface, while DLNA
is more "pull". But you'll be able to figure this out
and give us a lesson :) Because you have an incentive :)

Paul
 
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Robin Bignall

I think Windows Media Player can function as a streaming server.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/...media-on-a-network-using-Windows-Media-Player

They mention WMP 11 being the one where media streaming
was integrated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_media_player#Media_streaming

Someone made a comment here, as to the ingredients:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1004532/yamaha-avr-and-the-tversity-server

"My RX-V2700 will see WMP 11 or Twonky..."

So that means at least Windows Media Player could work.

There's also a thing called DLNA, a standard for connecting
multimedia devices. But typically a client in that case,
has an LCD screen, to allow selection of a particular file
from the server. As a test, I installed Serviio (free at the
time) and tested that a second virtual machine running Linux,
could play movies from it. Serviio was my DLNA media server.
So there may be a possibility there, if your AVR has an
interface, and a minimal set of control buttons (arrow keys,
select - with feedback on some tiny LCD).

It's possible WMP is a "push" interface, while DLNA
is more "pull". But you'll be able to figure this out
and give us a lesson :) Because you have an incentive :)
I dunno about that; I'm very much a newbie in this game. But that
AVSFORUM is fantastic and I've asked there.
 
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generic name

I think Windows Media Player can function as a streaming server.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/...media-on-a-network-using-Windows-Media-Player

They mention WMP 11 being the one where media streaming
was integrated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_media_player#Media_streaming

Someone made a comment here, as to the ingredients:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1004532/yamaha-avr-and-the-tversity-server

"My RX-V2700 will see WMP 11 or Twonky..."

So that means at least Windows Media Player could work.

There's also a thing called DLNA, a standard for connecting
multimedia devices. But typically a client in that case,
has an LCD screen, to allow selection of a particular file
from the server. As a test, I installed Serviio (free at the
time) and tested that a second virtual machine running Linux,
could play movies from it. Serviio was my DLNA media server.
So there may be a possibility there, if your AVR has an
interface, and a minimal set of control buttons (arrow keys,
select - with feedback on some tiny LCD).

It's possible WMP is a "push" interface, while DLNA
is more "pull". But you'll be able to figure this out
and give us a lesson :) Because you have an incentive :)

Paul

Yup!...The RX-A1000 was able to see my desktop as a "server" until
I killed/deactivated the media center & media player; it no longer
see my computer as a server even if it is connected to a usb3 2TB hdd
with a copy of all my CDs. My nas is a 3TB WD MyBookLive that do
show up.

Just checked the manual & find that the RX-A1000 can have 16 servers
connected. It looks like that the "server" input is for the selection
of which server to use.

Gotta to goback to TouchSquid to say what I found why the INPUT
SERVER doesn't work! I'm using the TS on my Tab 2 7.0 as the remote
to replace the dead Logitech One due to spilled coffee.
 
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Robin Bignall

Yup!...The RX-A1000 was able to see my desktop as a "server" until
I killed/deactivated the media center & media player; it no longer
see my computer as a server even if it is connected to a usb3 2TB hdd
with a copy of all my CDs. My nas is a 3TB WD MyBookLive that do
show up.

Just checked the manual & find that the RX-A1000 can have 16 servers
connected. It looks like that the "server" input is for the selection
of which server to use.
That's a hell of a nice piece of kit, but I'm not even sure I understand
all of its features.
Thanks for the info; it's been helpful to get me started.
Gotta to goback to TouchSquid to say what I found why the INPUT
SERVER doesn't work! I'm using the TS on my Tab 2 7.0 as the remote
to replace the dead Logitech One due to spilled coffee.
Shit happens!
 

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