XP Service Pack Two - a screw up!

[Jim]

I installed SP 2 on a newer machine with an Athlon AMD 64
bit chip.

On rebooting I could only go to safe mode.

I uninstalled SP 2 and still had the same problem.

Happily, at least, system restore works.

SP 2 has got to be one of the worse viruses out there.

When will Microsoft stop using its whole customer base as
beta testers?

 

[Paul H]

odd how it works for so many other people and not you. I have four PCs, and
it installed fine on them, a variety of hardware old and new involved.

 

[francis gérard]

When will Microsoft stop using its whole customer base as
beta testers?

$$$ speaks louder than words... don't give microsoft your $$$

 

[Guest]

Its only a screw up for people who don't install SP2
right.

 

[RJ]

That's not fair. There are probably as many people who have
had problems with SP2 as those who haven't. Go to any
major IT news site and you will find plenty of articles about
SP2 problems.

And... If You installed software that was supposed to "Fix" your PC, but instead
crashed it, you'd be pissed too.

I just wish people would think twice about installing these MS service
packs. There is a long history of these hit or miss installs.

 

[SlowJet]

So when your car breaks down you throw the motor out?
Or maybe you try to figure out what needs fixed.
Most likely an adjystment or setting.

The AMD 64 has the new memory protection by default.
But there must a hundred post here listing links to
WHAT to do when my PC will not reboot after installing
SP2.

Make that 256.

SJ

 

[Phil]

I installed SP 2 on a newer machine with an Athlon AMD 64
bit chip.

On rebooting I could only go to safe mode.

I uninstalled SP 2 and still had the same problem.

Happily, at least, system restore works.

SP 2 has got to be one of the worse viruses out there.

The fact that you say virus either means your mad and making a dumb
statement or your clueless with computers.
If you'd done any research before installing sp2 on a 64 bit system you'd
see that there have been problems for some 64 bit users. Although much of
the problems I read about had to do with gaming and video cards.

When will Microsoft stop using its whole customer base as
beta testers?

Whole customers base? You're using an amd 64 bit system which probably has a
customer base of under 1%. 64 bit is new technology and its going to take
time to work it out.

 

[Phil]

That's not fair. Any IT website isn't going to waste time reporting on all
the people who had good installs. And the good installs don't make it to
newsgroups either. Only bad things about sp2, bugs, and bad installs makes
"for good news" and that's why its reported on IT and news websites.
For what I can tell in my personal experinece is that 90% of the sp2
installs go fine and 10% go bad. That's not bad odds at all.

 

[RJ]

You obviously don't go to IT news sites... if you did,
you would see there are articles about the positive and negative
results of SP2 installs.
And you must not read the posts in this newsgroup either.
There are many positive results of SP2 installs.

But just because one person had a good/or bad experience with SP2,
does not mean Everyone will have that same experience.

It's a gamble with MS service packs. It always has been.
Anyone who has worked with MS products for any period of time knows this.
You have to plan for the worst, and hope for the best.

 

[francis gérard]

Its only a screw up for people who don't install SP2
right.

oh that's brilliant, homer

 

[Phil]

You obviously don't go to IT news sites... if you did,
you would see there are articles about the positive and negative
results of SP2 installs.

I do read those sites, but lets face it. Only bad news sells, period. Daily
newspapers and newscasts are full of bad news because that's what sells.
You're always going to see more bad than good in the news.

And you must not read the posts in this newsgroup either.
There are many positive results of SP2 installs.

Same with newsgroups, especially this one. Sure you'll see some good result
posts, but in general this is a group for problems so you see those bad
installs far more than anything. So using this newsgroup as a reference for
good installs doesn't makes sense to me.

But just because one person had a good/or bad experience with SP2,
does not mean Everyone will have that same experience.

Exactly my point. Just because some have bad installs doesn't mean everyone
will have problems. Most, and I'm sure it's more than 50% have no probs at
all.

It's a gamble with MS service packs. It always has been.
Anyone who has worked with MS products for any period of time knows
this.
You have to plan for the worst, and hope for the best.

I've used windows since windows 3.0. Yes plan for the worst is always a good
idea, but in my experience service packs are painless and non eventfull, for
me and my customers. Maybe it's because I keep my machines in tip top shape.
It's never been an issue or a gamble with me.

 

[francis gérard]

I do read those sites, but lets face it. Only bad news sells, period.
Daily newspapers and newscasts are full of bad news because that's what
sells. You're always going to see more bad than good in the news.

so true, eh... and a sad commentary on our so-called modern society

Same with newsgroups, especially this one. Sure you'll see some good
result posts, but in general this is a group for problems so you see those
bad installs far more than anything. So using this newsgroup as a
reference for good installs doesn't makes sense to me.

exactly... those who've had no post-SP2 issues are likely getting-on with
their lives and not hanging-out in these groups griping about the problems
with SP2, so obviously the majority of articles posted will be from those
who've had negative experiences with SP2, but they don't necessarily
represent the majority. however, that should not diminish the fact that
there ARE people who've had serious problems with SP2, but i think
(speculate) they are in the minority.

I've used windows since windows 3.0. Yes plan for the worst is always a
good idea, but in my experience service packs are painless and non
eventfull, for me and my customers. Maybe it's because I keep my machines
in tip top shape. It's never been an issue or a gamble with me.

that has been my experience as well, service packs are designed to fix known
bugs, not create new ones (not to say they're aren't any), i think the
majority don't have problems, but given the diversity of Windows systems out
there (and their inherent hardware complexities), it should come as no
surprise, there will be some systems that will choke on a service pack.

 

[SlowJet]

Frustrating isn't it?

Half of all P/C users can't find MS on a map.

Isn't "Common Sense" a new Master Degree program from
Pheix Univerity? It goes along with the Genius IQ now
being 130 vs. the old standard of 160.

It makes a big percentage of the people smarter than
their P/C's now.
But their P/C's can get paid overtime, now.

SJ

 

[\old\ devildog]

The SP2 works well for me ...I had no problems on install except getting
over the jitters given to me reading to "bad" crap from the "DOOM & GLOOM"
people. SP2 was needed to get a more secure OS ... because too many punks
out there trying to out-write the others and bring the computers on the
internet crashing down... they think it is a game ... Microsoft wouldn't
need to do all of this if the punks were really made to pay for their
crimes online ..... I personally think a rope around the neck would be nice
.... but that is just my option .... just think of all the billions of
dollars these punks have cost everyone world wide .... We will have these
upgrades as long as there is an internet and as long as some punk kid thinks
it is funny to damage someones computer system ....

Too many punks and not enough rope ... what is a retired Marine to do
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"old" devildog
Semper Fi
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[RJ]

Too many punks and not enough rope ... what is a retired Marine to do<

What a shame- for someone who has been around in life, and has not learned more.
That is a disturbing statement. I hope you don't live near me.

 

[francis gérard]

Frustrating isn't it?

Half of all P/C users can't find MS on a map.

Isn't "Common Sense" a new Master Degree program from
Pheix Univerity? It goes along with the Genius IQ now
being 130 vs. the old standard of 160.

It makes a big percentage of the people smarter than
their P/C's now.
But their P/C's can get paid overtime, now.

the outdated intelligence quotient is a limited and *meaningless* indicator
of human abilities, emotional intelligence is a more realistic measure of
human potential and achievement

'smart' people know this

 

[francis gérard]

The SP2 works well for me ...I had no problems on install except getting
over the jitters given to me reading to "bad" crap from the "DOOM & GLOOM"
people. SP2 was needed to get a more secure OS ... because too many
punks out there trying to out-write the others and bring the computers on
the internet crashing down... they think it is a game ... Microsoft
wouldn't need to do all of this if the punks were really made to pay for
their crimes online ..... I personally think a rope around the neck would
be nice ... but that is just my option .... just think of all the billions
of dollars these punks have cost everyone world wide .... We will have
these upgrades as long as there is an internet and as long as some punk
kid thinks it is funny to damage someones computer system ....

Too many punks and not enough rope ... what is a retired Marine to do

you are so wrong if you think that it's just a bunch of 'punk kids' writing
viral code for kicks... this is a big business my friend, from which many
big companies are $$$cashing-in$$$... and perpetuating. in a market driven
economy, what better way to drive your market... pay the 'blackhats' to keep
you in business. this is no joke, and you don't even need to think
critically to understand and realize that it's by design.

as for the rope around necks, i guess we should all be thankful that you're
retired and not in a position to hang people, but i'm sure you're just
joking... right? ;->

 

[SlowJet]

Hi Francis,

I am sure emotional people would agree.

And smart people can tell a joking around from a serious
point of debate, IQ, SQ, or EQ.

So why are you raging my ass lately when we started out
pretty good?

Did you read my post in "I wish ... " thread?

Whut'ssamattermatha?

SJ

 

[francis gérard]

Hi Francis,

I am sure emotional people would agree.

are you saying i'm emotional!!! ;-]

And smart people can tell a joking around from a serious
point of debate, IQ, SQ, or EQ.

oh the fact is, human diversity it too fluid and complex (thankfully) to
categorize people according to these meaningless factors, and insulting to
one's 'intelligence' too, if you'll pardon the pun

So why are you raging my @ss lately when we started out
pretty good?

raging your @ss? (<-- censored by nntp server) i thought we were having a
friendly little, albeit emphatic at times, discussion. although i sometimes
have difficulty deciphering your articles, i'm not sure if it's the pot
you're smoking or just poor grammar. ;-)

Did you read my post in "I wish ... " thread?

i musta missed that one... point me in the right direction

Whut'ssamattermatha?

listn2umuriel! ;->

 

[SlowJet]

oh the fact is, human diversity it too fluid and complex (thankfully) to
categorize people according to these meaningless factors, and insulting to
one's 'intelligence' too, if you'll pardon the pun

I agree but from my experince intelect only gets insulted
when it runs into intellect.

raging your @ss? (<-- censored by nntp server) i thought we were having a
friendly little, albeit emphatic at times, discussion. although i sometimes
have difficulty deciphering your articles, i'm not sure if it's the pot
you're smoking or just poor grammar. ;-)

Well I'm glade of that because that's what I thoth, too.
But you seemed upset the last few posts?
Hard to hear a web page.

It's not pot. It's not the grammer (wll maybe a little.)
but it's late nights and no spell checker.
Besides, you're the one with the accents.
Maybe your English came from a book that needed a Service
Pack? No one has talked that formal on the west coast
since 1958.


Forget the "I wish .." thread, or we may be right back
here again. lol

I will try to be more formal and detail in my dumbed down
responses to panicing kids with broke puters so you can
read my grammer.

Love and Hugs,
Have a Nice day,

SJ

-----Original Message-----

Hi Francis,

I am sure emotional people would agree.

are you saying i'm emotional!!! ;-]

And smart people can tell a joking around from a serious
point of debate, IQ, SQ, or EQ.

oh the fact is, human diversity it too fluid and complex (thankfully) to
categorize people according to these meaningless factors, and insulting to
one's 'intelligence' too, if you'll pardon the pun

So why are you raging my @ss lately when we started out
pretty good?

raging your @ss? (<-- censored by nntp server) i thought we were having a
friendly little, albeit emphatic at times, discussion. although i sometimes
have difficulty deciphering your articles, i'm not sure if it's the pot
you're smoking or just poor grammar. ;-)

Did you read my post in "I wish ... " thread?

i musta missed that one... point me in the right direction

Whut'ssamattermatha?

listn2umuriel! ;->
--
francis

ps i'm joking about the pot... that would probably improve your grammar
actually ;->


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