XP PRO 64 available in HOME editions?

[Pedro Sanchez]

All I see is "xp pro 64" editions. Is there/are there a version "xp
HOME 64"?
I noticed the xp pro 64 is under $150 most places..


So they skipped home and went to pro on 64?

 

[Shenan Stanley]

All I see is "xp pro 64" editions. Is there/are there a version "xp
HOME 64"?
I noticed the xp pro 64 is under $150 most places..

So they skipped home and went to pro on 64?

The "Home" line just didn't extend to 64bit - I would bet assuming those who
purchased it whenever it first came out would likely need the features of
professional anyway.

Later OSes - now that 64bit is a more common commodity - will likely support
64bit at most levels.

 

[Pedro Sanchez]

The "Home" line just didn't extend to 64bit - I would bet assuming those who
purchased it whenever it first came out would likely need the features of
professional anyway.

Later OSes - now that 64bit is a more common commodity - will likely support
64bit at most levels.

MS better not get smarty pants and start charging $hundreds per OS
they sell.

I know a LOT of people who say they will only upgrade from XP HOME
kicking and screaming. And it's the price that is what makes people
stay.

Previously, like win95 upgrade to win98/xp, it made sense to upgrade
often. NOW, people could likely keep using xp for 3-5 years and never
miss a beat. Meantime, MS will be selling the low-end version of Vista
for $299.99 and will wonder why the sales are so low.

And OS, even a damn good one, shouldn't cost more than $100, period.

$100 X number of people = $gatesville city

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

I am not sure where you get your prices since Microsoft has made no
statements about what the price of Vista will be.

But there are a lot of sites feeding off rumours, assumptions and guesses of
prices.
We all know how reliable rumours and assumptions are.

As for the price, Windows has been about the same price since Windows 95.
But if you take into account inflation, the price could easily be double for
Windows XP, but it isn't.

As for "shouldn't cost more than $100, period.", that sounds good for
buyers, but is not necessarily realistic.
Do you also believe server operating systems should also be no more than
$100?
They are operating systems.
Your same reasoning can be used on automobiles, homes etc.
But the reality is in our economy, the seller sets the price and the buyer
chooses whether the price is acceptable or not.
The key point is the buyer chooses.

 

[Pedro Sanchez]

As for "shouldn't cost more than $100, period.", that sounds good for
buyers, but is not necessarily realistic.
Do you also believe server operating systems should also be no more than
$100?
They are operating systems.
Your same reasoning can be used on automobiles, homes etc.
But the reality is in our economy, the seller sets the price and the buyer
chooses whether the price is acceptable or not.
The key point is the buyer chooses.

MS knows an exact number of people who will buy vista at $199.99
They also know they would make the same or more money by charging
$99.99. MORE PEOPLE will buy something when it's cheaper.

A house doesn't require a computer OS to stand. Nor do cars, boats,
etc.

Comparing Prices of OS's to Houses is really, well, stupid.

Also, I NEVER said anything about servers os's.

I'm talking about those people who make under $10 per hour, have kids
and wife, and aren't ready to spend $200-$300 for a newer OS.

I will right now predict the price of the lowest-end version of VISTA

Prediction is $149.99
And that is $49.99 too much.

Sorry if I sound angry but I am..

 

[Shenan Stanley]

MS knows an exact number of people who will buy vista at $199.99
They also know they would make the same or more money by charging
$99.99. MORE PEOPLE will buy something when it's cheaper.

A house doesn't require a computer OS to stand. Nor do cars, boats,
etc.

Comparing Prices of OS's to Houses is really, well, stupid.

Also, I NEVER said anything about servers os's.

I'm talking about those people who make under $10 per hour, have
kids and wife, and aren't ready to spend $200-$300 for a newer OS.

I will right now predict the price of the lowest-end version of
VISTA

Prediction is $149.99
And that is $49.99 too much.

Sorry if I sound angry but I am..

Supply and demand..
Hasn't broken in a long time - only *seems* to break when false limits are
put on it.

 

[Shenan Stanley]

MS knows an exact number of people who will buy vista at $199.99
They also know they would make the same or more money by charging
$99.99. MORE PEOPLE will buy something when it's cheaper.

A house doesn't require a computer OS to stand. Nor do cars, boats,
etc.

Comparing Prices of OS's to Houses is really, well, stupid.

Also, I NEVER said anything about servers os's.

I'm talking about those people who make under $10 per hour, have
kids and wife, and aren't ready to spend $200-$300 for a newer OS.

I will right now predict the price of the lowest-end version of
VISTA

Prediction is $149.99
And that is $49.99 too much.

Sorry if I sound angry but I am..

Supply and demand..
Hasn't broken in a long time - only *seems* to break when false
limits are put on it.

Perhaps I should clarify further...

First - I will take your reply and point out some things..

A house does not require and OS to stand.. But it requires a foundation.
That foundation costs money - can be lots of it.
Sure - you can build on dirt, bet you end up with problems.

A car does not require an OS.. but in order to be more than just a house, it
requires a motor and wheels (good wheels) to make it move.
Those things cost money - can be lots of it.
Sure - you could push it everywhere or get it towed a lot - bet you spend
money there.

Boats do not require an OS.. but in order to be a viable boat - it must
float.
That ability and the materials that make it work cost money - can be lots of
it.
Sure - you could find some junk intertubes an make a boat - bet it's not
what you really want though.

Point - in order to make things work the way someone wants it to (not work
period - but to the satisfaction of the end-user) - they may have to spend
money to get the services/products from someone who produces it. How much
should those services cost? That is usually determined by supply and
demand. Too much supply, not enough demand - the price may lower so the
stockpile can be reduced and losses cut. Too much demand and not enough
supply - prices may rise and only those who can afford it can get it.

And no - you never said anything about server OSes.. but that doesn't stop
anyone else from mentioning it.

Do those people who are making under $10 an hour with a family to support
*need* Vista? If they truly *need* vista - then that is demand and they
will likely find a way of getting it (legally or otherwise.) My bet is they
do not *need* Vista. They do not *need* Windows XP. They probably didn't
*need* that computer - but maybe they got it to give their children more
options - to better themselves or help them with schoolwork or whatever.. Or
perhaps their intentions were not as noble - their reasons are known only to
them and anyone they are willing to share that with.

If you are not ready to purchase something and/or you cannot afford it - you
do without, find an alternative or find another way to get the thing you
desire/need. I don't remember anyone saying, "You have a computer - now you
must install Vista on it, that is this much more.. You should get Microsoft
office as well - that is this much more.. Don't forget....."

Maybe it is true that the consumer is not usually presented with all the
choices they should be.

Sure - for under $300 they could get a decent fast computer - usually with
OS - but sometimes not.. Then they could use their work computer
(work-supplied) to perhaps download their favorite flavor of *nix (or the
one the one they read about and thought they would give a shot.) They burn
that to CD/DVD and bring it home and install it on the computer.. Then they
go get OpenOffice and all the other free applications out there that they
need/want to use. All the different free alternatives to Microsoft Office,
Internet Explorer, MSN Messenger, etc.. And they learn from the ground up..

or..

They walk into Circuit City, Best Buy, etc and go to "inexperienced and
working part-time" employee #6745 and say, "I need to get my _______ a
computer for ___________ - what options do I have?" and employee #6745 shows
them a few computers, tells them about their "great financing if they use
their store credit card" and the fantastic "money back if they sign up for
one to three years of ________ internet service" and basically leads them
down the road of the uninformed consumer. Done. Buy. Bring home. Unpack.
Infect. Bring back to store to clean. Bring home. Re-infect.

In other words - if the price is too high and you buy anyway - particularly
in this case - then that is a choice you made. No one MADE you buy Windows
XP. You chose to buy it or the computer that came with it. Sure - it may
have been a great deal - cheaper than you could have bought everything
combined individually - but then, why are you complaining? It *was* cheaper
than what you could have done buying the parts and assembling *and* it
included the OS you wanted.

Do you have to upgrade when Vista comes out?
Ask the people running Windows '98 NOW if they have to upgrade when Windows
XP comes out.. Oh wait....

 

[Pedro Sanchez]

Supply and demand..
Hasn't broken in a long time - only *seems* to break when false limits are
put on it.

Supply n demand are true. However I will predict that if the low-end
of vista is ABOVE $200 then they will only sell enough to break even.

Maybe they'll be smart.

Besides all anyone would have to do is crack the registration
algorithm and torrent the file. Heck, I would guess 25% of the XP's in
use right now are from people who never bought it.

I did buy it, for $199.99 only to see it later[3 months] for $99
I feel like an idiot pay twice for the same product.

Ok, I'm done.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"MS knows an exact number of people who will buy vista at $199.99"
Really? How is that possible?
They may have research that will tell them approximates but I would like you
to tell us how they know the exact number of people?

"Comparing Prices of OS's to Houses..."
I did no such thing.
But I attempted to use your same reasoning.

"Also, I NEVER said anything about servers os's."
You said "And OS, even a damn good one..."
That includes servers, so yes, you did.
You did not limit yourself to client or home OSs.

"I'm talking about those people who make under $10 per hour"
I did not see this mentioned in your post.
They probably do not need a new operating system.
The fact many use older OSs now is proof of that.
Windows XP will probably be supported for several more years.
Until then people can wait to make a decision.
That is entirely their choice.

I would reserve anger until the facts are known.
To get angry because of your own prediction sounds like you are making
yourself angry.
And to quote you here "is really, well, stupid."
You may be right, but it is far to early to make conclusions since the facts
are not known.

People can make their own choice when Vista is released and the facts are
known.
Right now too much about Vista is not known, much less the price structure.

 

[Pedro Sanchez]

"MS knows an exact number of people who will buy vista at $199.99"
Really? How is that possible?

I will address this one and maybe we can leave it alone.

MS has a HUGE budget for demographics and knows the exact number
[within 10-20 thousand people] of people who will want/need vista at
certain price levels.

If they go high then fewer os's are sold, go lower and more are sold.

Also good to mention no one needs vista. I may go XP Pro 64 myself.
No hard feelings but I do think some of you kiss M$'s butt a little to
much.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"and knows the exact number[within 10-20 thousand people] of people who will
want/need"
Please post the source for this somewhat precise statistic.

"If they go high then fewer os's are sold, go lower and more are sold."
No one ever denied that.
But it is to the owner to set the price and the buyer to choose.
Regardless the price set, probably someone would complain it was to high.
But it comes back to the choice of the buyer.
The buyer chooses and no one forces the buyer to buy anything.

I am certain Microsoft researches demographics etc, but I doubt the numbers
are that close but I would like to see your source.
Or are you just making it up?

"...some of you kiss M$'s butt a little to much."
Is that what you call it when someone asks for facts and your source?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org

"MS knows an exact number of people who will buy vista at $199.99"
Really? How is that possible?

I will address this one and maybe we can leave it alone.

MS has a HUGE budget for demographics and knows the exact number
[within 10-20 thousand people] of people who will want/need vista at
certain price levels.

If they go high then fewer os's are sold, go lower and more are sold.

Also good to mention no one needs vista. I may go XP Pro 64 myself.
No hard feelings but I do think some of you kiss M$'s butt a little to
much.

 

[Franz Bruyere Jr.]

Do you have to upgrade when Vista comes out?
Ask the people running Windows '98 NOW if they have to upgrade when Windows
XP comes out.. Oh wait....

Hi Shenan,

This is not meant as a flame so I apologize if it sounds like it...

What about the people who were happy running Win 3.x? or DOS? Did they
have a choice on whether to upgrade to win95/98/etc?

Not really. If they want to be able to do common everyday things (like
access the internet) they _had_ to upgrade, or they wouldn't be able to
do those things.

Support goes out the window (pun intended ) every time MS says 'Ok,
we're releasing a new OS and support for xx OS('s) stops on
xxx/xx/xxxx... after that, you're on your own.'

Every version of Win that has been released has (basically) been better
than the previous version... all programs get updated to work with the
newest versions, and the older version stop being supported. Where's the
fairness to the Consumer in this? (This also goes for hardware upgrades
due to new versions higher requirements.)

If a poll were taken today, how much % of the 'computing public' would
still be using DOS? Win 3.x? Win95? I venture to guess that less than 1%
would still be using them (all put together).

I still have DOS things that I use on a fairly regular basis, because
they do what I want them to do.

MS _wants_ everyone to be using the latest and greatest versions of all
of their software... that's business. However, and I don't care what the
'lawyers' think, MS is a monopoly, and I would like to see something
done about them.

They are almost exactly in the same position that Apple was in the
80's... they wrote the OS, made the hardware, _and_ wrote the software.
The government forced Apple to separate the hardware and software
sections, and separate the OS from the rest of the software.

Why hasn't this happened with MS? Probably because they can afford the
best lawyers...

Anyway, I use Win products because, for the most part, they work
together... not because I want to. I'm looking to switch to something
else in the future, probably Linux, because I'm tired of MS shoving
Windows down our throats at $100.00 + every time.

(I am a part-time computer consultant/technician and have worked on
computers for more than 10 years, and been using them for about 25
years. I've seen things come and I've seen things go (Timex/Sinclair
1000, Atari computers, etc) and overall the trend is progress. However,
progress isn't always for the best when it costs more than it should due
to greed.)

Anyway, that's my 'rant' for this year

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"and the older version stop being supported"
True.
But you almost have to ignore the timeframe for that to be an issue.
Windows 9x is a minimum of 6 years old, that is extremely old for
technology.
If it was your product, how long would you expend resources supporting
something fewer and fewer use as time goes on?
Would you support it indefinitely?
Or would you simply draw a line as Microsoft and every other manufacturer
does?

"What about the people who were happy running Win 3.x?..."
Yes, they did have a choice.
They did not need to make it immediately, but they had a choice.

"Support goes out the window (pun intended ) every time..."
No, it does not, Windows XP will probably be supported for several years.

"MS _wants_ everyone to be using the latest and greatest versions..."
Yes That is business and capitalism, and it is seen almost everywhere, not
just in computers and related technologies.
This has nothing to do with monopolies or lawyers since consumers have a
choice.

"I'm tired of MS shoving Windows down our throats at $100.00 + every time."
Not true at all.
Microsoft and others provide the products, you as the consumer choose where
to expend your resources.
If it someone is "shoving Windows down" your throat, that someone is the
person choosing to put that version of Windows on the computer you use.

Also, do not forget the consumer has a major part in this.
We as consumers always want more.
And the more was simply not possible with technology available a while back
or was cost prohibitive.

Sure the manufacturers like it since many consumers want and need the
features, but the manufacturers would get nowhere if CONSUMERS choose not to
upgrade.
If your computer is fine today, why is it suddenly not fine when something
new comes out?
The real easy answer is, it isn't, because as long as it does what it needs
to do, no upgrades are required.

Simply do what many already do.
Replace the computer as it ages and the current OS is normally provided and
far cheaper than the retail versions or even less than the generic OEM
versions.
This is really the best option for most consumers.--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org

 

[Pedro Sanchez]

"and knows the exact number[within 10-20 thousand people] of people who will
want/need"
Please post the source for this somewhat precise statistic.

Did you really think M$ is going to box tens of thousands of units
without first knowing the customer base?

Trust me, they know how many people are going to buy vista.

Pepsi sets manufacturing based on predictable models.
Micro$oft does the same thing.

I am sorta shocked that you even think this is something new???

Did you ever take an economics courses?

Might want to.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Where do you get your numbers from.
This is a big clue "tens of thousands of units"
If that is all Microsoft is counting on, the end has already come and passed
by for Microsoft.

"Pepsi sets manufacturing based on predictable models. Micro$oft does the
same thing."
I never said otherwise.
It is just the numbers you use, they seem quite low.

"I am sorta shocked that you even think this is something new???"
I never said that either.
Why do you think I did?

Please post your source.
Do you have a source or are you speaking only in generalities?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org

"and knows the exact number[within 10-20 thousand people] of people who
will
want/need"
Please post the source for this somewhat precise statistic.

Did you really think M$ is going to box tens of thousands of units
without first knowing the customer base?

Trust me, they know how many people are going to buy vista.

Pepsi sets manufacturing based on predictable models.
Micro$oft does the same thing.

I am sorta shocked that you even think this is something new???

Did you ever take an economics courses?

Might want to.

 

[Pedro Sanchez]

Where do you get your numbers from.
This is a big clue "tens of thousands of units"
If that is all Microsoft is counting on, the end has already come and passed
by for Microsoft.

Read one of the older posts to this thread. I said microsoft knew
"within tens of thousands or so" how many to ship out.
I never said tens of thousands would buy because that is silly.

"Pepsi sets manufacturing based on predictable models. Micro$oft does the
same thing."
I never said otherwise.
It is just the numbers you use, they seem quite low.

"I am sorta shocked that you even think this is something new???"
I never said that either.
Why do you think I did?

Please post your source.
Do you have a source or are you speaking only in generalities?

If you don't understand how businesses plan for releasing a product
then I cannot help you.

But I will wish you a nice day

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"If you don't understand how businesses plan for releasing a product then I
cannot help you."{
I never said that.
I asked for your source for your specific numbers.
So you quote numbers and do not have a source and somehow you conclude I
know nothing about business planning.

 

[Pedro Sanchez]

"If you don't understand how businesses plan for releasing a product then I
cannot help you."{
I never said that.
I asked for your source for your specific numbers.
So you quote numbers and do not have a source and somehow you conclude I
know nothing about business planning.

Can we just drop it already? I mean, I wish no ill will toward you.
It's just a disagreement and nothing more on my part.

Have a good day.