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Leythos
20100221 said:
Then you should have conditioned your statement to indicate that.
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Ken Blake, MVP
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He is not new at all but keeps he changing his name. He is usually deleted off the
server and that is the reason why . He is a Troll and has a very vile tongue
Anybody who keeps changing his name does it avoid people's killfiles.
By definition, that makes him a troll.
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Daave
Leythos said:What a person CAN do and what is legit are often two different things.
Pirating software, as you describe above, is unethical and dishonest,
something that selfish and immature types do and advocate.
Dell branded OS's are OEM licensed for installation ONLY on the system
the media was provided with. If you are installing it on a NON-DELL
computer then you're clearly violating the licensing agreement and an
unethical person.
Anonymous Numbers Man didn't state whether or not he had a license to
run Windows, and my intention is not to defend him.
However, if I have a PC that someone built for me along with a generic
OEM XP Home installation CD and accompanying Product Key, I clearly have
a license to run XP on my rig. If my CD proves to be too damaged to work
and I have access to Dell-branded OEM XP Home installation CD (let's say
I have a Dell upstairs), it could very well work on my non-Dell PC. As
others have described their experiences, since I am installing it on a
non-Dell motherboard, of course, System-Locked Preinstallation (SLP)
cannot and will not occur. As a result, I am then given the opportunity
to enter my legit Product Key (remember: I do have a license to run XP
Home on this PC!), it works, and I later activate. I see nothing at all
unethical about this. The matter is the license, not the method of
installation.
Of course, if it were possible to use Dell's non-transferrable license
and golden master key (the one from the Dell CD) on a PC that is not
licensed to run XP (let's say that the custom-built PC came with Linux),
then you are correct; *that* certainly would be unethical! But because
of the SLP technology, I do not believe this is possible to do with a
non-Dell motherboard anyway. But if it is possible, it certainly would
be unethical.
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Anybody who keeps changing his name does it avoid people's killfiles.
By definition, that makes him a troll.
Either that or he or she has an identity crisis.
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Leythos said:Piracy is unethical.
"Unethical" is a subjective judgment, usually based on some religion; in
your case, probably Christianity. In Gypsy societies, for example, not
only is stealing ethical, it's taught to their children and considered a
good way to make a living. So, at the end of the day, all you can say is
that you think your god would disapprove and you would go to Hell after
you die if you don't follow the ethics of your religion. This does not,
however, give you the right to push your ethics on others, although
Christianity doesn't have a strong record of not doing such.
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Leythos
[email protected] said:"Unethical" is a subjective judgment
And yet you clearly understand my statement and position on your piracy.
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Leythos said:And yet you clearly understand my statement and position on your piracy.
What piracy? And why did you snip the rest of my post? Inconvenient
truth for you or what?
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Daave
C said:"Unethical" is a subjective judgment, usually based on some religion;
Almost everything is subjective. However, consensus (like with most
climatologists' acceptance of the phenomenon of anthropomorphic climate
change) can be measured and expressed objectively.
Also, religion is certainly not necessary for ethics. Many ethics (and
ethicists for that matter) are agnostic or atheist.
In the dominant culture, there is a consensus on what is and isn't
ethical (not 100% agreement, but a definite consensus, nonetheless). I
would say it is safe to say that the pirating of software or DVDs is not
considered by most to be ethical behavior.
in your case, probably Christianity. In Gypsy societies, for example,
not only is stealing ethical, it's taught to their children and
considered a good way to make a living.
I am not an expert on "Gypsy societies," so I have no comment on the
veracity of that. However, stealing is considered unethical in the
larger, dominant society that most of the participants in this newsgroup
are a part of.
So, at the end of the day,
all you can say is that you think your god would disapprove and you
would go to Hell after you die if you don't follow the ethics of your
religion.
God has very little, if anything at all, to do with ethics, IMO. You can
easily argue that ethics as well as other societal features have
developed as a result of evolution. For an enlightening perspective, I
refer you to B.F. Skinner's Beyond Freedom and Dignity.
This does not, however, give you the right to push your
ethics on others, although Christianity doesn't have a strong record
of not doing such.
I am no apologist for Chrisitianity, so again I have no comment one way
or the other. Although you may disagree with Leythos's statement, he has
every right to express it, just as you do to dispute it.
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And yet you clearly understand my statement and position on your piracy.
What exactly does piracy mean? Is the act of violating somebody's patent
piracy?
It seems nobody knows what this term actually mean.
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Leythos
What exactly does piracy mean? Is the act of violating somebody's patent
piracy?
It seems nobody knows what this term actually mean.
It's clear from your trolling that you know exactly what is meant by
Piracy in this context.
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Daave said:Almost everything is subjective.
You missed the "judgment" part.
However, consensus (like with most
climatologists' acceptance of the phenomenon of anthropomorphic climate
change) can be measured and expressed objectively.
You mean like the consensus the US Senate almost never reaches?
Also, religion is certainly not necessary for ethics. Many ethics (and
ethicists for that matter) are agnostic or atheist.
I would venture to say that the ethics of an agnostic or atheist
originated in religion of some sort.
In the dominant culture, there is a consensus on what is and isn't
ethical (not 100% agreement, but a definite consensus, nonetheless). I
would say it is safe to say that the pirating of software or DVDs is not
considered by most to be ethical behavior.
If the downloading of music, software and videos could be banned, most
ISPs would go out of business. So, in the Internet Culture, you're
wrong. To which culture are you referring to as "dominant"?
I am not an expert on "Gypsy societies," so I have no comment on the
veracity of that.
It's true.
However, stealing is considered unethical in the
larger, dominant society that most of the participants in this newsgroup
are a part of.
In a lot of countries (including some in Western Europe), downloading
music, videos and software is not illegal if they are not to be used for
profit. It's only in the US culture that grandmas and teenagers are
fined hundreds of thousands of dollars per downloaded song. Do you think
that's ethical!?
God has very little, if anything at all, to do with ethics, IMO.
God doesn't exist but for Christians, he has everything to do with ti.
You can
easily argue that ethics as well as other societal features have
developed as a result of evolution. For an enlightening perspective, I
refer you to B.F. Skinner's Beyond Freedom and Dignity.
I used to date his daughter. She turned me on to grass when it was a
felony to possess. Her dad smoked it too. So much for consensual,
dominant culture ethics.
I am no apologist for Chrisitianity, so again I have no comment one way
or the other. Although you may disagree with Leythos's statement, he has
every right to express it, just as you do to dispute it.
Of course he does and I have a right to tell him to keep his moralizing
to himself.
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Leythos said:It's clear from your trolling that you know exactly what is meant by
Piracy in this context.
You accused me of piracy out of the blue and now won't explain. Where is
your proof?
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Unknown
That's just ANONYMOUS or 20100221 spouting off again.
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Leythos
[email protected] said:You accused me of piracy out of the blue and now won't explain. Where is
your proof?
If you follow the thread you would understand what I said and why,
troll.
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Twayne
Hey Imposter of Leythos,
Go crawl back under your rock! OK PCBUTTS?
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Go crawl back under your rock! OK PCBUTTS?
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