XP In Four Computers

[kurttrail]

But MSes potential not knowing does not equal their EULA meaning
nothing.

Then how can they possibly legally enforce [in a court of law] their
so-called "license" on people that have every right to remain totally
anonymous to them? It's a matter of logic. No license exist between
two parties, if one party has no right to know who the other party even
is.

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[Ron Martell]

From what I understand, if you are using a OEM version on ME, then you CAN
NOT upgrade the OEM version of ME to XP. YOu have to legally purchase XP
for the 4 computers. OEM versions of software are NOT transferable, or
upgradable.

That is not correct.

OEM versions are fully upgradable.

OEM versions, once installed, are not transferrable *except* as a
package deal including both the computer and the OEM software.

See http://onlinehelp.bc.ca/oem_software.htm for a full discussion of
this subject.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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[Bob Henry]

whether one believes it is one thing. One should follow it however because
if they don't abide by the agreement, they are in vilolation.

 

[kurttrail]

whether one believes it is one thing. One should follow it however
because if they don't abide by the agreement, they are in vilolation.

Of What? MS's pipe-dreams that they are too chicken to enforce by legal
means, in a court of law. Please! There are no laws that make breaking
any contractual agreement, in and of itself.

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[Bob Henry]

from your website:

With an OEM version of Windows the license is permanently tied to the first
computer that it is installed on and cannot be legally transferred to a
different computer. This holds true even if the original computer is
destroyed or stolen. With a retail version of Windows the license belongs
to the purchaser and it can therefore be transferred from one machine to
another, provided it is removed from the first machine. The retail version
can also be sold by the original purchaser to another person, again provided
it has been uninstalled or is sold together with the computer that it is
installed on. However the second purchaser cannot subsequently sell that
license again to another person.

Who in their right mind would by an OEM version and not install it? I don't
know of a single person that their OEM software has never been installed.
Take for example, I by a brand new Dell, Gateway, Compaq, HP, Emachine,
whatever computer, just like over half the people who own a computer has
done. Let's say it comes with Win 2000. I get it and I don't like Win
2000, so I go out and by an "upgrade" to XP pro. I have now done something
illegal. This is what gets most people in trouble because they think they
can upgrade from from OS to another and be legal, but when it comes down to
it, it is not when they purchase a Dell, Gateway, Compaq, HP, Emachine,
whatever computer.

 

[kurttrail]

from your website:

With an OEM version of Windows the license is permanently tied to the
first computer that it is installed on and cannot be legally
transferred to a different computer. This holds true even if the
original computer is destroyed or stolen. With a retail version of
Windows the license belongs to the purchaser and it can therefore be
transferred from one machine to another, provided it is removed from
the first machine. The retail version can also be sold by the
original purchaser to another person, again provided it has been
uninstalled or is sold together with the computer that it is
installed on. However the second purchaser cannot subsequently sell
that license again to another person.

Who in their right mind would by an OEM version and not install it?
I don't know of a single person that their OEM software has never
been installed. Take for example, I by a brand new Dell, Gateway,
Compaq, HP, Emachine, whatever computer, just like over half the
people who own a computer has done. Let's say it comes with Win
2000. I get it and I don't like Win 2000, so I go out and by an
"upgrade" to XP pro. I have now done something illegal. This is
what gets most people in trouble because they think they can upgrade
from from OS to another and be legal, but when it comes down to it,
it is not when they purchase a Dell, Gateway, Compaq, HP, Emachine,
whatever computer.

You can upgrade a OEM version of MS software to a newer version no
matter who the PC Manufacturer is, even if you are your own computer
manufacturer. You just can't move it from the original computer it was
installed on, according to MS's EULA & post-EULA policies.

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[Bob Henry]

No one had really tired to inforce it. But I guess that's why we have the
BSA.

 

[kurttrail]

Of What? MS's pipe-dreams that they are too chicken to enforce by
legal means, in a court of law. Please! There are no laws that make
breaking any contractual agreement, in and of itself.

There are no laws that make breaking any contractual agreement *illegal*
*or* *a* *violation* *of* *anything*, in and of itself.

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[Bob Henry]

obviously you are one of the reason's we pay so much for software because
you use it illegaly. Just wait until the BSA shows up at your door.

 

[kurttrail]

obviously you are one of the reason's we pay so much for software
because you use it illegaly. Just wait until the BSA shows up at
your door.

I'll tell them to get a warrent.

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[kurttrail]

No one had really tired to inforce it. But I guess that's why we
have the BSA.

What are the Boy Scouts gonna do? As for the Business Software
Alliance, they have never gone after any private individual, only
businesses. So I guess you still don't understand why the BSA exists.

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[Ron Martell]

from your website:

With an OEM version of Windows the license is permanently tied to the first
computer that it is installed on and cannot be legally transferred to a
different computer. This holds true even if the original computer is
destroyed or stolen. With a retail version of Windows the license belongs
to the purchaser and it can therefore be transferred from one machine to
another, provided it is removed from the first machine. The retail version
can also be sold by the original purchaser to another person, again provided
it has been uninstalled or is sold together with the computer that it is
installed on. However the second purchaser cannot subsequently sell that
license again to another person.

Who in their right mind would by an OEM version and not install it? I don't
know of a single person that their OEM software has never been installed.
Take for example, I by a brand new Dell, Gateway, Compaq, HP, Emachine,
whatever computer, just like over half the people who own a computer has
done. Let's say it comes with Win 2000. I get it and I don't like Win
2000, so I go out and by an "upgrade" to XP pro. I have now done something
illegal. This is what gets most people in trouble because they think they
can upgrade from from OS to another and be legal, but when it comes down to
it, it is not when they purchase a Dell, Gateway, Compaq, HP, Emachine,
whatever computer.

You have not done anything wrong by upgrading your OEM Windows 2000 to
Windows XP. Nothing at all.

What my web page says is that you cannot remove the OEM Windows 2000
from your own computer and install it onto your brother's computer (or
your wife's or anyone else's computer or even another computer that
you own).

That OEM license and the computer itself become an integrated package
and the components cannot be separated.

When you install an upgrade to Windows XP the upgrade license is only
a partial license that is totally dependent on your also owning a
license for an earlier version of Windows. Those two licenses in
effect become merged to give you a full license for the upgrade
version based on the combined licenses.

Hope this clarifies the situation.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."

 

[Bob Henry]

You have not done anything wrong by upgrading your OEM Windows 2000 to
Windows XP. Nothing at all.

k, I'm finding more on this.

What my web page says is that you cannot remove the OEM Windows 2000
from your own computer and install it onto your brother's computer (or
your wife's or anyone else's computer or even another computer that
you own).


correct


That OEM license and the computer itself become an integrated package
and the components cannot be separated.

Again, correct

When you install an upgrade to Windows XP the upgrade license is only
a partial license that is totally dependent on your also owning a
license for an earlier version of Windows. Those two licenses in
effect become merged to give you a full license for the upgrade
version based on the combined licenses.

Sounds kind of kinky.

 

[Christian]

Not normally, if you have access to a corporate upgrade Windows XP that is
licensed for XXX computers then yes. Some people burn copies of the
"corporate" Windows XP disk and use it for there own use. I found one of
these corporate disks at a flea market sale, but I did not buy it.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Greetings --

4 PCs require 4 licenses.

As it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems, it's
necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and copyright laws,
if not technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on
which it is installed. The only way in which WinXP licensing differs
from that of earlier versions of Windows is that Microsoft has finally
added a copy protection and anti-theft mechanism, Product Activation,
to prevent (or at least make more difficult) multiple installations
using a single license.


Bruce Chambers

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[kurttrail]

Greetings --

4 PCs require 4 licenses.

As it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft operating systems, it's
necessary (to be in compliance with both the EULA and copyright laws,
if not technically) to purchase one WinXP license for each computer on
which it is installed. The only way in which WinXP licensing differs
from that of earlier versions of Windows is that Microsoft has finally
added a copy protection and anti-theft mechanism, Product Activation,
to prevent (or at least make more difficult) multiple installations
using a single license.

So says the guy that can't even come up with one copyright law that an
individual would not be in compliance with by installing WinXP on more
than one computer.

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