XP Dual Boot across two physical HDD - Help Please

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the deal for being an MVP
is already in place, i.e.. "cheap"
customer service for Microsoft.

as they say, we and Microsoft
customer get what we pay for
when looking for q&a at this
site, including sarcasm, unprofessional-ism,
insults and piss poor selection by
the MVP program administrators...

oh wait, they have no real criterion
for being a dedicated contributor
in the Microsoft Volunteer Program.

what a shame and a sham.
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
I don't recall asking
for your unprofessional
opinion - M.V.P.

"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
"since the slave drive you
just added was formerly
a master, then you should
do a repair install on that
drive.

that way the o.s. can be resync'd
and a dual boot menu will be
created as well.

afterwards, the newly repaired
o.s. will be the default o.s. on
the boot menu. however, you
can modify the boot.ini later."

_______________________

Where did you get this? As Timothy said, what nonsense.

<snip>

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]


Lol, but you got it, and Timothy's. Why? Because what you wrote is
nonsense.
 
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
the deal for being an MVP
is already in place, i.e.. "cheap"
customer service for Microsoft.

as they say, we and Microsoft
customer get what we pay for
when looking for q&a at this
site, including sarcasm, unprofessional-ism,
insults and piss poor selection by
the MVP program administrators...

oh wait, they have no real criterion
for being a dedicated contributor
in the Microsoft Volunteer Program.

what a shame and a sham.







Another scathing remark from the 'pot calling the kettle black' troll with
zero credibility. This db moron is guilty of the same things he criticizes
others for, has no clue how to use a newsreader, capitalization, grammer or
punctuation and can't figure out how to post without using html. Talk about
a shame and a sham.
 
ps:

fortunately, there are a few
Microsoft MVP's who are professionals
and reflect their character with
their responses / postings.

however, these qualities are
not mandated by the
Microsoft Volunteer Program.

The only requirement is that of the
standing obligation:
"to actively participate on these newsgroups".

The obvious conclusion being that a
Microsoft MVP can resolve issues or create them,
even though the title implies otherwise.



"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message the deal for being an MVP
is already in place, i.e.. "cheap"
customer service for Microsoft.

as they say, we and Microsoft
customer get what we pay for
when looking for q&a at this
site, including sarcasm, unprofessional-ism,
insults and piss poor selection by
the MVP program administrators...

oh wait, they have no real criterion
for being a dedicated contributor
in the Microsoft Volunteer Program.

what a shame and a sham.
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
I don't recall asking
for your unprofessional
opinion - M.V.P.

"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
"since the slave drive you
just added was formerly
a master, then you should
do a repair install on that
drive.

that way the o.s. can be resync'd
and a dual boot menu will be
created as well.

afterwards, the newly repaired
o.s. will be the default o.s. on
the boot menu. however, you
can modify the boot.ini later."

_______________________

Where did you get this? As Timothy said, what nonsense.

<snip>

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]


Lol, but you got it, and Timothy's. Why? Because what you wrote is
nonsense.
 
ps:

fortunately, there are a few
Microsoft MVP's who are professionals
and reflect their character with
their responses / postings.

however, these qualities are
not mandated by the
Microsoft Volunteer Program.

The only requirement is that of the
standing obligation:
"to actively participate on these newsgroups".

The obvious conclusion being that a
Microsoft MVP can resolve issues or create them,
even though the title implies otherwise.

"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message the deal for being an MVP
is already in place, i.e.. "cheap"
customer service for Microsoft.

as they say, we and Microsoft
customer get what we pay for
when looking for q&a at this
site, including sarcasm, unprofessional-ism,
insults and piss poor selection by
the MVP program administrators...

oh wait, they have no real criterion
for being a dedicated contributor
in the Microsoft Volunteer Program.

what a shame and a sham.
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
please keep your
sarcasms confined
to your non MVP responses...

"Rock"wrote
db,

Thanks for your insight. I will look into this.

Don't bother. Look at Timothy's reply.

______________________


I'll stop commenting when you stop posting nonsense. How's that for a deal?
 
our resident net nanny is well known for this.
telling people with little computer knowledge to remove hard drive and install in external enclosure for example.

or simply refusing to provide a well known answer because he disapproves of the question because of group, language, punctuation or any number of other reasons.

it is a prime example of what is wrong with the mvp program these days.



(e-mail address removed)



"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message the deal for being an MVP
is already in place, i.e.. "cheap"
customer service for Microsoft.

as they say, we and Microsoft
customer get what we pay for
when looking for q&a at this
site, including sarcasm, unprofessional-ism,
insults and piss poor selection by
the MVP program administrators...

oh wait, they have no real criterion
for being a dedicated contributor
in the Microsoft Volunteer Program.

what a shame and a sham.
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
please keep your
sarcasms confined
to your non MVP responses...

"Rock"wrote
db,

Thanks for your insight. I will look into this.

Don't bother. Look at Timothy's reply.

______________________


I'll stop commenting when you stop posting nonsense. How's that for a deal?
 
TaraN said:
I have a HD with XP and various applications installed. I removed the drive
from the box, and replaced it with a new drive. I installed XP on the new
drive.

I would like to put the old drive back in as a slave, and at startup have
a
choice as to which drive to boot from.

Is this possible and if so, how? After searching all morning, I can't seem
to find anything on this site that leads me in the right direction. Lot's
of
info on 2 different operating systems dual booting, and on different
partitions on the same drive, but nothing which matches what I am trying
to
accomplish.

Thanks,
Tara


Tara:
I see you've received a number of responses to your query and I trust they
haven't been too confusing to you in terms of determining what course of
action you should embark on. As it happens so often in this type of business
there are frequently alternate ways to achieve the desired objective.

Without trying to confuse the issue any more I may have some comments to
make as well concerning what *I* think would be the best approach for you to
take depending upon what I gather is your ultimate objective in creating
this configuration. Or at least give you another option or options to
consider.

But before making these comments - should you want to pursue this matter
further with me - would you answer the following?... (If I'm repetitive in
these questions, bear with me for a moment or two, OK?)

1. First of all, I assume both HDDs are PATA drives and not SATA ones. And
your new HDD is now connected as Primary Master and you plan to install the
previous HDD (your "old" HDD) as a Slave to that PM. Is all that correct?

2. Setting aside the "new" HDD...if the "old" HDD is solely connected and
you boot to it, there's no problem, right? That drive is perfectly bootable
and functions without any problems, yes?

3. Most importantly...what is the reason or reasons for what you are
planning to do? What I'm asking is why do you want or need two XP operating
systems on separate HDDs that are installed in your machine? No doubt you
have good & sufficient reasons why you want or need this kind of
configuration but it would be helpful if you would explain your reason(s).

4. Is it that you're planning to use your older HDD as a drive on which you
will install different programs and/or user-created data than that which
you've installed on your new HDD? In other words, each drive (although
having the same OS) will be substantially different in terms of the data
that each one contains? And if that be the case, would you think that you
would be booting to one or the other HDD very frequently or would this be a
rather infrequent event?

5. Or, on the other hand, are you thinking either exclusively or primarily
of using that "old" HDD as simply a backup device where you would be
installing duplicate programs and user-created data on that drive for backup
security? So that if your day-to-day working HDD becomes unbootable or
dysfunctional you'll have a "second" HDD at the ready? Would that be the
*primary* reason why you're interested in this dual-boot configuration?

I think it would be really helpful if you would detail the specific reasons
why you desire to undertake this proposed configuration involving your two
HDDs so that you could get responses which would focus on recommending a
direct & practical approach to meet your specific objective.

And just to summarize your present situation...
A. You've fresh installed the XP OS onto your new HDD. That drive boots
without any problems and thereafter functions just fine, right?
B. You installed the XP OS using the same XP installation CD you used to
install the OS on the "old" HDD, right?
C. And when you installed XP on that new HDD you did so while it was
*solely* connected in the system; the "old" HDD was disconnected from the
system at the time of the installation of the OS and still is, right?
D. Other than the XP OS, did you install any programs or other data onto the
new HDD?

Anyway...if you think the responses you've already received are relevant to
your situation and give you sufficient insight as to how to proceed to meet
your objective and/or you've done other research that gives you the kind of
info you need to proceed with your proposed configuration, then just ignore
the preceding and do your thing.
Anna
 
"fortunately, there are a few
Microsoft MVP's who are professionals
and reflect their character with
their responses / postings.

however, these qualities are
not mandated by the
Microsoft Volunteer Program.

The only requirement is that of the
standing obligation:
"to actively participate on these newsgroups".

The obvious conclusion being that a
Microsoft MVP can resolve issues or create them,
even though the title implies otherwise."

_______________________

You really have a very poor understanding of many things, not just the
workings of XP and computers. There is no requirement that MVPs participate
in any newsgroup. That is up to the individual. There are thousands of
MVP's, many do not participate in newsgroups at all.

All this coming from a person who refuses to go along with established
Usenet posting standards, who persists in posting in html, who clips his
line lengths at half the norm - just to name a few things.

But beyond that you have been called for your poor / inapplicable advice on
many occasions by many posters, non MVP and MVP alike. Whenever you are
challenged your standard response is to accuse the poster of a lack of
professionalism. Is that your definition of unprofessional behavior?
Disagreeing with you? Does it make no impact on you that so many different
people challenge your advice?

It is sad that you persist in what you do. I, and others, will continue to
point out when you post incorrect and/or nonsensical advice.

Peer review is one of the values of a technical Usenet newsgroup. Anyone
can comment on anyone's post and it's content. This ensures that the person
asking for help get's the best advice.

<snip>
 
i don't have any misunderstandings
of your attitude. however, i don't
think you understand the first paragraph on:

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpexecsum

historically i considered your unwarranted
remarks as simply indicative of juvenility
and unprofessionalism and i made
little issue of it other than to complain
directly to you.


however, unlike yourself I am not accountable
to anyone here except those i choose
to help.

but as an MVP you are
accountable and like a member
of the public that i belong to, i can raise cain
about bad mvp's, as some may already realize.

http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales/help/help_en-us.htm#RulesofConduct

when you take your responsibilities
as a professional seriously, we
won't be having these conversations........

-------------------------------------------------------
incidentally, if you consider yourself
to be the "P" in the Microsoft MVP, then
what is "Rock MVP" supposed to mean?

Is it your first name, your last name
your middle name, nick name or a
reference to your learning capabilities?

because of your references in
some of your postings you know
very well that professionals
use their first and last names.

reiteration: when you take your responsibilities
as a professional seriously, we
won't be having these conversations........


"fortunately, there are a few
Microsoft MVP's who are professionals
and reflect their character with
their responses / postings.

however, these qualities are
not mandated by the
Microsoft Volunteer Program.

The only requirement is that of the
standing obligation:
"to actively participate on these newsgroups".

The obvious conclusion being that a
Microsoft MVP can resolve issues or create them,
even though the title implies otherwise."

_______________________

You really have a very poor understanding of many things, not just the
workings of XP and computers. There is no requirement that MVPs participate
in any newsgroup. That is up to the individual. There are thousands of
MVP's, many do not participate in newsgroups at all.

All this coming from a person who refuses to go along with established
Usenet posting standards, who persists in posting in html, who clips his
line lengths at half the norm - just to name a few things.

But beyond that you have been called for your poor / inapplicable advice on
many occasions by many posters, non MVP and MVP alike. Whenever you are
challenged your standard response is to accuse the poster of a lack of
professionalism. Is that your definition of unprofessional behavior?
Disagreeing with you? Does it make no impact on you that so many different
people challenge your advice?

It is sad that you persist in what you do. I, and others, will continue to
point out when you post incorrect and/or nonsensical advice.

Peer review is one of the values of a technical Usenet newsgroup. Anyone
can comment on anyone's post and it's content. This ensures that the person
asking for help get's the best advice.

<snip>
 
rest assured the best advise is not coming from with in your cranium.
if it were not for the many mvp web sites with problem solutions you would be lost.



(e-mail address removed)




"fortunately, there are a few
Microsoft MVP's who are professionals
and reflect their character with
their responses / postings.

however, these qualities are
not mandated by the
Microsoft Volunteer Program.

The only requirement is that of the
standing obligation:
"to actively participate on these newsgroups".

The obvious conclusion being that a
Microsoft MVP can resolve issues or create them,
even though the title implies otherwise."

_______________________

You really have a very poor understanding of many things, not just the
workings of XP and computers. There is no requirement that MVPs participate
in any newsgroup. That is up to the individual. There are thousands of
MVP's, many do not participate in newsgroups at all.

All this coming from a person who refuses to go along with established
Usenet posting standards, who persists in posting in html, who clips his
line lengths at half the norm - just to name a few things.

But beyond that you have been called for your poor / inapplicable advice on
many occasions by many posters, non MVP and MVP alike. Whenever you are
challenged your standard response is to accuse the poster of a lack of
professionalism. Is that your definition of unprofessional behavior?
Disagreeing with you? Does it make no impact on you that so many different
people challenge your advice?

It is sad that you persist in what you do. I, and others, will continue to
point out when you post incorrect and/or nonsensical advice.

Peer review is one of the values of a technical Usenet newsgroup. Anyone
can comment on anyone's post and it's content. This ensures that the person
asking for help get's the best advice.

<snip>
 
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
"i don't have any misunderstandings
of your attitude. however, i don't
think you understand the first paragraph on:

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpexecsum

historically i considered your unwarranted
remarks as simply indicative of juvenility
and unprofessionalism and i made
little issue of it other than to complain
directly to you.


however, unlike yourself I am not accountable
to anyone here except those i choose
to help.

but as an MVP you are
accountable and like a member
of the public that i belong to, i can raise cain
about bad mvp's, as some may already realize.

http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales/help/help_en-us.htm#RulesofConduct

when you take your responsibilities
as a professional seriously, we
won't be having these conversations........

-------------------------------------------------------
incidentally, if you consider yourself
to be the "P" in the Microsoft MVP, then
what is "Rock MVP" supposed to mean?

Is it your first name, your last name
your middle name, nick name or a
reference to your learning capabilities?

because of your references in
some of your postings you know
very well that professionals
use their first and last names.

reiteration: when you take your responsibilities
as a professional seriously, we
won't be having these conversations........"
______________________________________

Still don't know how to post do you? Nor, does it seem, can you comprehend
what you read. The paragraph to which you refer makes no statement about a
requirement to participate in newsgroups. It is quite general, with the key
sentence being,

"We present the MVP Award to thank individuals for their exceptional
contributions to technical communities worldwide. "

As opposed to your flawed understanding, which appears to be based solely on
an inability to comprehend what you read, I know the requirements, since I
actually am in the program. Nor is one required to use any particular name
for their nic in a newsgroup.

As long as you don't post nonsense and useless advice, then there won't be
any need to converse.

Another poster, unrelated to this thread, recently called you on what you
are. Can't you get the message?

DB, for your info that was a rhetorical comment. *Sigh* right now I don't
see much hope in it.

<snip>
 
probably the ROCK came from being called a block head.



(e-mail address removed)



"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message i don't have any misunderstandings
of your attitude. however, i don't
think you understand the first paragraph on:

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpexecsum

historically i considered your unwarranted
remarks as simply indicative of juvenility
and unprofessionalism and i made
little issue of it other than to complain
directly to you.


however, unlike yourself I am not accountable
to anyone here except those i choose
to help.

but as an MVP you are
accountable and like a member
of the public that i belong to, i can raise cain
about bad mvp's, as some may already realize.

http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales/help/help_en-us.htm#RulesofConduct

when you take your responsibilities
as a professional seriously, we
won't be having these conversations........

-------------------------------------------------------
incidentally, if you consider yourself
to be the "P" in the Microsoft MVP, then
what is "Rock MVP" supposed to mean?

Is it your first name, your last name
your middle name, nick name or a
reference to your learning capabilities?

because of your references in
some of your postings you know
very well that professionals
use their first and last names.

reiteration: when you take your responsibilities
as a professional seriously, we
won't be having these conversations........


"fortunately, there are a few
Microsoft MVP's who are professionals
and reflect their character with
their responses / postings.

however, these qualities are
not mandated by the
Microsoft Volunteer Program.

The only requirement is that of the
standing obligation:
"to actively participate on these newsgroups".

The obvious conclusion being that a
Microsoft MVP can resolve issues or create them,
even though the title implies otherwise."

_______________________

You really have a very poor understanding of many things, not just the
workings of XP and computers. There is no requirement that MVPs participate
in any newsgroup. That is up to the individual. There are thousands of
MVP's, many do not participate in newsgroups at all.

All this coming from a person who refuses to go along with established
Usenet posting standards, who persists in posting in html, who clips his
line lengths at half the norm - just to name a few things.

But beyond that you have been called for your poor / inapplicable advice on
many occasions by many posters, non MVP and MVP alike. Whenever you are
challenged your standard response is to accuse the poster of a lack of
professionalism. Is that your definition of unprofessional behavior?
Disagreeing with you? Does it make no impact on you that so many different
people challenge your advice?

It is sad that you persist in what you do. I, and others, will continue to
point out when you post incorrect and/or nonsensical advice.

Peer review is one of the values of a technical Usenet newsgroup. Anyone
can comment on anyone's post and it's content. This ensures that the person
asking for help get's the best advice.

<snip>
 
just as there is not much hope for you.

lucky for you there are mvp web sites with answers for you to STEAL from or you would be totally lost.



(e-mail address removed)



"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
"i don't have any misunderstandings
of your attitude. however, i don't
think you understand the first paragraph on:

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpexecsum

historically i considered your unwarranted
remarks as simply indicative of juvenility
and unprofessionalism and i made
little issue of it other than to complain
directly to you.


however, unlike yourself I am not accountable
to anyone here except those i choose
to help.

but as an MVP you are
accountable and like a member
of the public that i belong to, i can raise cain
about bad mvp's, as some may already realize.

http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales/help/help_en-us.htm#RulesofConduct

when you take your responsibilities
as a professional seriously, we
won't be having these conversations........

-------------------------------------------------------
incidentally, if you consider yourself
to be the "P" in the Microsoft MVP, then
what is "Rock MVP" supposed to mean?

Is it your first name, your last name
your middle name, nick name or a
reference to your learning capabilities?

because of your references in
some of your postings you know
very well that professionals
use their first and last names.

reiteration: when you take your responsibilities
as a professional seriously, we
won't be having these conversations........"
______________________________________

Still don't know how to post do you? Nor, does it seem, can you comprehend
what you read. The paragraph to which you refer makes no statement about a
requirement to participate in newsgroups. It is quite general, with the key
sentence being,

"We present the MVP Award to thank individuals for their exceptional
contributions to technical communities worldwide. "

As opposed to your flawed understanding, which appears to be based solely on
an inability to comprehend what you read, I know the requirements, since I
actually am in the program. Nor is one required to use any particular name
for their nic in a newsgroup.

As long as you don't post nonsense and useless advice, then there won't be
any need to converse.

Another poster, unrelated to this thread, recently called you on what you
are. Can't you get the message?

DB, for your info that was a rhetorical comment. *Sigh* right now I don't
see much hope in it.

<snip>
 
Rock said:
Lol, I think posting to debunk poor advice is relevant..


Calling it "poor advice" is to be kind..
"Disinformation" is what is was, and it should be
countered. Too bad that it takes up people's time.

*TimDaniels*
 
"Timothy Daniels" wrote
Calling it "poor advice" is to be kind..
"Disinformation" is what is was, and it should be
countered. Too bad that it takes up people's time.


I noticed you rated a whole new thread for his response. You must have
touched a nerve.
 
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message i don't have any misunderstandings
of your attitude. however, i don't
think you understand the first paragraph on:

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpexecsum

historically i considered your unwarranted
remarks as simply indicative of juvenility
and unprofessionalism and i made
little issue of it other than to complain
directly to you.


however, unlike yourself I am not accountable
to anyone here except those i choose
to help.

but as an MVP you are
accountable and like a member
of the public that i belong to, i can raise cain
about bad mvp's, as some may already realize.

http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales/help/help_en-us.htm#RulesofConduct

when you take your responsibilities
as a professional seriously, we
won't be having these conversations........

-------------------------------------------------------
incidentally, if you consider yourself
to be the "P" in the Microsoft MVP, then
what is "Rock MVP" supposed to mean?

Is it your first name, your last name
your middle name, nick name or a
reference to your learning capabilities?

because of your references in
some of your postings you know
very well that professionals
use their first and last names.

reiteration: when you take your responsibilities
as a professional seriously, we
won't be having these conversations........

Rock said:
Calling it "poor advice" is to be kind..
"Disinformation" is what is was, and it should be
countered. Too bad that it takes up people's time.


I noticed you rated a whole new thread for his response. You must have
touched a nerve.
 
and what are your professional
credentials?

supposedly, the 12 month award is
given to the brightess and outstanding
people.

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpfaqs

however, what i have seen from
your postings your nothing more than
inexperience and unprofessionalsim and
on occassion you are arrogant and a
wise-a**.

Microsoft MVP is not
a credential nor is it a paid profession.

And because it is a 12 month award
there are considerations to be
reviewed.

My guess is that the only
contribution you have provided is
to be a regular responder on the newsgroups.

Otherwise, you don't have the "professional"
demeanor. However, you have demonstated
to me on numerous occassions via your postings
of your unprofessional demeanor and inexperience
as well.


fortunately, for the o.p.'s other options
and suggestions are always provided,

otherwise everyone would be running antivirals,
reformatting harddrives and replacing them
as per your "suggestions"

-------------
Don't offer me any deals in the future.

Don't mention me in your sacastic postings.

Don't beleive yourself something you are not
as those who are truly professional have sacrificed
a great deal of time and money and kids like yourself
pretending to be a professional and playing around
professing only embarrasses them.

You want to be like them, then you better learn
how. And you might start with your title "mineral, mvp"

"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
"db" <databaseben.discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message i don't have any misunderstandings
of your attitude. however, i don't
think you understand the first paragraph on:

http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/gp/mvpexecsum

historically i considered your unwarranted
remarks as simply indicative of juvenility
and unprofessionalism and i made
little issue of it other than to complain
directly to you.


however, unlike yourself I am not accountable
to anyone here except those i choose
to help.

but as an MVP you are
accountable and like a member
of the public that i belong to, i can raise cain
about bad mvp's, as some may already realize.

http://www.microsoft.com/wn3/locales/help/help_en-us.htm#RulesofConduct

when you take your responsibilities
as a professional seriously, we
won't be having these conversations........

-------------------------------------------------------
incidentally, if you consider yourself
to be the "P" in the Microsoft MVP, then
what is "Rock MVP" supposed to mean?

Is it your first name, your last name
your middle name, nick name or a
reference to your learning capabilities?

because of your references in
some of your postings you know
very well that professionals
use their first and last names.

reiteration: when you take your responsibilities
as a professional seriously, we
won't be having these conversations........

Rock said:
Calling it "poor advice" is to be kind..
"Disinformation" is what is was, and it should be
countered. Too bad that it takes up people's time.


I noticed you rated a whole new thread for his response. You must have
touched a nerve.
 
db said:
however, unlike yourself I am not accountable
to anyone here except those i choose
to help.


Please spare the world your "help" as it it much better
off without it. You don't even know enough to post in
plain text, much less to actually help anyone with your
textual flatuses. As for being "not accountable", your
postings are not accountable because they account for
nothing.

*TimDaniels*
 
not interested .

Mr. (e-mail address removed)



db said:
however, unlike yourself I am not accountable
to anyone here except those i choose
to help.


Please spare the world your "help" as it it much better
off without it. You don't even know enough to post in
plain text, much less to actually help anyone with your
textual flatuses. As for being "not accountable", your
postings are not accountable because they account for
nothing.

*TimDaniels*
 

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