Dual Boot Win98SE and XP Question

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HenriK

A hard drive failure has necessitated a complete reinstall (fortunately
backed up) on a new hard drive of my former dual boot W98SE/W2K-Pro
installation.

As I have all of the original application disks and a new, never used,
OEM copy of XP-Home, I want to set up the new hard drive as a dual boot
W98SE/XP installation.

Given that XP is part of the NT/W2K family of operating systems, are
there any particular differences in setting up a dual boot W98SE/XP
installation vs what I did in setting up the original dual boot
W98SE/W2k-Pro installation?

Any advice, comments, and guidance will be much appreciated. Also, can
anyone refer me to any existing tutorials on what I propose to do?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Anteaus

I would suggest installing an MBR-based bootloader such as Ranish or XOSL on
both disks, and keeping the two OS's entirely separate. That way a disk or
partition can be removed without making the other one unbootable

While installing an OS, remove the other disk so as to avoid the setup
'seeing' the wrong one.
 
M

MowGreen

HenriK said:
A hard drive failure has necessitated a complete reinstall (fortunately
backed up) on a new hard drive of my former dual boot W98SE/W2K-Pro
installation.

As I have all of the original application disks and a new, never used,
OEM copy of XP-Home, I want to set up the new hard drive as a dual boot
W98SE/XP installation.

Given that XP is part of the NT/W2K family of operating systems, are
there any particular differences in setting up a dual boot W98SE/XP
installation vs what I did in setting up the original dual boot
W98SE/W2k-Pro installation?

Any advice, comments, and guidance will be much appreciated. Also, can
anyone refer me to any existing tutorials on what I propose to do?

Thanks in advance.


Henri,

No, there's no difference in setting up a dual boot of 98SE and Win2K or
98SE and XP:

How to create a multiple-boot system in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306559


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dadiOH

HenriK said:
A hard drive failure has necessitated a complete reinstall
(fortunately backed up) on a new hard drive of my former dual boot
W98SE/W2K-Pro installation.

As I have all of the original application disks and a new, never used,
OEM copy of XP-Home, I want to set up the new hard drive as a dual
boot W98SE/XP installation.

Given that XP is part of the NT/W2K family of operating systems, are
there any particular differences in setting up a dual boot W98SE/XP
installation vs what I did in setting up the original dual boot
W98SE/W2k-Pro installation?

Any advice, comments, and guidance will be much appreciated. Also,
can anyone refer me to any existing tutorials on what I propose to do?

1. First, install Win98 on C: It should be a "primary" drive set to
"active".

2. Second, install WinXP on a different drive, either logical or physical.
If on the same physical drive as C:, I like it to be in an extended
partition.

The files necessary for booting XP will be written to C: when you install XP
including a boot menu (boot.ini).

You are certainly free to use a 3rd party but the built in one from XP works
just fine.

Here's some info on boot.ini...
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000492.htm


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Brian A.

HenriK said:
A hard drive failure has necessitated a complete reinstall (fortunately
backed up) on a new hard drive of my former dual boot W98SE/W2K-Pro
installation.

As I have all of the original application disks and a new, never used,
OEM copy of XP-Home, I want to set up the new hard drive as a dual boot
W98SE/XP installation.

Given that XP is part of the NT/W2K family of operating systems, are
there any particular differences in setting up a dual boot W98SE/XP
installation vs what I did in setting up the original dual boot
W98SE/W2k-Pro installation?

Any advice, comments, and guidance will be much appreciated. Also, can
anyone refer me to any existing tutorials on what I propose to do?

Thanks in advance.

Install other Operating Systems on a Windows 9x/Me computer
http://thpc.info/dual/dual_9xme.html

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How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
 
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HenriK

HenriK said:
A hard drive failure has necessitated a complete reinstall (fortunately
backed up) on a new hard drive of my former dual boot W98SE/W2K-Pro
installation.

As I have all of the original application disks and a new, never used,
OEM copy of XP-Home, I want to set up the new hard drive as a dual boot
W98SE/XP installation.

Given that XP is part of the NT/W2K family of operating systems, are
there any particular differences in setting up a dual boot W98SE/XP
installation vs what I did in setting up the original dual boot
W98SE/W2k-Pro installation?

Any advice, comments, and guidance will be much appreciated. Also, can
anyone refer me to any existing tutorials on what I propose to do?

Thanks in advance.
Many thanks for the good suggestions and pointers to tutorials. Those
of you who help us folks who are not so saavy about the ins and outs of
Microsoft operating systems can simply not be thanked enough.
 
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Anteaus

dadiOH said:
1. First, install Win98 on C: It should be a "primary" drive set to
"active".

2. Second, install WinXP on a different drive, either logical or physical.
If on the same physical drive as C:, I like it to be in an extended
partition.

No-ooooooo!

The files necessary for booting XP will be written to C: when you install XP
including a boot menu (boot.ini).

Yes, and that is the problem! C: is the Win98 disk, NOT the XP disk. If you
follow this advice you will have an XP OS whose parts are split between two
disks.

You will also likely also end-up with a weird setup, for example XP's system
folders being on D: or G: instead of C: This may result in other software
having problems if it expects a standard setup. Once you have such a
nonstandard setup it cannot be corrected, you must start from scratch.

Lowdown: When installing XP the target location should be the default boot
choice in the BIOS, and primary partition. Unless you're au-fait with CMOS
settings the best way to ensure this is to disconnect all other disks.
Including USB memory.

Once both OS's are working separately, you then install the boot-manager.
Using an MBR bootloader results in a conventional setup with the
system-partition being C: regardless of disk or OS.
 
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dadiOH

Anteaus said:
Yes, and that is the problem! C: is the Win98 disk, NOT the XP disk.
If you follow this advice you will have an XP OS whose parts are
split between two disks.

Not at all. You have the OS on drive whatever and three (3) files for
*loading* the OS on C: That is little different than having a bootstrap
loader in the boot sector if using just Win98.
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You will also likely also end-up with a weird setup, for example XP's
system folders being on D: or G: instead of C:

That may seem wierd to you but not to many, many other people. Including
Microsoft.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/306559

And...
http://vlaurie.com/computers2/Articles/dualboot.htm
http://freepctech.com/pc/xp/xp00111.shtml
and many others should you choose to DAGS.
______________
This may result in
other software having problems if it expects a standard setup.

It *is* a standard setup. Programs have NP with it and it is far easier to
maintain than having two OSes on the same drive.

Additionally, if OP were to follow your advice he would have to have his XP
install formatted in FAT32 rather than NTFS thereby losing one of the
benefits of XP.


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____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
 
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Anna

HenriK said:
A hard drive failure has necessitated a complete reinstall (fortunately
backed up) on a new hard drive of my former dual boot W98SE/W2K-Pro
installation.

As I have all of the original application disks and a new, never used, OEM
copy of XP-Home, I want to set up the new hard drive as a dual boot
W98SE/XP installation.

Given that XP is part of the NT/W2K family of operating systems, are there
any particular differences in setting up a dual boot W98SE/XP installation
vs what I did in setting up the original dual boot W98SE/W2k-Pro
installation?

Any advice, comments, and guidance will be much appreciated. Also, can
anyone refer me to any existing tutorials on what I propose to do?

Thanks in advance.


Henrik:
In addition to the suggestions you've already received, let me add another
option for your consideration...

1. First of all I'm assuming you're working with a desktop PC which seems
likely under the circumstances.

2. I'm also assuming your current PC case has an available vacant 5 1/4"
bay.

3. Consider equipping your PC with a removable HDD. Assuming you're not
familiar with that type of device and without going into too many details at
this point just let me say that a "mobile rack" (designed to house a
removable tray or caddy which contains the HDD) is affixed to a 5 1/4" bay
on the computer case. The installation of such is quite simple - not any
more complicated than installing a CD/DVD optical drive.

4. The beauty of this type of system is that you can work with multiple
HDDs, each effectively isolated from each other (when desired) containing
different operating systems. Through a simple turn of a keylock on the
mobile rack, you can thus boot to this drive or that drive without the need
for any "bootloader" or any other multi-booting software.

We've been working with removable hard drives for about 15 years and we find
this desktop PC hardware configuration a most desirable one for the great
majority of desktop PC users.

If you're interested, so indicate and I'll provide more detailed info about
this kind of system.
Anna
 
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olfart

Anna said:
Henrik:
In addition to the suggestions you've already received, let me add another
option for your consideration...

1. First of all I'm assuming you're working with a desktop PC which seems
likely under the circumstances.

2. I'm also assuming your current PC case has an available vacant 5 1/4"
bay.

3. Consider equipping your PC with a removable HDD. Assuming you're not
familiar with that type of device and without going into too many details
at this point just let me say that a "mobile rack" (designed to house a
removable tray or caddy which contains the HDD) is affixed to a 5 1/4" bay
on the computer case. The installation of such is quite simple - not any
more complicated than installing a CD/DVD optical drive.

4. The beauty of this type of system is that you can work with multiple
HDDs, each effectively isolated from each other (when desired) containing
different operating systems. Through a simple turn of a keylock on the
mobile rack, you can thus boot to this drive or that drive without the
need for any "bootloader" or any other multi-booting software.

We've been working with removable hard drives for about 15 years and we
find this desktop PC hardware configuration a most desirable one for the
great majority of desktop PC users.

If you're interested, so indicate and I'll provide more detailed info
about this kind of system.
Anna
Good idea Anna. On my test machine I have 2 mobile racks in 5 1/4"
bays....one SATA and one IDE. The box can also hold up to 6 HD's internally.
So playing with various O/S and configurations is pretty easy.
Another suggestion would be to install XP and then run Win98 in a virtual
machine. I have an older box running Win2000 with Win98 and winME running in
VM's. Now if I could only get Casper to give me a decent result on the W2000
machine <grin>
 
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Anna

HenriK said:
A hard drive failure has necessitated a complete reinstall (fortunately
backed up) on a new hard drive of my former dual boot W98SE/W2K-Pro
installation.

As I have all of the original application disks and a new, never used, OEM
copy of XP-Home, I want to set up the new hard drive as a dual boot
W98SE/XP installation.

Given that XP is part of the NT/W2K family of operating systems, are there
any particular differences in setting up a dual boot W98SE/XP installation
vs what I did in setting up the original dual boot W98SE/W2k-Pro
installation?

Any advice, comments, and guidance will be much appreciated. Also, can
anyone refer me to any existing tutorials on what I propose to do?

Thanks in advance.


olfart said:
Good idea Anna. On my test machine I have 2 mobile racks in 5 1/4"
bays....one SATA and one IDE. The box can also hold up to 6 HD's
internally. So playing with various O/S and configurations is pretty easy.
Another suggestion would be to install XP and then run Win98 in a virtual
machine. I have an older box running Win2000 with Win98 and winME running
in VM's. Now if I could only get Casper to give me a decent result on the
W2000 machine <grin>


o...
Well assuming the OP is working with a desktop PC I hope it is practical for
him to at least consider the installation of one or more removable hard
drives (mobile racks). As I indicated in my prior post we've worked with
removable HDDs for many years and probably have installed or help install
more than a thousand of these devices over those years. And we've found that
the only regret virtually every desktop PC user of these devices has had is
that they didn't install them sooner!

Sorry to hear about your negative experience with the Casper disk-cloning
program as related to Windows 2000. Our experience with the Casper versions
going back to Casper 4 in a W2K environment has been minimal although the
relatively few times we used the program with that OS we didn't run into any
problems as I recall. Have you been in touch with Casper's tech support?
Based on our experience they've been most responsive to issues & problems
raised by Casper users (and would-be users).

As I believe you know, we're very fond of the Casper disk-cloning program.
We've never found a better comprehensive backup program for the vast
majority of PC users than that program. And the new Casper 6 program (are
you using it?) provides boot capability for a USB external HDD when that
drive has served as the recipient of the cloned contents of the user's
"source" HDD.
Anna
 
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olfart

Anna said:
o...
Well assuming the OP is working with a desktop PC I hope it is practical
for him to at least consider the installation of one or more removable
hard drives (mobile racks). As I indicated in my prior post we've worked
with removable HDDs for many years and probably have installed or help
install more than a thousand of these devices over those years. And we've
found that the only regret virtually every desktop PC user of these
devices has had is that they didn't install them sooner!

Sorry to hear about your negative experience with the Casper disk-cloning
program as related to Windows 2000. Our experience with the Casper
versions going back to Casper 4 in a W2K environment has been minimal
although the relatively few times we used the program with that OS we
didn't run into any problems as I recall. Have you been in touch with
Casper's tech support? Based on our experience they've been most
responsive to issues & problems raised by Casper users (and would-be
users).

As I believe you know, we're very fond of the Casper disk-cloning program.
We've never found a better comprehensive backup program for the vast
majority of PC users than that program. And the new Casper 6 program (are
you using it?) provides boot capability for a USB external HDD when that
drive has served as the recipient of the cloned contents of the user's
"source" HDD.
Anna
Casper works fine with W2000 alone, but when I stick a VM on C Drive
containing another O/S....W98 and WinME it comes up with errors. Not a big
deal though since I can use something like DiskCopy 2.3 and get a good
result. I use Casper for all my other machines though with no problems.
 

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