XP And My Mouse

[Oliver]

Nooo... The really funny thing is that you keep blathering on and on and on
and on, thinking someone cares about anything you say. Who are the 'so many
people who use OE for 8 years without corruption becuse they refused
systematic compaction'? You make statements like that with no proof of any
kind except more statements from you. Are you mentally ill?

NOBODY CARES what you think about pretty much everything. Nobody is going to
go back and read your old boring rambling posts no matter how many links you
make clickable. Nobody cares if you feel assaulted. Nobody cares about your
philosophy about the dumb and ignorant people in the world. Nobody cares
what you think about superficial people with reckless advice, which you
happen to be, by the way. Nobody cares what you think of MS. Nobody wants to
read your boring boring boring rambling theories of all problems you see
with the world and reality. NOBODY CARES!!!

All the things you accuse others of you are guilty of also. You are not a
brilliant thinker. Get over yourself.




The funny thing is this whole message is about an infinitely repeated yet
never reality-checked authoritative statement that has been proved to do
more harm than good. Not reading threads before "answering" will eventually
cause irrelevant posts. The reason so many people have intensively used OE
for 8 years without corruption is they systematically refused compaction;
the reason so many others have sufferred dramatic loss of their assets is
they unduly trusted the reckless advices from superficial people too
confident of themselves. Too many MS people put customers off until they
were blind to reality. Using scorning posts or any other method to delay
checking reality may be safe in the hands of someone who doesn't know what
they are doing and merely postponing thinking until it is too late. Someone
who doesn't understand the consequences and uses the Send button to delay
thinking too long will eventually experience a corrupted news group.

The problem is as old as humans: the more someone is dumb and ignorant, thus
the more he fails to understand others, hence the more he thinks they are
still dumber and more ignorant than he is. Among people in a large company
(e.g. MS people, from managers to "volunteers"), the best ones will be
modest, helpful, constantly and really listening to customers, spending more
time in researching and thinking than in speaking; while the lowest ones
will be so sure of themselves that they can publicly repeat 10 times a week,
without ever thinking, things they never realized are the opposite to facts.
Said Charles Darwin: « Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does
knowledge » (in modern words: arrogance more often denotes ignorance than
knowledge).

PS. May be you could read before posting; here are just a few posts you may
check (I made links clickable, to ease checking for people who usually don't
check what they are talking about):

1) "Reality check on data losses due to compaction in OE", and its "PS." and
its *eight* "DATA LOSS REPORTS":
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/[email protected]
Sent: Sat 2 Sep 2006 08:00:55 GMT
Newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress

2) "Reality check on Users' demand for Control over their OE compaction" and
its *nine* "USERS' Requests for CONTROL over compaction"
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/[email protected]
Sent: Sat 2 Sep 2006 18:39:50 GMT
Newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

3) "Massive data loss after OE Compaction WITHOUT SHUT DOWN"
Message:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/%23%237s%[email protected]
Sent: Sun 10 Sep 23:29:40 GMT
Newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress

4) Another Massive data loss caused by Compaction at OE closing, again
without user mistake
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/[email protected]
Sent: Mon 18 Sep 23:37:35 GMT
Newsgroup:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

Paris, Fri 22 Sep 2006 08:32:35 +0200


----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: "Kerry Brown" <[email protected]*a*m>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Message:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/%232zQl%[email protected]
Sent: Thu 21 Sep 2006 13:50:59 -0700 (20:50:59 GMT)
Subject: Re: Frank Saunders too, stop polluting please

The funny thing is this whole thread is about a reg file that will
ultimately do more harm than good. Not allowing OE to compact the email
store will eventually cause corruption. The reason Microsoft enforced
compaction is to stop this corruption. Too many people put it off until the
email store was corrupted. Using the reg file or any other method to delay
compaction may be safe in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing
and merely postponing compaction until it is convenient. Someone who doesn't
understand the consequences and uses the reg file to delay compaction too
long will eventually experience a corrupted email store.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: "Michel Merlin" <[email protected]>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/%[email protected]
Sent: Thu 21 Sep 2006 22:26:30 +0200 (20:26:30 GMT)
Subject: Frank Saunders too, stop polluting please

Oliver didn't make « an "assault" » by himself alone, yet he clearly took
part in one, with others including yourself...
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----- Parent Messages -----
From: "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" <[email protected]>
Message: Sent: Thu 21 Sep 2006 13:55:50 -0500 (18:55:50 GMT)
Subject: Re: Stop polluting please

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From: "Michel Merlin" <[email protected]>
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/[email protected]
Sent: Thu 21 Sep 2006 12:43:15 +0200 (10:43:15 GMT)
Subject: Stop polluting please

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From: "Oliver" <none>
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/OQ4%[email protected]
Sent: Wed 20 Sep 2006 08:51:59 -0500 (13:51:59 GMT)
Subject: Re: Tested OK (How to prevent OE compaction and resulting folder
corruption)

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From: "Michel Merlin" <[email protected]>
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/[email protected]
Sent: Wed 20 Sep 2006 10:32:45 +0200 (08:32:45 GMT)
Subject: Tested OK (How to prevent OE compaction and resulting folder
corruption)

My warning in my post of Sun 3 Sep 2006 14:09:40 GMT can be removed, after I
just made the tests. So my REG file does work reliably where it is
intended..............

 

[Kerry Brown]

The facts are the method used to store email and news posts in OE is not the
most efficient and does suffer from corruption over time. I have had many
unhappy customers who have lost emails do to a corrupted email store. Since
Microsoft started enforcing compaction every 100 times OE is closed I have
had less customers suffer from a corrupted email store. It can be
inconvenient at times and a tool to delay it is a useful tool for an expert
user. Delaying compaction indefinitely will cause corruption of the email
store sooner or later.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


Michel Merlin wrote:

<totally irrelevant and hard to read rant snipped>

 

[Michel Merlin]

A - COMPACTION IS THE MAJOR CAUSE OF DATA LOSSES IN OE
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Please readers, don't be diverted from what I wrote in my previous post "Reality check before posting please" news://msnews.microsoft.com/[email protected]: COMPACTION IS THE MAJOR CAUSE, if not the only, OF DATA LOSSES IN OE. Please do read, follow to the plenty reports from poor users having lost their most important assets by the fault from Microsoft, who feel forced to be very modest and to apologize in place of MS if they want to get any help, and who often in facts receive no help - other than unthought unchecked irrelevant boilerplates, sometimes garnished with condescending comments or even reproaches. Add the other reports you will soon find, as "OE Took My Emails", http://forum.worldstart.com/showthread.php?t=83897.

Don't be diverted by dirty tricks (as "Oliver" faking to miss that the only "blathering" or "rambling theories" in my post were my paraphrase of Kerry Brown #1 - a paraphrase that I do regret, I do think Kerry #1 was out of mind, yet polite enough - if not open-minded enough - to deserve a kinder reply).

B - Short Reply to Kerry Brown #2
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« The facts are the method used to store email and news posts
in OE is not the most efficient and does suffer from
corruption over time. »

I think none would argue about OE's awful reliability and the resulting corruption. You are welcome admitting it here, oppositely to the plenty MS people who continue to deny the obvious instead of bearing with wounded users and really helping them.

As for efficiency, the above is your opinion, not necessarily "The facts". My opinion (having built an FS by myself to replace HP's one with more efficient in 1978) is higher (on OE efficiency), I will eventually expand more on this.

« I have had many unhappy customers who have lost emails
do to a corrupted email store. »

I believe you here.

« Since Microsoft started enforcing compaction every 100
times OE is closed I have had less customers suffer
from a corrupted email store. »

This must be a guess of yours - I totally distrust it, I even strongly believe the very opposite: IMO the "background compaction" was awfully dangerous, yet the "compaction every 100 times OE is closed" is still worse, as I explained several times (I shouldn't have: this is so obvious than if someone can ignore or deny it, no facts or explanation will overcome his religious faith).

« Delaying compaction indefinitely will cause corruption of
the email store sooner or later. »

Here you are indefinitely repeating an official yet unchecked and unthought statement, that is denied by facts. I dare you to come with a report from someone with corruption or data loss in OE *after never having compacted* (it's possible, yes OE's awful unreliability may go this far, yet I saw no such reports so far); I came OTOH, in my previous "Reality check before posting please" post and here, with *eleven* "DATA LOSS REPORTS" after Compaction (of which 2 were *explicitly*, and the 9 others *probably*, with no interruption from user).

BTW a report from someone having actually recovered messages with DBXtract or DBXpress would be useful as well. So far I saw only a priori praises or recommendations, as in
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/community/columns/filecorruption.mspx"Recovering from Corruption", and a few reports on unsuccessful attempts, but no positive report.

C - Longer Reply to Kerry Brown #2 (to come)
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Kerry's post #2, being polite (something rare here - at least when addressing me), deserves a more elaborate reply - I have almost finished it and will post it as a new thread when I have time. In short, MS itself admits that compaction if interrupted will cause data loss, yet MS apparently will NOT fix this unbelievable flaw (Remember that in 2006, about any program is able to do tasks as intrinsically dangerous as moving files or defragmenting, with no users' reports of data losses). More, MS made this flaw even more dangerous by launching compaction in the background with no authorization from user, hence facing a high risk of interruption and according data loss; then facing the (expectable) reports of massive data losses, MS "fixed" this - in facts it deeply *aggravated* it by moving the compaction to closure of OE, i.e. to a moment when the probability of interruption is still higher.

Paris, Sat 23 Sep 2006 12:39:35 +0200


----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: "Kerry Brown" <[email protected]*a*m>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Message: Sent: Fri 22 Sep 2006 07:14:52 -0700 (14:14:52 GMT)
Subject: Re: Reality check before posting please

The facts are the method used to store email and news posts in OE is not the most efficient and does suffer from corruption over time. I have had many unhappy customers who have lost emails do to a corrupted email store. Since Microsoft started enforcing compaction every 100 times OE is closed I have had less customers suffer from a corrupted email store. It can be inconvenient at times and a tool to delay it is a useful tool for an expert user. Delaying compaction indefinitely will cause corruption of the email store sooner or later.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca

Michel Merlin wrote:

<totally irrelevant and hard to read rant snipped>


----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: "Michel Merlin" <[email protected]>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/[email protected]
Sent: Fri 22 Sep 2006 08:32:35 +0200 (06:32:35 GMT)
Subject: Reality check before posting please

The funny thing is this whole message is about an infinitely repeated yet never reality-checked authoritative statement that has been proved to do more harm than good. Not reading threads before "answering" will eventually cause irrelevant posts. The reason so many people have intensively used OE for 8 years without corruption is they systematically refused compaction; the reason so many others have sufferred dramatic loss of their assets is they unduly trusted the reckless advices from superficial people too confident of themselves. Too many MS people put customers off until they were blind to reality. Using scorning posts or any other method to delay checking reality may be safe in the hands of someone who doesn't know what they are doing and merely postponing thinking until it is too late. Someone who doesn't understand the consequences and uses the Send button to delay thinking too long will eventually experience a corrupted news group.

The problem is as old as humans: the more someone is dumb and ignorant, thus the more he fails to understand others, hence the more he thinks they are still dumber and more ignorant than he is. Among people in a large company (e.g. MS people, from managers to "volunteers"), the best ones will be modest, helpful, constantly and really listening to customers, spending more time in researching and thinking than in speaking; while the lowest ones will be so sure of themselves that they can publicly repeat 10 times a week, without ever thinking, things they never realized are the opposite to facts. Said Charles Darwin: « Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge » (in modern words: arrogance more often denotes ignorance than knowledge).

PS. May be you could read before posting; here are just a few posts you may check (I made links clickable, to ease checking for people who usually don't check what they are talking about):

1) "Reality check on data losses due to compaction in OE", and its "PS." and its *eight* "DATA LOSS REPORTS":
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/[email protected]
Sent: Sat 2 Sep 2006 08:00:55 GMT
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress

2) "Reality check on Users' demand for Control over their OE compaction" and its *nine* "USERS' Requests for CONTROL over compaction"
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/[email protected]
Sent: Sat 2 Sep 2006 18:39:50 GMT
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

3) "Massive data loss after OE Compaction WITHOUT SHUT DOWN"
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/%23%237s%[email protected]
Sent: Sun 10 Sep 23:29:40 GMT
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress

4) Another Massive data loss caused by Compaction at OE closing, again without user mistake
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/[email protected]
Sent: Mon 18 Sep 23:37:35 GMT
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general

Paris, Fri 22 Sep 2006 08:32:35 +0200


----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: "Kerry Brown" <[email protected]*a*m>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/%232zQl%[email protected]
Sent: Thu 21 Sep 2006 13:50:59 -0700 (20:50:59 GMT)
Subject: Re: Frank Saunders too, stop polluting please

The funny thing is this whole thread is about a reg file that will ultimately do more harm than good. Not allowing OE to compact the email store will eventually cause corruption. The reason Microsoft enforced compaction is to stop this corruption. Too many people put it off until the email store was corrupted. Using the reg file or any other method to delay compaction may be safe in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing and merely postponing compaction until it is convenient. Someone who doesn't understand the consequences and uses the reg file to delay compaction too long will eventually experience a corrupted email store.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


----- Parent Message (links are clickable) -----
From: "Michel Merlin" <[email protected]>
Newsgroup: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/%[email protected]
Sent: Thu 21 Sep 2006 22:26:30 +0200 (20:26:30 GMT)
Subject: Frank Saunders too, stop polluting please

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----- Parent Messages -----
From: "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE" <[email protected]>
Message: Sent: Thu 21 Sep 2006 13:55:50 -0500 (18:55:50 GMT)
Subject: Re: Stop polluting please

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From: "Michel Merlin" <[email protected]>
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/[email protected]
Sent: Thu 21 Sep 2006 12:43:15 +0200 (10:43:15 GMT)
Subject: Stop polluting please

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From: "Oliver" <none>
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/OQ4%[email protected]
Sent: Wed 20 Sep 2006 08:51:59 -0500 (13:51:59 GMT)
Subject: Re: Tested OK (How to prevent OE compaction and resulting folder corruption)

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From: "Michel Merlin" <[email protected]>
Message: news://msnews.microsoft.com/[email protected]
Sent: Wed 20 Sep 2006 10:32:45 +0200 (08:32:45 GMT)
Subject: Tested OK (How to prevent OE compaction and resulting folder corruption)

My warning in my post of Sun 3 Sep 2006 14:09:40 GMT can be removed, after I just made the tests. So my REG file does work reliably where it is intended..............