Xbox 2 in 2005 - Revolution in 2006.

[Xenon]

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Zelda, Revolution, Xbox 2

"i have a quick question with revolution coming next year why would nintendo
release a zelda game for gamecube?wouldn't make more sense for it to come
out on the new system?also what is the make of the plasma screen you
brought?thanks"

Matt responds: "Well, Revolution isn't coming out in 2005. It's scheduled to
release in 2006 alongside Sony's PlayStation 3. Microsoft will release the
successor to Xbox in 2005. And by the way, if there is still any doubt about
this happening, now's the time to put it to rest. I've seen some holiday
2005 plans from publishers and several of them have major Xbox 2 titles
scheduled for next November. I could name specific franchises and brand new
IPs. It's really happening. And from the looks of it, there are going to be
some pretty impressive launch titles."


so that's almost confirmed. Xbox 2 in 2005, Nintendo Revolution (their
next console) in 2006. nothing new, but nice to have things solidifing, at
least somewhat.

as far as ATI graphics, we could now assume that Xbox 2 is going to have
R500 or R5XX graphics and that Nintendo Revolution will most likely have
somewhat more advance graphics, maybe of R600 calibur. that is not to say
that Revolution is getting an R600. it is likely to be something custom to
Nintendo, but probably roughly on par with R600, more or less, and therefore
probably more powerful than Xbox 2, just going on timetable alone.

 

[Zackman]

Mmmm, don't you think 4 years is a pretty short lifespan for a conosle
system..?

Yeah, but MS knows that the only way they can gain significant ground on
Sony (they don't care about Nintendo, and neither does Sony) in the next
generation is to 1) launch first, 2) have better hardware and 3) have a
killer app launch title and some killer exclusives. I think the chances of
all these things coming to pass are slim indeed, and launching early can be
a huge disadvantage if it's done wrong (eg. Dreamcast).

IMO launching early also puts a lot more pressure on MS to make the Xbox 2
backwards compatible, which is also pretty unlikely. A lot of factors will
have to come together for Xbox 2 to grab any real market share away from
Sony. Fall 2005 to fall 2006 is going to be a *very* interesting time.

-Z-

 

[Ice Wipe Inc.]

Mmmm, don't you think 4 years is a pretty short lifespan for a conosle
system..?

 

[Beck]

Mmmm, don't you think 4 years is a pretty short lifespan for a conosle
system..?

But it will not be a 4 year lifespan. They will still continue to make
games for probably 2-3 years after that.

 

[Scott]

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Zelda, Revolution, Xbox 2

"i have a quick question with revolution coming next year why would
nintendo
release a zelda game for gamecube?wouldn't make more sense for it to come
out on the new system?also what is the make of the plasma screen you
brought?thanks"

Zelda? Another for GC? When?

I NEED another Zelda fix!

Scott

 

[Zackman]

Isn't that last comment taking things a little too far? One game
isn't going to make or break any console nowadays IMO.

You'll have to forgive Todd. Between the blind Nintendo fanboyism and his
unnatural love for koalas, the kid isn't right in the head. But you probably
figured that out from his delusional leaps of logic and his barely
decipherable spelling.

-Z-

 

[Ice Wipe Inc.]

The thing is, Halo 2 was only just relesaed so what will be their main
launch title? Rare isn't that reliable ever since they started losing people
from the N64 era. If they don't get a great looking Perfect Dark 2, then
Xbox 2 is be a bigger flop then the DC.

I personally won't be surpsied if they miss that mark of Xmas of 2005 seeing
that problems always arise in either hardware issues to a underperpared
launch lineup.

With the new handhelds, you can see that both Nintendo and Sony have left it
to the last minute to get their systems out before Xmas. They know this is
the most important time of the year and Sony left it too late for the US
lanuch. Now it will be hard for them to make any great market penetration
until they start releasing big titles later next year.

 

[Ice Wipe Inc.]

Do you really believe that MS will put any of of its 1st party temas on the
original Xbox after it launches the newer model?

Very wishful dreaming

 

[Ice Wipe Inc.]

It will be interesting to see if they can release both Japanese and English
versions at the same time like with OoT.

 

[Zomoniac]

Isn't that last comment taking things a little too far? One game isn't
going to make or break any console nowadays IMO.

Anyway, the DC had plenty of great looking games with great playability ...
didn't exactly help much overall in the scheme of things.

Seb

Exactly. Although often it can feel like one game makes a machine. I wonder
what the situation would be like now if MS or Nintendo had exclusive rights
to GTA. How good it is is irrelevant, as the DC shows.

Zo

 

[Sebastian Kinnaird]

The thing is, Halo 2 was only just relesaed so what will be their main
launch title? Rare isn't that reliable ever since they started losing
people
from the N64 era. If they don't get a great looking Perfect Dark 2, then
Xbox 2 is be a bigger flop then the DC.

Isn't that last comment taking things a little too far? One game isn't
going to make or break any console nowadays IMO.

Anyway, the DC had plenty of great looking games with great playability ...
didn't exactly help much overall in the scheme of things.

Seb

 

[Jimmery]

Zelda? Another for GC? When?

I NEED another Zelda fix!

hi scott, check out the details here:

http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/action/thelegendofzelda/index.html

 

[Jimmery]

But it will not be a 4 year lifespan. They will still continue to make
games for probably 2-3 years after that.

with the speed of advancement in technology i do not think that a 4 year
lifecycle is detrimental to a console these days.

however i cant see xbox games being made 2-3 years after the next
console has been released.

 

[Jimmery]

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Zelda, Revolution, Xbox 2

xbox 2 out early? microsoft is obviously hoping to have the advantage
the ps2 had when it came out (im ignoring the failure that was the DC).

however if microsoft releases 3 different versions of the xbox 2 a year
before any of the competition then perhaps they will realize what a
mistake it is before the ps3 and revolution begin to eat into the next
gen market share...

if nintendo pull their finger out and get the revolution out before the
ps3 this could go well for them. the ps2 has dominated this current
generation of consoles. lets hope that in the next generation things are
a bit more even - this would be a great thing for gamers across the world...

 

[Ice Wipe Inc.]

Well using the word flop was a bit strong, but the games are what in the end
make or break you. What would MS be without Halo? Americans love those type
of games to death, and Halo and Halo 2 are the best selling games ont he
Xbox.

Sega's reasons for failing are many, but Sega lasted that long with the help
of their name in the industry. MS on the other hand has no room to fail,
though they have endless mounttains of money, that means nothing if no-one
buys its system.

I'm just being realistic here. I personally don't care in the long run if
MS pulls it off or not in the US, seeing as Sony will always have a strangle
hold on the industry because it owns Japan outright.

You MS fangirls can squeal all you want in joy with your Halos and other
lame-ass American gaming plots and pretty pictures...

 

[Ice Wipe Inc.]

It would be foolish of Nintendo to launch along side of Sony's new system.
In the US Nintendo has lost interest in the gaming sector due to it not
following in Sony's steps(ie: not embracing violance and gore). It would
have a better chance in Japan though, but still...

The Big N needs to release months ahead of Sony to get any real Market
penetration. This time around they have to launch without any other system
near, or only the hardcore gamers will care about their systems while the
general gamer will only buy Sony and its system selling titles.

xbox 2 out early? microsoft is obviously hoping to have the advantage
the ps2 had when it came out (im ignoring the failure that was the DC).

however if microsoft releases 3 different versions of the xbox 2 a year
before any of the competition then perhaps they will realize what a
mistake it is before the ps3 and revolution begin to eat into the next
gen market share...

if nintendo pull their finger out and get the revolution out before the
ps3 this could go well for them. the ps2 has dominated this current
generation of consoles. lets hope that in the next generation things are
a bit more even - this would be a great thing for gamers across the

world...

 

[FenceSitter]

Mmmm, don't you think 4 years is a pretty short lifespan for a conosle
system..?

It definitely is, but that's not to say that Micro$oft isn't going to
make it that short. They want to squeeze as much money out of us
gamers as they can, and they saw what happened when the ps2 came out a
year before their machine. Which will be more profitable: supporting
Xbox full-time for an extra year, or trying to sell as many units as
PS2 and then support Xbox 2 for an extra year? If their console takes
over the market, you can bet your life the latter is much more
profitable.

Sony is not bringing out their system so soon because they're already
dominating, and, as is well-known to this forum, selling games is
where the money's at. It's a gamble on Microsoft's part, but I really
don't see it hurting them that much if it fails. These companies have
more than enough money to stay afloat.

Nintendo is something else though. It seems like they care about
their gamers more than M$ and Sony, but that's not necessarily a good
thing for their wallets. If they could outsell Xbox 2 (and even
Sony?) in the next generation by bringing it out earlier, then that's
what they should be doing. They want to continue supporting the GC
though, and they always have the GBA to fall back on. It's good in
the short term (again with game sales), but in the long term, we'll
have to wait and see. They've got the best first-party games
hands-down, and that's enough to keep them in the console business.
Perhaps with this move they are trying to keep their current (and
create some new) loyalists.

 

[Jimmery]

It would be foolish of Nintendo to launch along side of Sony's new system.
In the US Nintendo has lost interest in the gaming sector due to it not
following in Sony's steps(ie: not embracing violance and gore). It would
have a better chance in Japan though, but still...

The Big N needs to release months ahead of Sony to get any real Market
penetration. This time around they have to launch without any other system
near, or only the hardcore gamers will care about their systems while the
general gamer will only buy Sony and its system selling titles.

nintendo needs to completely readdress its marketing policy. they need
to mature with their core audience. they need to stop shying away from
violence and gore. most of all they need to stop using characters like
mario and pokemon as their flagship titles and company mascots.

they seem to be slowly realizing this, and evidence can be seen of
nintendo slowly "growing up", but they need to act quicker and develop
more mature game developing companies like retro. combine this with a
launch date that is before the ps3 and the revolution will have a good
chance - but if nintendo continues to fight this console war as they
have been since the 16bit era then they are doomed...

 

[Jimmery]

Nintendo is something else though. It seems like they care about
their gamers more than M$ and Sony, but that's not necessarily a good
thing for their wallets. If they could outsell Xbox 2 (and even
Sony?) in the next generation by bringing it out earlier, then that's
what they should be doing. They want to continue supporting the GC
though, and they always have the GBA to fall back on. It's good in
the short term (again with game sales), but in the long term, we'll
have to wait and see. They've got the best first-party games
hands-down, and that's enough to keep them in the console business.
Perhaps with this move they are trying to keep their current (and
create some new) loyalists.

i think if nintendo dont gain some kind of success with the revolution
(not neccessarily dominate, but at least not flounder in third place
like the cube has) then the revolution will be their last console. which
is a shame because, as you said, their dedication to games is second to
none...

 

[Jimmery]

MS on the other hand has no room to fail,
though they have endless mounttains of money, that means nothing if no-one
buys its system.

i think MS has already proven itself to be dedicated to console gaming
with the xbox. i was never a fan of the xbox, and i still aint a fan of
MS, but i must admit they have done a good job of promoting their
console and maintaining an excellent (currently the best) online
solution. online gaming isnt what i am into, but many people out there
are into online gaming, and i can see the xbox 2 doing well on the
strength of xbox live alone.