Would you recommend "Thunderbird" for my E-mail Application?

[Ray10X10]

Thank You for your help.

I use Windows XP2, Microsoft Office 2003, Internet Explorer 6, Outlook
Express,
and Comcast High Speed Cable Internet.

I have frequent trouble with Outlook Express.

Would you recommend "Thunderbird" for my E-mail Application?

If no, what E-mail program would you recommend?

Thank You for your willingness to help a novice.

Your help will be greatly appreciated.

 

[VanguardLH]

I use Windows XP2, Microsoft Office 2003, Internet Explorer 6, Outlook
Express, and Comcast High Speed Cable Internet. I have frequent
trouble with Outlook Express. Would you recommend "Thunderbird" for
my E-mail Application? If no, what E-mail program would you
recommend?

What is wrong with Outlook that came bundled in MS Office 2003?

 

[1PW]

Thank You for your help.

I use Windows XP2, Microsoft Office 2003, Internet Explorer 6, Outlook
Express,
and Comcast High Speed Cable Internet.

I have frequent trouble with Outlook Express.

Would you recommend "Thunderbird" for my E-mail Application?

Yes - without hesitation. Get version 2.0.0.23 for now.

 

[SC Tom]

Thank You for your help.

I use Windows XP2, Microsoft Office 2003, Internet Explorer 6, Outlook
Express,
and Comcast High Speed Cable Internet.

I have frequent trouble with Outlook Express.

Would you recommend "Thunderbird" for my E-mail Application?

If no, what E-mail program would you recommend?

Thank You for your willingness to help a novice.

Your help will be greatly appreciated.

I'd recommend that you fix whatever "frequent trouble" you're having with
Outlook Express.

SC Tom

 

[Jim]

Thank You for your help.

I use Windows XP2, Microsoft Office 2003, Internet Explorer 6, Outlook
Express,
and Comcast High Speed Cable Internet.

I have frequent trouble with Outlook Express.

Would you recommend "Thunderbird" for my E-mail Application?

If no, what E-mail program would you recommend?

Thank You for your willingness to help a novice.

Your help will be greatly appreciated.

My default is Opera which also has its on mail system .

 

[Unknown]

Why mask a problem by installing another program? Fix the problem and you'll
be ahead of the game.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Thank You for your help.

I use Windows XP2, Microsoft Office 2003, Internet Explorer 6, Outlook
Express,
and Comcast High Speed Cable Internet.

I have frequent trouble with Outlook Express.

Would you recommend "Thunderbird" for my E-mail Application?

If no, what E-mail program would you recommend?

Thank You for your willingness to help a novice.

The problem with your question is that you are asking for an opinion,
not a fact. And opinions among the people in this newsgroup (as well
as elsewhere) will vary widely. That's because we all work differently
and have different needs in software, as well as different likes and
dislikes. Other people's opinions shouldn't count to you. You should
try several e-mail clients and choose the one *you* like best.

But since you asked, no I personally wouldn't recommend Thunderbird. I
would recommend Outlook (not Outlook Express, which is a very
different program). I use Outlook 2007, but if you have Office 2003,
you have Outlook 2003 and that's what I recommend you at least try.

If you like Outlook Express, you should describe your problems with it
in the Outlook Express newsgroup, and get help with the problems
there.

And by the way, this isn't a web-based forum; it's a newsgroup. You
are using the awful web interface to participate in this
newsgroup--it's the slowest, clunkiest, most error-prone method of
using the newsgroups there is. Do yourself a favor and switch to a
newsreader, such as Outlook Express, which comes with Windows XP, or
Windows Mail, which comes with Vista (or again, any of the many others
available; I personally use and like Forte Agent). See
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

 

[Bill Sharpe]

Thank You for your help.

I use Windows XP2, Microsoft Office 2003, Internet Explorer 6, Outlook
Express,
and Comcast High Speed Cable Internet.

I have frequent trouble with Outlook Express.

Would you recommend "Thunderbird" for my E-mail Application?

If no, what E-mail program would you recommend?

Thank You for your willingness to help a novice.

Your help will be greatly appreciated.

I've been using Thunderbird happily for a couple of years. But my wife
still uses Outlook Express on her computer and hasn't had any real
problems with it.

If you like OE, I'd suggest posting your problems to
microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general.

Bill

 

[SC Tom]

The problem with your question is that you are asking for an opinion,
not a fact. And opinions among the people in this newsgroup (as well
as elsewhere) will vary widely. That's because we all work differently
and have different needs in software, as well as different likes and
dislikes. Other people's opinions shouldn't count to you. You should
try several e-mail clients and choose the one *you* like best.

But since you asked, no I personally wouldn't recommend Thunderbird. I
would recommend Outlook (not Outlook Express, which is a very
different program). I use Outlook 2007, but if you have Office 2003,
you have Outlook 2003 and that's what I recommend you at least try.

If you like Outlook Express, you should describe your problems with it
in the Outlook Express newsgroup, and get help with the problems
there.

And by the way, this isn't a web-based forum; it's a newsgroup. You
are using the awful web interface to participate in this
newsgroup--it's the slowest, clunkiest, most error-prone method of
using the newsgroups there is. Do yourself a favor and switch to a
newsreader, such as Outlook Express, which comes with Windows XP, or
Windows Mail, which comes with Vista (or again, any of the many others
available; I personally use and like Forte Agent). See
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

I read the link and am confused by one thing (well, maybe more than one, but
one stands out). In order to access newsgroups from Outlook 2003, doesn't
Outlook Express have to be already installed? I read it as using OE news
within OL2003. Is that correct?
(I'll miss OE in Windows 7, that's for sure.)

SC Tom

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I read the link and am confused by one thing (well, maybe more than one, but
one stands out).

Feel free to also ask any other questions you have.

In order to access newsgroups from Outlook 2003,

*No* version of Outlook, neither Outlook 2003 nor any other, does
newsgroups. That's one of the many differences between Outlook and
Outlook Express. (However note that there are third-party programs
that add newsreader capability to Outlook.)

However Outlook has a menu item (on the Go menu) or toolbar icon to
invoke your newsreader. By default it invokes Outlook Express, but in
some versions of Outlook, you can switch it to another newsreader.

doesn't
Outlook Express have to be already installed?

Yes, but if you're running XP, Outlook Express is installed unless
you've removed it.

I read it as using OE news
within OL2003. Is that correct?

No. There's no "within" involved here. Outlook Express runs as a
completely separate program, as it always does. All Outlook does here
is launch Outlook Express in new sonly mode for you when you click the
menu item or toolbar icon. Alternatively you could launch it yourself,
with exactly the same result.

(I'll miss OE in Windows 7, that's for sure.)

Why? There are many other programs that do e-mail and/or newsgroups,
and several of them are arguably better than Outlook Express. I've
been using Outlook for e-mail and Forte Agent for newsgroups for many
years, and I prefer them to Outlook Express. It's your choice, of
course, and you don't have to do things my way, but I do suggest that
you at least try some of the alternatives.

 

[SC Tom]

Feel free to also ask any other questions you have.




*No* version of Outlook, neither Outlook 2003 nor any other, does
newsgroups. That's one of the many differences between Outlook and
Outlook Express. (However note that there are third-party programs
that add newsreader capability to Outlook.)

However Outlook has a menu item (on the Go menu) or toolbar icon to
invoke your newsreader. By default it invokes Outlook Express, but in
some versions of Outlook, you can switch it to another newsreader.




Yes, but if you're running XP, Outlook Express is installed unless
you've removed it.




No. There's no "within" involved here. Outlook Express runs as a
completely separate program, as it always does. All Outlook does here
is launch Outlook Express in new sonly mode for you when you click the
menu item or toolbar icon. Alternatively you could launch it yourself,
with exactly the same result.




Why? There are many other programs that do e-mail and/or newsgroups,
and several of them are arguably better than Outlook Express. I've
been using Outlook for e-mail and Forte Agent for newsgroups for many
years, and I prefer them to Outlook Express. It's your choice, of
course, and you don't have to do things my way, but I do suggest that
you at least try some of the alternatives.

Thanks for the responses, Ken!
I guess what I'll miss is the comfort level of OE. I've used it since it was
first released with Windows, and have never had a need to try anything else
for news. But, since 7 isn't going to include a client, I'll need to use
something else.
I own Office 2003 which is why I was asking about the need for OE. I guess
the better question would have been, "If I install OL2003 in Windows 7, am I
going to able to access my newsgroups?" Without a 3rd-party news reader, I
guess the answer is "No."
I'm familiar with Outlook (used it for many years at work), so I knew it had
no native ability to access newsgroups. I have an older version of Forte
(3.something), but never really liked it. I fired it up today to see what I
could do with it, and still don't like it.
Maybe I'll try T'Bird for a change.

SC Tom

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Thanks for the responses, Ken!

You're welcome. Glad to help.

I guess what I'll miss is the comfort level of OE. I've used it since it was
first released with Windows, and have never had a need to try anything else
for news.

But, since 7 isn't going to include a client, I'll need to use
something else.
I own Office 2003 which is why I was asking about the need for OE. I guess
the better question would have been, "If I install OL2003 in Windows 7, am I
going to able to access my newsgroups?" Without a 3rd-party news reader, I
guess the answer is "No."

No, the answer isn't "no." Yes, you need a program that doesn't come
with Windows 7, but no, it doesn't have to be third-party. You can
download and install the Microsoft program Windows Live Mail.

I don't have any experience with this, but I believe it is much like
Outlook Express.

I'm familiar with Outlook (used it for many years at work), so I knew it had
no native ability to access newsgroups. I have an older version of Forte
(3.something), but never really liked it. I fired it up today to see what I
could do with it, and still don't like it.
Maybe I'll try T'Bird for a change.

The current version of Forte's program called "Agent" is 5.0, so if
you've only looked at a 3.something version, you might find the new
one very different and much better.

Again, not trying to talk you into anything, but I have a couple of
suggestions for you:

1. Firing it up today (even if it were the current version) doesn't
give you a good enough view of any newsreader. "Today" just isn't long
enough. They are all different, with different strengths and
weaknesses, and to get to know those strengths and weaknesses and how
well they fit into your way of working requires that you use the
product for several days and play around with its different settings.
Since most of these are shareware and at the every least, you should
be able to get a trial version, I recommend you try each for about a
week.

2. I've tried lots of newsreaders, and each one I've tried has had
some features I liked better than Outlook Express's and some features
I didn't like as much. I settled on Agent because it best fit my
personal way of working. Sure, try Thunderbird. But also try Agent 5.0
and as many others as you have time for. Here's a list of most of
what's available: http://www.newsreaders.com/win/clients.html

There are a lot on that list, and undoubtedly you won't have the time
and patience to try them all, but besides Agent and Mozilla, Gravity,
News Rover, and NewsAgent are well-respected. I recommend that you try
at least those, and others here may have other recommendations for
you.

3. Most important, make your own choice, and don't listen to what I
(or anyone else) likes best, other than perhaps to give the choice of
someone you respect a try.

 

[SC Tom]

You're welcome. Glad to help.







No, the answer isn't "no." Yes, you need a program that doesn't come
with Windows 7, but no, it doesn't have to be third-party. You can
download and install the Microsoft program Windows Live Mail.

I don't have any experience with this, but I believe it is much like
Outlook Express.




The current version of Forte's program called "Agent" is 5.0, so if
you've only looked at a 3.something version, you might find the new
one very different and much better.

Again, not trying to talk you into anything, but I have a couple of
suggestions for you:

1. Firing it up today (even if it were the current version) doesn't
give you a good enough view of any newsreader. "Today" just isn't long
enough. They are all different, with different strengths and
weaknesses, and to get to know those strengths and weaknesses and how
well they fit into your way of working requires that you use the
product for several days and play around with its different settings.
Since most of these are shareware and at the every least, you should
be able to get a trial version, I recommend you try each for about a
week.

2. I've tried lots of newsreaders, and each one I've tried has had
some features I liked better than Outlook Express's and some features
I didn't like as much. I settled on Agent because it best fit my
personal way of working. Sure, try Thunderbird. But also try Agent 5.0
and as many others as you have time for. Here's a list of most of
what's available: http://www.newsreaders.com/win/clients.html

There are a lot on that list, and undoubtedly you won't have the time
and patience to try them all, but besides Agent and Mozilla, Gravity,
News Rover, and NewsAgent are well-respected. I recommend that you try
at least those, and others here may have other recommendations for
you.

3. Most important, make your own choice, and don't listen to what I
(or anyone else) likes best, other than perhaps to give the choice of
someone you respect a try.

Since I'll be in the market for and email client and newsreader
all-in-one, I think I give T'Bird and Agent a try. I installed and am
trying out T'Bird right now, and it's pretty darn close to OE. There are
a few options missing that I liked in OE, but that's going to be the
case with any of them. I'll use it for a while, then try Agent for
(maybe) the 30 day period.

Thanks for your suggestions. You are definitely one of the ones here
that I respect your input.

SC Tom

 

[Twayne]

You're welcome. Glad to help.







No, the answer isn't "no." Yes, you need a program that doesn't come
with Windows 7, but no, it doesn't have to be third-party. You can
download and install the Microsoft program Windows Live Mail.

I don't have any experience with this, but I believe it is much like
Outlook Express.




The current version of Forte's program called "Agent" is 5.0, so if
you've only looked at a 3.something version, you might find the new
one very different and much better.

Again, not trying to talk you into anything, but I have a couple of
suggestions for you:

1. Firing it up today (even if it were the current version) doesn't
give you a good enough view of any newsreader. "Today" just isn't long
enough. They are all different, with different strengths and
weaknesses, and to get to know those strengths and weaknesses and how
well they fit into your way of working requires that you use the
product for several days and play around with its different settings.
Since most of these are shareware and at the every least, you should
be able to get a trial version, I recommend you try each for about a
week.

2. I've tried lots of newsreaders, and each one I've tried has had
some features I liked better than Outlook Express's and some features
I didn't like as much. I settled on Agent because it best fit my
personal way of working. Sure, try Thunderbird. But also try Agent 5.0
and as many others as you have time for. Here's a list of most of
what's available: http://www.newsreaders.com/win/clients.html

There are a lot on that list, and undoubtedly you won't have the time
and patience to try them all, but besides Agent and Mozilla, Gravity,
News Rover, and NewsAgent are well-respected. I recommend that you try
at least those, and others here may have other recommendations for
you.

3. Most important, make your own choice, and don't listen to what I
(or anyone else) likes best, other than perhaps to give the choice of
someone you respect a try.

 

[Twayne]

You're welcome. Glad to help.







No, the answer isn't "no." Yes, you need a program that doesn't come
with Windows 7, but no, it doesn't have to be third-party. You can
download and install the Microsoft program Windows Live Mail.

In fact, he could go ahead and download IE6 and then use its OE6 if he
didn't mind a little extra baggage along for the ride. Then adding IE7
or 8 after that will leave OE6 still working. I didn't think it'd work,
but it did. It worked out fine on an Acer I just got done with last
week. Got a thank you from him today; checked headers & it was written
in OE6.

Regards,

Twayne`

 

[SC Tom]

In fact, he could go ahead and download IE6 and then use its OE6 if he
didn't mind a little extra baggage along for the ride. Then adding IE7
or 8 after that will leave OE6 still working. I didn't think it'd work,
but it did. It worked out fine on an Acer I just got done with last
week. Got a thank you from him today; checked headers & it was written
in OE6.

Regards,

Twayne`

And this would work in Windows 7? I can't believe
Win7 would allow IE6 to even be installed. But
then again, I didn't think Yugo's would ever sell
in the U.S.

SC Tom

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Since I'll be in the market for and email client and newsreader
all-in-one,

Lots of people disagree with me, but I see *no* advantage in having an
e-mail client and a newsreader in the same package. I'd just as soon
have two completely separate programs.

I think I give T'Bird and Agent a try. I installed and am
trying out T'Bird right now, and it's pretty darn close to OE. There are
a few options missing that I liked in OE, but that's going to be the
case with any of them. I'll use it for a while, then try Agent for
(maybe) the 30 day period.

Thanks for your suggestions. You are definitely one of the ones here
that I respect your input.

Thanks for the kind words.

K

 

[Leythos]

Lots of people disagree with me, but I see *no* advantage in having an
e-mail client and a newsreader in the same package. I'd just as soon
have two completely separate programs.

I completely agree with you - I still use a Text based Usenet Client,
Gravity, it's free and I've used it for more than a DECADE. While I
don't do Porn or Binaries, it works very well and I export my Group
settings when I exit and import them when I start it - this lets me run
Gravity from 4 different computers and all of them import and export the
settings/group counts so that I'm always in sync between all 4
computers.

I've seen to many problems with Email programs being used for Usenet
access - most people treat Usenet as email when they do that.

 

[SC Tom]

Lots of people disagree with me, but I see *no* advantage in having an
e-mail client and a newsreader in the same package. I'd just as soon
have two completely separate programs.

I agree, there really is no advantage. But I'd
just as soon have them both together rather than
separate.

Thanks again for your time.

 

[Bill in Co.]

And this would work in Windows 7? I can't believe
Win7 would allow IE6 to even be installed.

I don't believe it either. I think he's on drugs.