WinXP SP2 Beta Version 2055

[Guest]

Look guys, I didn't come in here to start any arguments. All I asked for was some help with a small problem. If you can't answer my question, could you please point me in the right direction to get some help. I'm sure someone here is better aquainted with these these news groups then I am. I am a moderator in a Forum and frequent two others, I would never treat you this way if you came to one of my forums. I didn't steal WinXP SP2 Version 2055. It was a free download with no strings attached, except maybe a few bugs, and thats why I am here. When someone ask for help, you are supposed to try and help them to the best of your ability. Giving them a smart ass answer is not being of any help. Believe me if you and me was face to face you wouldn't be answering me that way.

 

[Guest]

I understand that it didn't come with support. What I figured is that I might just run into someone that has already dealt with the problem and might have a solution. That is what the Beta Versions is all about.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

As I recall, the OP wanted to backup an "image" of his C: drive
to a D: drive. Are you suggesting XP's native backup utility can
perform such a task? Not at all! A third-party "imaging" program,
such as Symantec's Ghost, would be required.

Here is the OP question:

"I have 2 HDD on my system, C:\ is 20G and D:\ is 40G, I
| tried to run NTbackup on my system so that i can have a
| copy of C drive on my D drive. But i got an error message.
|
| "Media name: "Backup.bkf created 12/29/2003 at 15:38"
| Error returned while creating the volume shadow
| copy:80042301
| Aborting Backup.
|
| Any ideas??"


XP's backup program can perform a "System State" backup which
entails backing up data which includes the registry, the COM Class
Registration database and the system boot files. It cannot perform
a backup of the entire Windows XP O/S.

If my assertion is incorrect, I'm open to being corrected.

HOW TO: Use Backup to Back Up Files and Folders on Your Computer in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308422&Product=winxp

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

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"Bob S." (e-mail address removed) wrote in message:

| Yeah, I will and post my name to it, This the most
| ridiculous statement I have ever heard anyone make,
| especially a MVP or someone that says they are.
|
| Carey Frisch said :
|
| Subject: Re: NTbackup
| From: "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <[email protected]>
| Sent: 12/31/2003 9:47:31 AM
|
| Windows XP's standard backup utility is not designed to
| perform a complete system backup. It is designed to
| backup data files and folders.

 

[Chris Lanier]

Short answer, you cant get support. You need to wait until the final
version is released. Just because it was a "free download" doesn't means
much. The beta newsgroups is where you want to be, but since you are not a
valid tester you may not access them.

Look guys, I didn't come in here to start any arguments. All I asked for

was some help with a small problem. If you can't answer my question, could
you please point me in the right direction to get some help. I'm sure
someone here is better aquainted with these these news groups then I am. I
am a moderator in a Forum and frequent two others, I would never treat you
this way if you came to one of my forums. I didn't steal WinXP SP2 Version
2055. It was a free download with no strings attached, except maybe a few
bugs, and thats why I am here. When someone ask for help, you are supposed
to try and help them to the best of your ability. Giving them a smart ass
answer is not being of any help. Believe me if you and me was face to face
you wouldn't be answering me that way.

 

[Chris Lanier]

It should work that way for beta testers, not the people who just download
from the web w/o being a valid tester. I'm sorry, but that's how it works.
You need to wait until the product is finished.

I understand that it didn't come with support. What I figured is that I

might just run into someone that has already dealt with the problem and
might have a solution. That is what the Beta Versions is all about.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Being in the infancy beta stage, beta programs will have bugs and issues
that will be resolved over time. Don't expect any beta product to perform
or install flawlessly. The issues you sited with SP2 will be resolved as the
product is tested and refined. There will be several beta versions developed
as bugs are submitted by SP2 beta testers and Microsoft developers work
to refine the code. Since you are apparently not part of the official SP2 beta testing
group, you have no access to the SP2 beta newsgroups that discuss and report
issues.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

 

[Guest]

All you'll get from these two is a copy and pasted answer
they plagiarized from someone else.

-----Original Message-----
I understand that it didn't come with support. What I

figured is that I might just run into someone that has
already dealt with the problem and might have a solution.
That is what the Beta Versions is all about.

 

[Guest]

Chris and Carey, you two must be an Item, ya both have the same answer for everything. Although your answer are pretty lame and stupid. YES I KNOW it is a Beta release and there are going to be BUGS, and yes those bugs will be Ironed out, and NO I am not an official Beta Tester. But I was hoping that I would run into some guys that also have it loaded and might have an answer, THAT IS WHAT A FORUM IS FOR, but I made a mistake and ran into you two Morons who like to play Moderators on an open forum. The problem is you are of no help to anyone, not even yourself because you can't step out of your little play ground long enough to learn anything.
With that said, I found some answers to my problem on another forum that is not WinXP Beta Related, isn't that amazing. I actually found some people that knew what a forum was for.
Why don't you two little pansies get married and go to work for Microsoft and get it over with.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

So if you found a resolution to your issues, why don't you
inform us of the actual resolution instead of criticizing?
Otherwise, there is no value to your rant.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

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| Chris and Carey, you two must be an Item, ya both have the same answer for everything. Although your answer
are pretty lame and stupid. YES I KNOW it is a Beta release and there are going to be BUGS, and yes those bugs
will be Ironed out, and NO I am not an official Beta Tester. But I was hoping that I would run into some guys
that also have it loaded and might have an answer, THAT IS WHAT A FORUM IS FOR, but I made a mistake and ran
into you two Morons who like to play Moderators on an open forum. The problem is you are of no help to anyone,
not even yourself because you can't step out of your little play ground long enough to learn anything.
| With that said, I found some answers to my problem on another forum that is not WinXP Beta Related, isn't
that amazing. I actually found some people that knew what a forum was for.
| Why don't you two little pansies get married and go to work for Microsoft and get it over with.

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Very untrue!

 

[Tom Porterfield]

I understand that it didn't come with support. What I figured is that
I might just run into someone that has already dealt with the problem
and might have a solution. That is what the Beta Versions is all
about.

Cowboy, my apologies for the ridiculousness of this thread. You deserve
to be treated better than this, as anyone does. There is no reason not to
expect that someone who could answer your question would. So far I have
installed SP2 on three different machines. Once as an upgrade and the
other two were clean installs. So far I have not seen the error you are
reporting so can't offer an suggestion as to what might be the cause of
the problem. If I come across anything I will let you know.

You might try uninstalling SP2, or rolling back to a restore point from
before the install. Verify that everything is working and then try SP2
again.

You might also try going to Adminstrative Tools in the Control Panel and
opening services. Try manually stopping and restarting the Automatic
Updates service.

Good luck.
--
Tom Porterfield
MS-MVP Smart Display
http://support.telop.org

Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.

 

[Chris Lanier]

Hi, No one is going to be help to you here. We keep trying to explain to
you that the software is in beta. There will be problems and the beta
testers for the product will submit them. We have both explained this too
you many times. Please read the Rules of Conduct for Microsoft Newsgroups.
The two topics you might want to read very good are as follows below. There
is nothing wrong with anyone saying that you are posting in the wrong place,
and that you should not be running the software in the first place. Also is
*not* a forum, it's a newsgroup! It is also suggested that you take a
look at a few sites that offer tips of "Netiquette" You could use some
improvement in the field. Despite the fact that you "run your own forum"
(btw, that doesn't make you "cool" or anything. it just makes you sound
stupid) this is not your forum, nor is it a forum at all. Since you "found
your answer" you may now leave without replaying to this message. Your kind
are not welcome here.

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FYI, I love replying to these. It's so funny to see all the n00b's try and
get answers for betas they are not part of!

Have a nice day!
Chris Lanier

Chris and Carey, you two must be an Item, ya both have the same answer for

everything. Although your answer are pretty lame and stupid. YES I KNOW it
is a Beta release and there are going to be BUGS, and yes those bugs will be
Ironed out, and NO I am not an official Beta Tester. But I was hoping that I
would run into some guys that also have it loaded and might have an answer,
THAT IS WHAT A FORUM IS FOR, but I made a mistake and ran into you two
Morons who like to play Moderators on an open forum. The problem is you are
of no help to anyone, not even yourself because you can't step out of your
little play ground long enough to learn anything.

With that said, I found some answers to my problem on another forum that

is not WinXP Beta Related, isn't that amazing. I actually found some people
that knew what a forum was for.

Why don't you two little pansies get married and go to work for Microsoft

and get it over with.

 

[Guest]

Yeah your right, my kind are not wanted here. Judging from some of the others who posted, I would say you guys are not to well liked. Go figure.
The difference between a Forum and a Newsgroup, now thats a real stretch. Of course the difference would be the Spelling. But then, who can argue with you two geniuses.

{So if you found a resolution to your issues, why don't you
inform us of the actual resolution instead of criticizing?} Why would I want to give you anything, but what you have given me.

{ It is also suggested that you take a
look at a few sites that offer tips of "Netiquette" You could use some
improvement in the field.} Now look who's calling the kettle black, now thats real funny coming from you.

{Despite the fact that you "run your own forum"
(btw, that doesn't make you "cool" or anything. it just makes you sound
stupid) That the best you can do.

{Since you "found
your answer" you may now leave without replaying to this message. Your kind
are not welcome here.} You really are funny Chris.

 

[Guest]

I read the tread and I'm shocked to hear that Microsoft would allow this kind of treatment towards their customers. I would suggest instead of trying to argue with 'Cowboy', you would simply advise his that there is no support available for the Beta rls of sp2 (2055). I'm sure he would understand that if you informed him in a polite and professional manner.

Cowboy, I would suggest that you seek help outside of Microsoft's list-serv. I've found that Google has more information available for Microsoft problems than what you can find in this list-serv. In fact there are a few beta sp2 issues already out there.

Good luck in your search for a solution.
A Fellow Windows User

 

[Chris Lanier]

Hi, Beta software is not meant to be in the hands of others besides MSDN
subscribers and official beta testers. There has been nothing wrong with
me, Carey, or anyone else saying that you can't/will not get help here.
Cowboy just decided to carry it on and on. And now, it got he he/she is
flaming others for basically putting it nicely first (which we did, please
post in the correct beta/MSDN group). You want to flame and I will flame
back.

Of course there are issue with XP SP2. There should be. And since the NDA
was never lifted from beta testers none of them should be talking about it.

You may feel free to look other place for help, but here, no. I'm sure no
one at Microsoft will have any problem with the way me and Carey have been
putting it.

I read the tread and I'm shocked to hear that Microsoft would allow this

kind of treatment towards their customers. I would suggest instead of
trying to argue with 'Cowboy', you would simply advise his that there is no
support available for the Beta rls of sp2 (2055). I'm sure he would
understand that if you informed him in a polite and professional manner.

Cowboy, I would suggest that you seek help outside of Microsoft's

list-serv. I've found that Google has more information available for
Microsoft problems than what you can find in this list-serv. In fact there
are a few beta sp2 issues already out there.

 

[shojo kid]

Cowboy, my apologies for the ridiculousness of this thread. You deserve
to be treated better than this, as anyone does. There is no reason not to
expect that someone who could answer your question would. ........... .....................
.....................

Good luck.

Tom, Many thanks for your help before about my scripting problem - and
for your common sense.

Is SP2 a wortwhile upgrade for most people?

Once again - Thanks

 

[John E. Carty]

Tom, Many thanks for your help before about my scripting problem - and for
your common sense.


Is SP2 a wortwhile upgrade for most people?

Not before testing is complete

 

[shojo kid]

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Not before testing is complete

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Hi John,
What improvements are being tested, and when will testing be complete?
What percentage of testers have had annoying problems
Thanks for your help

 

[Tom Porterfield]

Hi John,
What improvements are being tested, and when will testing be complete?
What percentage of testers have had annoying problems
Thanks for your help

Probably not questions that can be answered. After all, all private beta
testers are under strict NDA. MS has released some information that can
be found at the following links:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/securityinxpsp2.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/winxpsp2.asp

SP2 is currently in early beta, so things are still subject to change as
the beta progresses.
--
Tom Porterfield
MS-MVP Smart Display
http://support.telop.org

Please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup only.

 

[John E. Carty]

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Hi John,
What improvements are being tested, and when will testing be complete?
What percentage of testers have had annoying problems
Thanks for your help

BETA testing of XPSP2 has just begun. Here is the public information which
is available:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...d7-b791-40b6-8364-685b84158c78&DisplayLang=en

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwxp/html/securityinxpsp2.asp