Windows over Linux??

[Alias]

So, as far as I can see, when you need a killer app you need a windows
api emulator... this is because?

Maybe you have an alternative, use bochs or qemu for running Windows
for doing real works (hey! at leats you are running Linux at "low
level")

About Virus?
Remember that IT security is more just virus, I'll say it againt read:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/05/windows_linux_unix_security_vulnerabilities/

In an enterprise enviroment where desktops PCs are the weakest link
this is far more critical that viruses, I (as a sysadmin) don't like a
denial of service, don't like buggy daemons, I work in a network with
4000 windows 2k and xp machines, a VIRUS NEVER pass the DMZ, or wasn't
filtered by our Windows Antivirus (TrendMicro).

Cost again
It's really easy (my salary and extra hours add to the TCO) to keep up
todate with services like Windows Update, it's really easy the
management with ActiveDirectory (less people add less to the TCO).

Now for the regular guy desktop
Now, far from the IT deparment, I just wonder what drandma could say
if her new printer or webcam isn't recognized by Ubuntu, but hey! it
really easy, I should send a mail, something like this:

"Grandma, download the latest kernel (do you know where to get it no?,
we had this problema a few months ago), for the new webcam there is a
driver written by a 15 years old kid, download the tarball (I'm sorry
grandma, this isn't at the ubuntu universe or multiverse for download)
a compile it, should work ok!

P.S grandma, remember the tar parameters you forgot last time!"

Luis García Bustos
A mortal blogger, trying to get richer with ads
http://luisgarciaar.blogspot.com

I installed Ubuntu for a 79 year old lady in a wheelchair and she has no
problem with it at all and she's had it for over six months so you were
saying? Course, she's using an nVidia video card and a C-Media sound
card. If it were ATI or Creative, she would have problems but that's
only because Creative and ATI don't feel the need to provide drivers for
Linux.

Alias

 

[luisgarciaar]

I installed Ubuntu for a 79 year old lady in a wheelchair and she has no
problem with it at all and she's had it for over six months so you were
saying? Course, she's using an nVidia video card and a C-Media sound
card. If it were ATI or Creative, she would have problems but that's
only because Creative and ATI don't feel the need to provide drivers for
Linux.

Alias

1. Try Ubuntu with my grandma... =) maybe this has something to do
with it: PLUG AND PLAY, INTEGRATION, STANDAR GUI, INTUITIVE (OUT OF
THE BOX).
1.1 I don't know about you, but my proffesional services has a cost
(that adds to the TCO) - yes, even for grandma -

2. If you use Win32 you can use the hardware you choose, by price,
performance, specs, it's not narrowed by the operating system, a word
for you: FLEXIBILITY

3.You didn't answer my question about why if Ubuntu is so great (and
Linux in general) there are api emulation layers (Wine), distros that
try to mimic the "look and feel" (Linspire) of Windows, as far as I
know Microsoft doesn't try to mimic Linux, a word for you: MARKET
LEADER.

Flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaameeeeee

Luis García Bustos
A mortal blogger, trying to get richer with ads
http://luisgarciaar.blogspot.com

 

[Alias]

1. Try Ubuntu with my grandma... =) maybe this has something to do
with it: PLUG AND PLAY, INTEGRATION, STANDAR GUI, INTUITIVE (OUT OF
THE BOX).

If you've never used Windows, *nothing* is intuitive, standard, out of
the box or plug and play. Your grandma knows how to install drivers for
her video card?

1.1 I don't know about you, but my proffesional services has a cost
(that adds to the TCO) - yes, even for grandma -

I'm not in the computer business. When I help people with computers, I
do it out of the kindness of my heart. I don't need the money.

2. If you use Win32 you can use the hardware you choose, by price,
performance, specs, it's not narrowed by the operating system, a word
for you: FLEXIBILITY

Tell that to the Vista users who can't use hardware that hasn't been
written for Vista yet.

3.You didn't answer my question about why if Ubuntu is so great (and
Linux in general) there are api emulation layers (Wine), distros that
try to mimic the "look and feel" (Linspire) of Windows, as far as I
know Microsoft doesn't try to mimic Linux, a word for you: MARKET
LEADER.

Um, Windows was stolen from Apple and Xerox. oops.

Flaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaameeeeee

Luis García Bustos
A mortal blogger, trying to get richer with ads
http://luisgarciaar.blogspot.com

If MS keeps up the anti piracy crap, it will no longer be a "market leader".

Now, go check for AV updates, malware updates, do a clean up and defrag
your computer, something I don't have to do with Ubuntu.

Alias

 

[luisgarciaar]

If you've never used Windows, *nothing* is intuitive, standard, out of
the box or plug and play. Your grandma knows how to install drivers for
her video card?

No need for, out of the box the GUI worked ok (XOrg does the same?),
same with audio.

I'm not in the computer business. When I help people with computers, I
do it out of the kindness of my heart. I don't need the money.

Sorry, I can't I AM IN THE COMPUTER BUSINESS SO MY DESICIONS NEED TO
BE SOUND AND MUST WORK, AT THE LOWER COST AND MAXIMUM QUALITY FOR MY
CLIENTS.

Tell that to the Vista users who can't use hardware that hasn't been
written for Vista yet.

How do you know you are using the best operating system: wait a few
weeks and all your drivers all there, even the most specialized one.

Um, Windows was stolen from Apple and Xerox. oops.

Hey! I have an idea, I will code a better Minix than Minix... seems
familiar no?

If MS keeps up the anti piracy crap, it will no longer be a "market leader".

Now, go check for AV updates, malware updates, do a clean up and defrag
your computer, something I don't have to do with Ubuntu.

Alias

If you don't do any maintenaince you are being negligent... but

Luis García Bustos
A mortal blogger, trying to get richer with ads
http://luisgarciaar.blogspot.com

 

[Fuzzy Logic]

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You can't compare Ubuntu and XP in such a simple manner.

Ubuntu evolved a lot as a desktop alternative, BUT Microsoft has a
clear advantage with aplications as Office (if you want we can compare
it against OpenOffice) dominating the market, DirectX for gaming,
hardware support, and so on.

Again you can't compare costs, you MUST use the TCO (Total Cost of
Ownership), just because you can download and operating system and
install it for FREE, it doesn't mean that won't cost any money over
time.

Genuine Advante? I don't think this is a bad thing, it's just
marketing for a service, and lets face it, UBUNTU also sell support,
but it isn't mandatory (this adds to the TCO by the way)

Viruses, worms, and all kind of malware targets all kind of operating
systems, Windows having such a big market share, is THE target. I know
your response, 60% of Web sites runs Apache/Linux why they aren't they
attacked? well, read this :
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/05/windows_linux_unix_security_vulne
rabilities/

All modern OS's require frequent patching or your system will be compromised. Check out this article of an
ISP who didn't patch their apache servers and resulted in an estimated 250,000 compromised web sites:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2007/05/cyber_crooks_hijack_activities_1.html

 

[turnip]

It's quite simple, really. Linux is a knock-off of a 40-year old operating
system designed by a money-losing division of your local telephone company.
It's command-line parameters were enhanced by nerds who ardently believe the
DOS command line was not cryptic enough.

Ubangi is the latest incarnation and promoted almost exclusively by those
afflicted with the Microsoft Derangement Syndrome.

On the other hand, Linux does give purpose to many meaningless lives and
would be a net plus if those infected didn't jack with normal folk.

and yet in almost every major server application it our preforms
windows, those MS guys have done an outstanding job havent they...

 

[luisgarciaar]

Is someone able to tell me the advantages of Windows XP Pro over Ubuntu Linux
7.04? I need help with a computer test I am doing and I can't really put it
into words? Can someone help me? Thank you so much. Louise.

A final word, about open source vs. propietary software, windows xp
was released on 2001, ubuntu 7.04 was released on 2007, what about
comparing Windows XP with a 2001 distro? Now what about comparing
OpenOffice 1.0 (other opensource flagship) with Office 2007 (the same
time gap). So as far as I can see, Open Source has introduced so
little innovation (hey maybe OpenOffice 5.0 will have a interface like
Ribbon and is cloning all the features but a few years later.

Luis García Bustos
A mortal blogger, trying to get richer with ads
http://luisgarciaar.blogspot.com

 

[Alias]

A final word, about open source vs. propietary software, windows xp
was released on 2001, ubuntu 7.04 was released on 2007, what about
comparing Windows XP with a 2001 distro? Now what about comparing
OpenOffice 1.0 (other opensource flagship) with Office 2007 (the same
time gap). So as far as I can see, Open Source has introduced so
little innovation (hey maybe OpenOffice 5.0 will have a interface like
Ribbon and is cloning all the features but a few years later.

Luis García Bustos
A mortal blogger, trying to get richer with ads
http://luisgarciaar.blogspot.com

Regardless of what you compare Linux to, be it Windows 95 or Vista,
Windows gets loads of viruses and Linux doesn't. Windows boxes are
corralled into herdbots. Linux boxes aren't. Is this what you call
"innovation" or are you referring to the intrusive "anti piracy" crap?
Or perhaps you're referring to the DRM crap?

What's the more expensive component of a Windows box? Windows.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Sorry, I can't I AM IN THE COMPUTER BUSINESS SO MY DESICIONS NEED TO
BE SOUND AND MUST WORK, AT THE LOWER COST AND MAXIMUM QUALITY FOR MY
CLIENTS.

No wonder you love Windows. You have lots of repair work.

Alias

 

[luisgarciaar]

No wonder you love Windows. You have lots of repair work.

Alias

No, not really. BUSINESS needs realiability (Windows Server/Windows XP/
ActiveDirectory). GAMERS needs max framerates (DirectX9/DirectX10).
USERS needs to be PRODUCTIVE (Office 2007). AUTORS needs their
copyright respected (DRM). DEVELOPERS needs PRODUCTIVITY (.Net =
choose your favourite language!).

And all of them need cheaper SOLUTIONS (yes, you are buying SOLUTIONS
AND SERVICES not software). So if you need a box that needs constant
atention you are not geting a solution.

I'll say it again if you aren't maintaining a linux-os/2-win32-os/400-
qnx platform (believe me, i have worked with all of them) you are
doing a BAD job.

Luis García Bustos
A mortal blogger, trying to get richer with ads
http://luisgarciaar.blogspot.com

 

[Alias]

No, not really. BUSINESS needs realiability (Windows Server/Windows XP/
ActiveDirectory). GAMERS needs max framerates (DirectX9/DirectX10).
USERS needs to be PRODUCTIVE (Office 2007). AUTORS needs their
copyright respected (DRM). DEVELOPERS needs PRODUCTIVITY (.Net =
choose your favourite language!).

And all of them need cheaper SOLUTIONS (yes, you are buying SOLUTIONS
AND SERVICES not software). So if you need a box that needs constant
atention you are not geting a solution.

I'll say it again if you aren't maintaining a linux-os/2-win32-os/400-
qnx platform (believe me, i have worked with all of them) you are
doing a BAD job.

Luis García Bustos
A mortal blogger, trying to get richer with ads
http://luisgarciaar.blogspot.com

No wonder you love Windows. Lots of repair work.

Alias

 

[C.Joseph Drayton]

Is someone able to tell me the advantages of Windows XP Pro over Ubuntu Linux
7.04? I need help with a computer test I am doing and I can't really put it
into words? Can someone help me? Thank you so much. Louise.

Hello Louise,

The question you ask is difficult to answer because you did
not give us enough information.

To begin with what environment are we doing the comparison
in. The needs of a home user vs power user vs SOHO vs large
business vs enterprise business are all different.

How is the computer to be used . . . again doing online
studying vs research vs word processing vs data processing
vs business administration vs gaming vs art all are different.

I could go on. The point I am trying to make and that most
people (especially in the 'holy' war of Linux vs Windows)
seems to forget is that the computer is nothing more that a
tool. Tools are used to make you more efficient or
productive or to increase the quality of your work. There is
no such thing as a universal tool.

My father use to say that you can kill a fly with a
sledgehammer but it is easier with a flyswatter. Using the
right tool for the job makes a big difference.

If you can give us a context for the question, we may be
able to give you a more helpful answer.

Ciao . . . C.Joseph

"A promise is nothing more than an attempt,
to respond to an unreasonable request."

http://blog.tlerma.com/
(A Windows professional's view of entering the Linux world)

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

Yes. Expect 1000 different answers from 1000 different folks, tho.

Hmm. "Windows is better than Linux becouse these posters in a
newsgroup said..."

Uh-huh...

So, get an nVidia card and use that. That isn't Linux' fault.

I'd say it's a "disadvantage", though. Or as you'd put it...

Problem XP Pro Feisty Fawn
Display drivers Yes No
Sound drivers Yes No
Modem drivers Yes No
Printer drivers Yes No
Scanner drivers Yes No
Network drivers Yes No
Buy "special" hware No Yes

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Reality is that which, when you stop believing
in it, does not go away (PKD)

 

[stephen.belyea]

No wonder you love Windows. Lots of repair work.

Alias

Alias, this is a technology forum, not a fireplace. If you're going to
be immature and inflammatory, kindly take it elsewhere.

For the record, only Microsoft Office 2000 works with Wine, and barely
at that. Anything newer is not supported. In terms of driver support,
Ubuntu has been around in various forms for almost a decade and still
lacks comprehensive driver support. Windows Vista has been around
publicly for around 6 months and almost has complete driver support.
While most web servers run some flavor of LAMP, most large businesses
and corporations run Windows 2003 Business Server. Let's not forget
that she's asking about XP and Ubuntu - both of which have been around
for nearly the same amount of time. Which OS has better support and
flexibility? Windows. Which OS has a higher TCO? If you're not a power
user, Ubuntu does.

I run both XP Pro and 7.04 on my laptop, and while Ubuntu is much
speedier, I don't find myself spending hours hunting through the
Ubuntu forums to find answers to simple questions (like getting a
wireless card to work) as enjoyable as downloading a driver,
installing it, and being good to go in 5 minutes.

 

[Gordon]

Problem XP Pro Feisty Fawn
Display drivers Yes No
Sound drivers Yes No
Modem drivers Yes No
Printer drivers Yes No
Scanner drivers Yes No
Network drivers Yes No
Buy "special" hware No Yes

I think that's a /trifle/ overstated:
Kubuntu on my 2 year-old Acer F1:

Problem XP Pro Kubuntu 7.04
Display drivers No Yes
Sound drivers No Yes
Modem drivers N/A N/A
Printer drivers iffy Yes
Scanner drivers N/a N/A
Network drivers Yes Yes
Buy "special" hware No No

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:20:42 +0200, Alias

Um, Windows was stolen from Apple and Xerox. oops.

Apple? What are you smoking?

In a very short space of time in the 32-bit era of home computing, we
had a whole bunch of GUI OSs:
- GEM on Atari
- AmigOS on Amiga
- RiscOS on Archemedes
- Windows from MS for PCs
- MacOS for original Mac
- Sinclair QL's GUI OS

I don't see how Windows, Mouse, Icons and Pointers is a 2-horse race.
You could even WIMP up a ZX Spectrum, and many DOS apps were
internally running thier own event-driven UI with mouse etc.

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in medicine is the Retrospectoscope

 

[Alias]

Alias, this is a technology forum, not a fireplace. If you're going to
be immature and inflammatory, kindly take it elsewhere.

I don't relate well with Net Nannies. Get the fsck over it.

Snip drivel.

Alias

 

[Alias]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:20:42 +0200, Alias


Apple? What are you smoking?

Primo. Want some?

In a very short space of time in the 32-bit era of home computing, we
had a whole bunch of GUI OSs:
- GEM on Atari
- AmigOS on Amiga
- RiscOS on Archemedes
- Windows from MS for PCs
- MacOS for original Mac
- Sinclair QL's GUI OS

I don't see how Windows, Mouse, Icons and Pointers is a 2-horse race.
You could even WIMP up a ZX Spectrum, and many DOS apps were
internally running thier own event-driven UI with mouse etc.

OK, OK, they all stole it from Xerox. Happy?

Alias

 

[Plato]

Is someone able to tell me the advantages of Windows XP Pro over Ubuntu Linux
7.04? I need help with a computer test I am doing and I can't really put it
into words? Can someone help me? Thank you so much. Louise.

Check if the software you want to run will run on Linux.