Windows Mail Slow

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...winston

Similar to a few others reporting slowness in creating messages in Windows
Mail, I also see this delay in loading/displaying/replying to newsgroup
messages. It does not matter whether the email or news messages have been
read or reread.
The delay is about 5-10 seconds. It does not occur all the time.

It is common to all configured news servers.
It does occur in either a standard or admin mode.
The presence of the router or a direct connect to the cable modem does not
make a difference.

The usual 'tweaks' don't seem to have an impact(e.g. compact, reset, empty
tif, cleanup, defrag. Nor does disabling the resident security
applications - AV(Avast), Firewall(Windows), malware (Defender)], UAC or
Windows Updates.

Same problem on two separate machines, both with Windows Ultimate(one in
dual boot, the other the only o/s).

All other installed applications run without any delays whatsoever
including, IE7, Outlook 03 and 07 in all forms of use in a multitasking
environment with or without Windows Mail open and inherent Windows mail
slowness.

A view in task manager performance shows Windows Mail spiking at 90-95% CPU
usage for the duration of the delay when it does occur. When this 'slowness'
does not occur, cpu peaks no higher than 10-15% but drops off to marginal
numbers almost immediately. Physical Ram is stable regardless of the
occurrence at approx 20% of the total 2GB, The page file usage is less than
than 1/5 of the total Windows managed and created size.

As near as I can tell it is only unique to Windows Mail

As always any discussion or suggestions are always welcome.

...winston
 
W

...winston

Gary,
Thanks' for responding.
Contacts ? In Windows Mail about two dozen. Outlook 07 is my default mail
application. It has 63.

If your thinking of the address book auto complete address when composing
option..I thought that might be an issue even if the quantity of contacts
was minimal, and disabled that feature..no impact.
Though, that shouldn't be at play when clicking on a newsgroup message for
opening in a separate Window or preview pane or already read and cached.

..winston

Gary VanderMolen said:
How many Contacts do you have?

Gary VanderMolen

...winston said:
Similar to a few others reporting slowness in creating messages in
Windows Mail, I also see this delay in loading/displaying/replying to
newsgroup messages. It does not matter whether the email or news messages
have been read or reread.
The delay is about 5-10 seconds. It does not occur all the time.

It is common to all configured news servers.
It does occur in either a standard or admin mode.
The presence of the router or a direct connect to the cable modem does
not make a difference.

The usual 'tweaks' don't seem to have an impact(e.g. compact, reset,
empty tif, cleanup, defrag. Nor does disabling the resident security
applications - AV(Avast), Firewall(Windows), malware (Defender)], UAC or
Windows Updates.

Same problem on two separate machines, both with Windows Ultimate(one in
dual boot, the other the only o/s).

All other installed applications run without any delays whatsoever
including, IE7, Outlook 03 and 07 in all forms of use in a multitasking
environment with or without Windows Mail open and inherent Windows mail
slowness.

A view in task manager performance shows Windows Mail spiking at 90-95%
CPU usage for the duration of the delay when it does occur. When this
'slowness' does not occur, cpu peaks no higher than 10-15% but drops off
to marginal numbers almost immediately. Physical Ram is stable regardless
of the occurrence at approx 20% of the total 2GB, The page file usage is
less than than 1/5 of the total Windows managed and created size.

As near as I can tell it is only unique to Windows Mail

As always any discussion or suggestions are always welcome.

...winston
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M

MICHAEL

Hey, Winston.

I've been experiencing this same problem for awhile now.
Like you, I've tried numerous things, but the problem continues.
However, the delay problem disappears after having WinMail
open for awhile. If I close WinMail and then open back up,
the delay is there again.

I also use Outlook 2007 as my default email client on this
laptop. I was using Outlook 2003, just recently decided I
like Office 2007 enough to use it full-time.

If you get any ideas or figure it out, please reply to the
newsgroup and let us know.

Thanks.

-Michael

...winston said:
Gary,
Thanks' for responding.
Contacts ? In Windows Mail about two dozen. Outlook 07 is my default mail application. It has
63.

If your thinking of the address book auto complete address when composing option..I thought
that might be an issue even if the quantity of contacts was minimal, and disabled that
feature..no impact.
Though, that shouldn't be at play when clicking on a newsgroup message for opening in a
separate Window or preview pane or already read and cached.

..winston

Gary VanderMolen said:
How many Contacts do you have?

Gary VanderMolen

...winston said:
Similar to a few others reporting slowness in creating messages in Windows Mail, I also see
this delay in loading/displaying/replying to newsgroup messages. It does not matter whether
the email or news messages have been read or reread.
The delay is about 5-10 seconds. It does not occur all the time.

It is common to all configured news servers.
It does occur in either a standard or admin mode.
The presence of the router or a direct connect to the cable modem does not make a
difference.

The usual 'tweaks' don't seem to have an impact(e.g. compact, reset, empty tif, cleanup,
defrag. Nor does disabling the resident security applications - AV(Avast),
Firewall(Windows), malware (Defender)], UAC or Windows Updates.

Same problem on two separate machines, both with Windows Ultimate(one in dual boot, the
other the only o/s).

All other installed applications run without any delays whatsoever including, IE7, Outlook
03 and 07 in all forms of use in a multitasking environment with or without Windows Mail
open and inherent Windows mail slowness.

A view in task manager performance shows Windows Mail spiking at 90-95% CPU usage for the
duration of the delay when it does occur. When this 'slowness' does not occur, cpu peaks no
higher than 10-15% but drops off to marginal numbers almost immediately. Physical Ram is
stable regardless of the occurrence at approx 20% of the total 2GB, The page file usage is
less than than 1/5 of the total Windows managed and created size.

As near as I can tell it is only unique to Windows Mail

As always any discussion or suggestions are always welcome.

...winston
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G

Gary VanderMolen

So the slowness you're experiencing cannot be blamed on an excessive
number of contacts in the Contacts list. I have no idea what could be
causing that slowness problem. I can't duplicate the issue.

Gary VanderMolen

...winston said:
Gary,
Thanks' for responding.
Contacts ? In Windows Mail about two dozen. Outlook 07 is my default mail
application. It has 63.

If your thinking of the address book auto complete address when composing
option..I thought that might be an issue even if the quantity of contacts
was minimal, and disabled that feature..no impact.
Though, that shouldn't be at play when clicking on a newsgroup message for
opening in a separate Window or preview pane or already read and cached.

..winston

Gary VanderMolen said:
How many Contacts do you have?

Gary VanderMolen

...winston said:
Similar to a few others reporting slowness in creating messages in
Windows Mail, I also see this delay in loading/displaying/replying to
newsgroup messages. It does not matter whether the email or news messages
have been read or reread.
The delay is about 5-10 seconds. It does not occur all the time.

It is common to all configured news servers.
It does occur in either a standard or admin mode.
The presence of the router or a direct connect to the cable modem does
not make a difference.

The usual 'tweaks' don't seem to have an impact(e.g. compact, reset,
empty tif, cleanup, defrag. Nor does disabling the resident security
applications - AV(Avast), Firewall(Windows), malware (Defender)], UAC or
Windows Updates.

Same problem on two separate machines, both with Windows Ultimate(one in
dual boot, the other the only o/s).

All other installed applications run without any delays whatsoever
including, IE7, Outlook 03 and 07 in all forms of use in a multitasking
environment with or without Windows Mail open and inherent Windows mail
slowness.

A view in task manager performance shows Windows Mail spiking at 90-95%
CPU usage for the duration of the delay when it does occur. When this
'slowness' does not occur, cpu peaks no higher than 10-15% but drops off
to marginal numbers almost immediately. Physical Ram is stable regardless
of the occurrence at approx 20% of the total 2GB, The page file usage is
less than than 1/5 of the total Windows managed and created size.

As near as I can tell it is only unique to Windows Mail

As always any discussion or suggestions are always welcome.

...winston
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Mickey Segal

I have 1460 contacts and I see slowness in the following situations:
1. Clicking the toolbar "check names" button or sending an email without
having clicked "check names".
2. Opening the Contacts folder and trying to sort on last names.

I don't see Windows Mail as being any slower on newsgroups; the only
newsgroup problem I have is the known issue about needing to scroll up to
see the newest message if there are a lot of new messages.
 
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...winston

Thanks Michael.

Agreed..If Windows Mail is open for some period of time, the delay
eventually disappears.

Will you try something at my request ?

The next time you open Windows Mail and prior to accessing anything else
type Control Shift L to open the Calendar, then close it. See if it improves
the situation.

..winston



MICHAEL said:
Hey, Winston.

I've been experiencing this same problem for awhile now.
Like you, I've tried numerous things, but the problem continues.
However, the delay problem disappears after having WinMail
open for awhile. If I close WinMail and then open back up,
the delay is there again.

I also use Outlook 2007 as my default email client on this
laptop. I was using Outlook 2003, just recently decided I
like Office 2007 enough to use it full-time.

If you get any ideas or figure it out, please reply to the
newsgroup and let us know.

Thanks.

-Michael

...winston said:
Gary,
Thanks' for responding.
Contacts ? In Windows Mail about two dozen. Outlook 07 is my default mail
application. It has 63.

If your thinking of the address book auto complete address when composing
option..I thought that might be an issue even if the quantity of contacts
was minimal, and disabled that feature..no impact.
Though, that shouldn't be at play when clicking on a newsgroup message
for opening in a separate Window or preview pane or already read and
cached.

..winston

Gary VanderMolen said:
How many Contacts do you have?

Gary VanderMolen

Similar to a few others reporting slowness in creating messages in
Windows Mail, I also see this delay in loading/displaying/replying to
newsgroup messages. It does not matter whether the email or news
messages have been read or reread.
The delay is about 5-10 seconds. It does not occur all the time.

It is common to all configured news servers.
It does occur in either a standard or admin mode.
The presence of the router or a direct connect to the cable modem does
not make a difference.

The usual 'tweaks' don't seem to have an impact(e.g. compact, reset,
empty tif, cleanup, defrag. Nor does disabling the resident security
applications - AV(Avast), Firewall(Windows), malware (Defender)], UAC
or Windows Updates.

Same problem on two separate machines, both with Windows Ultimate(one
in dual boot, the other the only o/s).

All other installed applications run without any delays whatsoever
including, IE7, Outlook 03 and 07 in all forms of use in a multitasking
environment with or without Windows Mail open and inherent Windows mail
slowness.

A view in task manager performance shows Windows Mail spiking at 90-95%
CPU usage for the duration of the delay when it does occur. When this
'slowness' does not occur, cpu peaks no higher than 10-15% but drops
off to marginal numbers almost immediately. Physical Ram is stable
regardless of the occurrence at approx 20% of the total 2GB, The page
file usage is less than than 1/5 of the total Windows managed and
created size.

As near as I can tell it is only unique to Windows Mail

As always any discussion or suggestions are always welcome.

...winston
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Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
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...winston

Hello Steve...
You're welcome.
It's always nice to hear from you.

Opening the Windows Mail Calendar(WM\Tools\Calendar or Ctrl-Shift-L) then
closing it seems to eliminate the delay on these two machines..waiting for
other people to test it...lol..or it could be a wild goose chase
coincidence.

If it is related, not sure why...could be a handshaking or background
process. Very few user configurable options are available, let alone any
that seem to directly tell these apps to communicate, unless they are found
elsewhere in Vista(I've not looked yet) instead of WM or the Windows
Calendar.

..winston

Steve Cochran said:
That's very useful feedback.

steve

...winston said:
Similar to a few others reporting slowness in creating messages in
Windows Mail, I also see this delay in loading/displaying/replying to
newsgroup messages. It does not matter whether the email or news messages
have been read or reread.
The delay is about 5-10 seconds. It does not occur all the time.

It is common to all configured news servers.
It does occur in either a standard or admin mode.
The presence of the router or a direct connect to the cable modem does
not make a difference.

The usual 'tweaks' don't seem to have an impact(e.g. compact, reset,
empty tif, cleanup, defrag. Nor does disabling the resident security
applications - AV(Avast), Firewall(Windows), malware (Defender)], UAC or
Windows Updates.

Same problem on two separate machines, both with Windows Ultimate(one in
dual boot, the other the only o/s).

All other installed applications run without any delays whatsoever
including, IE7, Outlook 03 and 07 in all forms of use in a multitasking
environment with or without Windows Mail open and inherent Windows mail
slowness.

A view in task manager performance shows Windows Mail spiking at 90-95%
CPU usage for the duration of the delay when it does occur. When this
'slowness' does not occur, cpu peaks no higher than 10-15% but drops off
to marginal numbers almost immediately. Physical Ram is stable regardless
of the occurrence at approx 20% of the total 2GB, The page file usage is
less than than 1/5 of the total Windows managed and created size.

As near as I can tell it is only unique to Windows Mail

As always any discussion or suggestions are always welcome.

...winston
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S

Steve Cochran

Thanks again for the feedback. Very weird.

steve

...winston said:
Hello Steve...
You're welcome.
It's always nice to hear from you.

Opening the Windows Mail Calendar(WM\Tools\Calendar or Ctrl-Shift-L) then
closing it seems to eliminate the delay on these two machines..waiting for
other people to test it...lol..or it could be a wild goose chase
coincidence.

If it is related, not sure why...could be a handshaking or background
process. Very few user configurable options are available, let alone any
that seem to directly tell these apps to communicate, unless they are
found elsewhere in Vista(I've not looked yet) instead of WM or the Windows
Calendar.

..winston

Steve Cochran said:
That's very useful feedback.

steve

...winston said:
Similar to a few others reporting slowness in creating messages in
Windows Mail, I also see this delay in loading/displaying/replying to
newsgroup messages. It does not matter whether the email or news
messages have been read or reread.
The delay is about 5-10 seconds. It does not occur all the time.

It is common to all configured news servers.
It does occur in either a standard or admin mode.
The presence of the router or a direct connect to the cable modem does
not make a difference.

The usual 'tweaks' don't seem to have an impact(e.g. compact, reset,
empty tif, cleanup, defrag. Nor does disabling the resident security
applications - AV(Avast), Firewall(Windows), malware (Defender)], UAC or
Windows Updates.

Same problem on two separate machines, both with Windows Ultimate(one in
dual boot, the other the only o/s).

All other installed applications run without any delays whatsoever
including, IE7, Outlook 03 and 07 in all forms of use in a multitasking
environment with or without Windows Mail open and inherent Windows mail
slowness.

A view in task manager performance shows Windows Mail spiking at 90-95%
CPU usage for the duration of the delay when it does occur. When this
'slowness' does not occur, cpu peaks no higher than 10-15% but drops off
to marginal numbers almost immediately. Physical Ram is stable
regardless of the occurrence at approx 20% of the total 2GB, The page
file usage is less than than 1/5 of the total Windows managed and
created size.

As near as I can tell it is only unique to Windows Mail

As always any discussion or suggestions are always welcome.

...winston
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M

MICHAEL

Wow! Winston, I'm lost for words. Yes, opening
up Calendar right after opening WinMail does improve
the situation. The compose and reply windows open
up instantly, and are useable instantly. Amazing.

Why in the world would that have anything to do with
the performance? Baffling, weird, and makes no sense.

All I can say is, thank you! This has been driving me nuts
for the longest time. Even though I don't know the why,
at least, I now know how to "fix" it without having to wait
30 minutes to an hour for it to fix itself.

Along with using ctrl-shift-L, using Tools>Windows Calendar
from within WinMail also works.

Once again, thank you.

Take care,

Michael


...winston said:
Thanks Michael.

Agreed..If Windows Mail is open for some period of time, the delay eventually disappears.

Will you try something at my request ?

The next time you open Windows Mail and prior to accessing anything else type Control Shift L
to open the Calendar, then close it. See if it improves the situation.

..winston



MICHAEL said:
Hey, Winston.

I've been experiencing this same problem for awhile now.
Like you, I've tried numerous things, but the problem continues.
However, the delay problem disappears after having WinMail
open for awhile. If I close WinMail and then open back up,
the delay is there again.

I also use Outlook 2007 as my default email client on this
laptop. I was using Outlook 2003, just recently decided I
like Office 2007 enough to use it full-time.

If you get any ideas or figure it out, please reply to the
newsgroup and let us know.

Thanks.

-Michael

...winston said:
Gary,
Thanks' for responding.
Contacts ? In Windows Mail about two dozen. Outlook 07 is my default mail
application. It has 63.

If your thinking of the address book auto complete address when composing
option..I thought that might be an issue even if the quantity of contacts
was minimal, and disabled that feature..no impact.
Though, that shouldn't be at play when clicking on a newsgroup message
for opening in a separate Window or preview pane or already read and
cached.

..winston

How many Contacts do you have?

Gary VanderMolen

Similar to a few others reporting slowness in creating messages in
Windows Mail, I also see this delay in loading/displaying/replying to
newsgroup messages. It does not matter whether the email or news
messages have been read or reread.
The delay is about 5-10 seconds. It does not occur all the time.

It is common to all configured news servers.
It does occur in either a standard or admin mode.
The presence of the router or a direct connect to the cable modem does
not make a difference.

The usual 'tweaks' don't seem to have an impact(e.g. compact, reset,
empty tif, cleanup, defrag. Nor does disabling the resident security
applications - AV(Avast), Firewall(Windows), malware (Defender)], UAC
or Windows Updates.

Same problem on two separate machines, both with Windows Ultimate(one
in dual boot, the other the only o/s).

All other installed applications run without any delays whatsoever
including, IE7, Outlook 03 and 07 in all forms of use in a multitasking
environment with or without Windows Mail open and inherent Windows mail
slowness.

A view in task manager performance shows Windows Mail spiking at 90-95%
CPU usage for the duration of the delay when it does occur. When this
'slowness' does not occur, cpu peaks no higher than 10-15% but drops
off to marginal numbers almost immediately. Physical Ram is stable
regardless of the occurrence at approx 20% of the total 2GB, The page
file usage is less than than 1/5 of the total Windows managed and
created size.

As near as I can tell it is only unique to Windows Mail

As always any discussion or suggestions are always welcome.

...winston
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
M

MICHAEL

...winston said:
Hello Steve...
You're welcome.
It's always nice to hear from you.

Opening the Windows Mail Calendar(WM\Tools\Calendar or Ctrl-Shift-L) then closing it seems to
eliminate the delay on these two machines..waiting for other people to test it...lol..or it
could be a wild goose chase coincidence.
Click to expand...

I replied to your other post. I just wanted to say, it was not a
wild goose chase!

Absolutely amazing you discovered this. I had tried everything,
at least I thought I did.

I sure would like to know the "why".


Take care,

Michael

If it is related, not sure why...could be a handshaking or background process. Very few user
configurable options are available, let alone any that seem to directly tell these apps to
communicate, unless they are found elsewhere in Vista(I've not looked yet) instead of WM or
the Windows Calendar.

..winston

Steve Cochran said:
That's very useful feedback.

steve

...winston said:
Similar to a few others reporting slowness in creating messages in Windows Mail, I also see
this delay in loading/displaying/replying to newsgroup messages. It does not matter whether
the email or news messages have been read or reread.
The delay is about 5-10 seconds. It does not occur all the time.

It is common to all configured news servers.
It does occur in either a standard or admin mode.
The presence of the router or a direct connect to the cable modem does not make a
difference.

The usual 'tweaks' don't seem to have an impact(e.g. compact, reset, empty tif, cleanup,
defrag. Nor does disabling the resident security applications - AV(Avast),
Firewall(Windows), malware (Defender)], UAC or Windows Updates.

Same problem on two separate machines, both with Windows Ultimate(one in dual boot, the
other the only o/s).

All other installed applications run without any delays whatsoever including, IE7, Outlook
03 and 07 in all forms of use in a multitasking environment with or without Windows Mail
open and inherent Windows mail slowness.

A view in task manager performance shows Windows Mail spiking at 90-95% CPU usage for the
duration of the delay when it does occur. When this 'slowness' does not occur, cpu peaks no
higher than 10-15% but drops off to marginal numbers almost immediately. Physical Ram is
stable regardless of the occurrence at approx 20% of the total 2GB, The page file usage is
less than than 1/5 of the total Windows managed and created size.

As near as I can tell it is only unique to Windows Mail

As always any discussion or suggestions are always welcome.

...winston
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
W

...winston

: Wow! Winston, I'm lost for words. Yes, opening
: up Calendar right after opening WinMail does improve
: the situation. The compose and reply windows open
: up instantly, and are useable instantly. Amazing.
:
: Why in the world would that have anything to do with
: the performance? Baffling, weird, and makes no sense.
:
: All I can say is, thank you! This has been driving me nuts
: for the longest time. Even though I don't know the why,
: at least, I now know how to "fix" it without having to wait
: 30 minutes to an hour for it to fix itself.
:
: Along with using ctrl-shift-L, using Tools>Windows Calendar
: from within WinMail also works.
:
: Once again, thank you.
:-----

You're welcome Michael.
Why ?...still don't know the relationship whether due to Vista, Windows Mail, Calendar, some user setting, a handshake, background etc..
After turning every conceivable option off in Windows an Vista, the Calendar was one the only item left in WM that I hadn't clicked.

You can also add Windows Calendar to the WM tool bar if not present by clicking on the tool bar then customize for a quicker mouse approach.
...w
 
M

MICHAEL

: All I can say is, thank you! This has been driving me nuts
: for the longest time. Even though I don't know the why,
: at least, I now know how to "fix" it without having to wait
: 30 minutes to an hour for it to fix itself.
:
: Along with using ctrl-shift-L, using Tools>Windows Calendar
: from within WinMail also works.
:
: Once again, thank you.
:-----

You're welcome Michael.
Why ?...still don't know the relationship whether due to Vista, Windows Mail, Calendar, some
user setting, a handshake, background etc..
After turning every conceivable option off in Windows an Vista, the Calendar was one the only
item left in WM that I hadn't clicked.

You can also add Windows Calendar to the WM tool bar if not present by clicking on the tool bar
then customize for a quicker mouse approach.
...w
-----------------------------------------

One other good thing- WinMail was constantly jumping up to over
100,000K memory usage. Now, it peaks at about 27,000K and
falls back, depending on what I'm doing. Makes absolutely no sense
to me, be there is obviously some correlation. We both know what we've
seen. Why this only happens to some users is a mystery to me.
Windows Calendar affecting the performance of WinMail, especially the
compose/reply windows, is strange. Some type of interaction between
the two that I am not aware of. Who knows?

Have a great weekend, Winston.


-Michael
 
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...winston

Steve,
Bizarre is right. Another person in another forum also validated it. I
just wish there was something plausible to explain it.

The presence of same would suspect other folks have this symptom and
possibly not even recognize it.

One of these days I'll get around to creating a two new profiles on this
machine(std. and admin) and removing the other accounts to see if it
continues.
...winston
 
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...winston

Thanks..
I did not want to imply the suggestion of doubt. Sorry if it seemed that way. I always like more than a few people to validate something not easily explainable. I learned that lesson along time ago in the Win95 and Msn beta era. We've come a long way since then.

Thanks for passing the information along. Appreciate hearing anything that becomes available to you.

...winston

:I don't doubt you. This is valuable info that I'm passing on.
:
: cheers,
:
: steve
:
: : > Steve,
: > Bizarre is right. Another person in another forum also validated it. I
: > just wish there was something plausible to explain it.
: >
: > The presence of same would suspect other folks have this symptom and
: > possibly not even recognize it.
: >
: > One of these days I'll get around to creating a two new profiles on this
: > machine(std. and admin) and removing the other accounts to see if it
: > continues.
: > ...winston
: >
: > : >> How bizarre.
: >
:
 
M

MICHAEL

I'm going to have to take back what I said about
Windows Mail using less memory. When in the
vista.general group, WinMail still jumps to over 100,000K.
In the vista.mail newsgroup, memory usage drops to
about 35,000K. Obviously, the newsgroups in which you
have downloaded a lot of posts, will be the ones that cause
memory consumption to jump.


-Michael

Thanks..
I did not want to imply the suggestion of doubt. Sorry if it seemed that way. I always like
more than a few people to validate something not easily explainable. I learned that lesson
along time ago in the Win95 and Msn beta era. We've come a long way since then.

Thanks for passing the information along. Appreciate hearing anything that becomes available
to you.

...winston

:I don't doubt you. This is valuable info that I'm passing on.
:
: cheers,
:
: steve
:
: : > Steve,
: > Bizarre is right. Another person in another forum also validated it. I
: > just wish there was something plausible to explain it.
: >
: > The presence of same would suspect other folks have this symptom and
: > possibly not even recognize it.
: >
: > One of these days I'll get around to creating a two new profiles on this
: > machine(std. and admin) and removing the other accounts to see if it
: > continues.
: > ...winston
: >
: > : >> How bizarre.
: >
:
 

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