Windows Genuine Advantage

[Greg R]

Mike, are you saying you have a discount programs for people on
disability for oses and other software? If so, contact info please. I
live in Indiana.

What if the seller claims they legally bought it but Windows Genuine
Advantage says it not? Who right? I hope Microsoft gives you a
number, so you can prove that the copy is legally bought.

Will I need to change my key on my preinstalled system before I get
can get to windows to update automatically?

Is there a way I can download a patch so I won't have to enter a
number each time I want a download?



Greg R

 

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

Mike, are you saying you have a discount programs for people on
disability for oses and other software? If so, contact info please. I
live in Indiana.

Sorry ?? - if you aer referring to my other reply to Dan - then we as I said
we offer various licensing terms to various classes of users students and
charities being examples of these. We (Microsoft) have also engaged in
various charitable programs over the last few years as regards proving
access to PCs and software to various communities.
I am not aware of any discount programs for people with disabilities - our
licensing options are covered on out web site.

What if the seller claims they legally bought it but Windows Genuine
Advantage says it not? Who right? I hope Microsoft gives you a
number, so you can prove that the copy is legally bought.

If your product fails the WGA test you could ring the support number for
your area and product.

Will I need to change my key on my preinstalled system before I get
can get to windows to update automatically?

Windows Update is currently not effected by WGA. If you have an
invalid/legal/pirate WPA key used on your system today you should endeavour
to make your elf legitimate before you are more impacted then not being give
access to the Downloads site.

Is there a way I can download a patch so I won't have to enter a
number each time I want a download?

What number ?? You do not have to enter any numbers to download if you
system is legitimate. If not you need to go buy a full copy of Windows.


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[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

| >>
| > Like I said, paying customers with genuine copies of Windows are
assumed
| > to
| > be guilty until they can prove their innocence by passing the WGA
test.
| > Not
| > good PR, Microsoft and a PITA. For the crackers and pirates, all WGA
does
| > is
| > provide another cracking challenge and so the pissing contest
continues
| > with
| > paying customers caught in the crossfire.
| > --
|
| No one is being assumed of any guilt.

Then why the test? The test, INTRINSICALLY, assumes guilt. If no guilt
were
assumed, there would be no test for those who have activated.

This is not about "guilt" - it is about ensuring that we provide the best
service to our paying customers who legitimacy use Windows. This process
like WPA has become necessary because of casual and other forms of piracy.

| A legitimate user can use Windows download without any issues - where is
the
| implication of assumed guilt in that ?

The test, obviously.

See answer above - this is not about concepts of guilt.

| They click a button and they get there download.

If they pass the test. How do we know that real MS XP software will pass
the
test? And, if it doesn't, what recourse does the paying customer have to
PROVE HIS OR HER INNOCENCE?

We are working to ensure that only illegitimate users are impacted. As we
expand WGA we will see if there are cases of false readings on legitimacy -
and these users will contact their local support for assistance - if this
occurs. Hence the roll out program to test this just as we did with WPA
prior going global with it.

| Does having a key to your front door assume you are guilty of not having
a
| right of access to your own home ? - no it ensures that only persons you
| want to allow access have access and "helps" to keep the other out.

Bad analogy. I already opened the door with the activation key and, lo and
behold, there is another door. Once the crackers get around that door,
will
there be another ad infinitum?

Irrespective of the analogy WGA is to ensure that we provide the best
support to those that pay for our product.
And yes the pirates who brought WPA and now WGA upon you will no doubt be
working to defeat this and we will response with according measure, that is
unfortunately the world we live in today with software piracy.

|
|
| --
|
| Regards,
|
| Mike
| --
| Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

Like I said, the only ones who will suffer from this are paying customers,
especially non techie paying customers. The crackers will get around it.
Is
there anything MS has done that you *don't* support?

Paying customers will not be impacted as the legitimate users will not see
anything - only those uses of pirate/illegitimate software will be impacted.

I fail to understand you last question. We obviously disagree on the use of
technologies such as WPA and WGA to ensure that legitimate users are give
access to product and services etc that they pay for while endeavouring to
restrict those who would steal/pirate software. I see no problem personally
supporting WPA and WGA since I pay for all my software that I use.

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[Alias]

| > Is there a way I can download a patch so I won't have to enter a
| > number each time I want a download?
| >
|
| What number ?? You do not have to enter any numbers to download if you
| system is legitimate. If not you need to go buy a full copy of Windows.
|
|
| --
|
| Regards,
|
| Mike
| --
| Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

And you work for Microsoft??? LOL! You can either let MS install a program
on your computer to see if your XP is legit or you can enter your Product
Key or you can answer three questions. In ALL cases, MS is the judge and you
are the defendant and it really sucks.

From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6868504/

" Customers who visit the manual Windows Update site will be asked to prove
that their copies of Windows are legitimate [Alias's note: guilty until
proven innocent] by allowing Microsoft's system to automatically run a
check, or by providing a *****product identification number*****. Users who
have lost that number will be asked three basic questions, and if they are
deemed to be acting in good faith they will be given a free replacement key.
"

It would seem to me that if you really work for MS you would know about this
.... and notice it says "if they are ***deemed*** acting in good faith". And
if they are deemed not to be acting in good faith by some guy in India who
is in a bad mood???

 

[Leythos]

See reply above. It does assume you have a pirated version until you prove
otherwise with the test, the number or the three questions.

Actually, there is nothing in the purchase of XP that entitles you to any
updates or patches. In fact, it's just nice of MS to provide them without
a support contract.

The assumptions are yours.

 

[Alias]

| | >
| > | >>
| > | > Like I said, paying customers with genuine copies of Windows are
| > assumed
| > | > to
| > | > be guilty until they can prove their innocence by passing the WGA
| > test.
| > | > Not
| > | > good PR, Microsoft and a PITA. For the crackers and pirates, all WGA
| > does
| > | > is
| > | > provide another cracking challenge and so the pissing contest
| > continues
| > | > with
| > | > paying customers caught in the crossfire.
| > | > --
| > |
| > | No one is being assumed of any guilt.
| >
| > Then why the test? The test, INTRINSICALLY, assumes guilt. If no guilt
| > were
| > assumed, there would be no test for those who have activated.
| >
|
| This is not about "guilt" - it is about ensuring that we provide the best
| service to our paying customers who legitimacy use Windows. This process
| like WPA has become necessary because of casual and other forms of piracy.

OK, it assumes your version is pirated until you prove otherwise, your
semantic spin nothwithstanding.

|
| > | A legitimate user can use Windows download without any issues - where
is
| > the
| > | implication of assumed guilt in that ?
| >
| > The test, obviously.
| >
|
| See answer above - this is not about concepts of guilt.

See reply above. It does assume you have a pirated version until you prove
otherwise with the test, the number or the three questions.
|
| > | They click a button and they get there download.
| >
| > If they pass the test. How do we know that real MS XP software will pass
| > the
| > test? And, if it doesn't, what recourse does the paying customer have to
| > PROVE HIS OR HER INNOCENCE?
| >
| We are working to ensure that only illegitimate users are impacted.

How comforting. And if your work doesn't work? As I have pointed out,
legitimate users will be impacted.

As we
| expand WGA we will see if there are cases of false readings on
legitimacy -
| and these users will contact their local support for assistance - if this
| occurs. Hence the roll out program to test this just as we did with WPA
| prior going global with it.

Testing to see if it works or not does not change the fact that one has to
prove that one has a legit copy before one can download. Sooo, it is assumed
that you don't have a legit copy.
|
| > | Does having a key to your front door assume you are guilty of not
having
| > a
| > | right of access to your own home ? - no it ensures that only persons
you
| > | want to allow access have access and "helps" to keep the other out.
| >
| > Bad analogy. I already opened the door with the activation key and, lo
and
| > behold, there is another door. Once the crackers get around that door,
| > will
| > there be another ad infinitum?
|
| Irrespective of the analogy WGA is to ensure that we provide the best
| support to those that pay for our product.

No, it's to ensure that MS only gives downloads to legit copies. Concern for
the customer is spin and not a fact.

| And yes the pirates who brought WPA and now WGA upon you will no doubt be
| working to defeat this and we will response with according measure, that
is
| unfortunately the world we live in today with software piracy.

No, that is MS' problem and should not be fluffed off on paying customers. I
am testing Linux as we speak on a test computer due to this crap and I don't
think I will be the only one ... I am also seriously considering buying a
Mini Mac.
|
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > |
| > | Regards,
| > |
| > | Mike
| > | --
| > | Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
| >
| > Like I said, the only ones who will suffer from this are paying
customers,
| > especially non techie paying customers. The crackers will get around it.
| > Is
| > there anything MS has done that you *don't* support?
|
| Paying customers will not be impacted as the legitimate users will not see
| anything - only those uses of pirate/illegitimate software will be
impacted.

Yes, paying customers have to go through yet another activation trip and
they will be able to "see" it when they go to WU. Crackers won't have to do
that.

| I fail to understand you last question. We obviously disagree on the use
of
| technologies such as WPA and WGA to ensure that legitimate users are give
| access to product and services etc that they pay for while endeavouring to
| restrict those who would steal/pirate software. I see no problem
personally
| supporting WPA and WGA since I pay for all my software that I use.

Of course not, you work for MS and they can do no wrong in your eyes and all
of your posts reflect that bias. I pay for all my software whether I use it
or not.

 

[Alias]

| On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:48:19 +0100, Alias wrote:
|
| > See reply above. It does assume you have a pirated version until you
prove
| > otherwise with the test, the number or the three questions.
|
| Actually, there is nothing in the purchase of XP that entitles you to any
| updates or patches. In fact, it's just nice of MS to provide them without
| a support contract.

Really? They make a product that isn't complete and you tell me I can't
expect them to fix a product that is defective?

| The assumptions are yours.

No, they are common sense and logic, something you seemed to have lost while
you were busy sticking your nose of MS' ass. But I'm game, explain to
everyone how having to prove your copy is legit doesn't assume it isn't.

Can you do it?????????

 

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

| > Is there a way I can download a patch so I won't have to enter a
| > number each time I want a download?
| >
|
| What number ?? You do not have to enter any numbers to download if you
| system is legitimate. If not you need to go buy a full copy of Windows.
|
|
| --
|
| Regards,
|
| Mike
| --
| Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

And you work for Microsoft??? LOL! You can either let MS install a program
on your computer to see if your XP is legit or you can enter your Product
Key or you can answer three questions. In ALL cases, MS is the judge and
you
are the defendant and it really sucks.

Exactly - why would you bother continuously having to retype in a number
when we provide you the option of just downloading the control and your
done.
Yes we are the judge - who else could it be - we know what our software
looks like and we know how to detect if it is legitimate.



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| > Is there a way I can download a patch so I won't have to enter a
| > number each time I want a download?
| >
|
| What number ?? You do not have to enter any numbers to download if you
| system is legitimate. If not you need to go buy a full copy of Windows.
|
|
| --
|
| Regards,
|
| Mike
| --
| Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

And you work for Microsoft??? LOL! You can either let MS install a program
on your computer to see if your XP is legit or you can enter your Product
Key or you can answer three questions. In ALL cases, MS is the judge and
you
are the defendant and it really sucks.

From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6868504/

" Customers who visit the manual Windows Update site will be asked to
prove
that their copies of Windows are legitimate [Alias's note: guilty until
proven innocent] by allowing Microsoft's system to automatically run a
check, or by providing a *****product identification number*****. Users
who
have lost that number will be asked three basic questions, and if they are
deemed to be acting in good faith they will be given a free replacement
key.
"

It would seem to me that if you really work for MS you would know about
this
... and notice it says "if they are ***deemed*** acting in good faith".
And
if they are deemed not to be acting in good faith by some guy in India who
is in a bad mood???
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[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

WGA has realistically no impact to legitimate end users.
Discussion of assumed guilt or guilty until proven otherwise is pointless.
The only one who will see any significant impact are those who use pirated
software.
If people did not pirate software we would not be forced to take measures
to ensure only those paying customers get the downloads they want.
Maybe you should direct your efforts at those pirates instead, as it is them
that have forced this on you.

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[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

| On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:48:19 +0100, Alias wrote:
|
| > See reply above. It does assume you have a pirated version until you
prove
| > otherwise with the test, the number or the three questions.
|
| Actually, there is nothing in the purchase of XP that entitles you to
any
| updates or patches. In fact, it's just nice of MS to provide them
without
| a support contract.

Really? They make a product that isn't complete and you tell me I can't
expect them to fix a product that is defective?

We will fix, patch and provide enhancements to a product for those that paid
for it.

| The assumptions are yours.

No, they are common sense and logic, something you seemed to have lost
while
you were busy sticking your nose of MS' ass. But I'm game, explain to
everyone how having to prove your copy is legit doesn't assume it isn't.

Can you do it?????????

Your copy is in an unknown state until you provide evidence one way or the
other- this is not an assumption of any specifc state just the clarification
of an unknown. Look at a PC and ask your self - is it legitimate or not.
You actually cannot make any statement either way - if you choose to assume
one position or the other then you may be wrong. If you take a neutral
position and then clarify the state you will know precisely. We choose to
not assume anything and believe that a simple valid or not, will do to
clarify the position.

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[Leythos]

I don't need to. I know I forked over the money and paid for it. Now you
want me to fork over my time and install a program on my computer. What's
next?

You are free to keep your machine in the same state it was when you bought
Windows XP - you don't have to apply ANY updates or service patches. The
choice to updates is your choice. MS is not forcing you to do anything
unless you want FREE things from them.

If you want the updates then you need to agree to them, get use to it,
this is not a MS issue, many vendors do this - go complain in their groups
too.

 

[Alias]

| | >
| >
| > | > Is there a way I can download a patch so I won't have to enter a
| > | > number each time I want a download?
| > | >
| > |
| > | What number ?? You do not have to enter any numbers to download if you
| > | system is legitimate. If not you need to go buy a full copy of
Windows.
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > |
| > | Regards,
| > |
| > | Mike
| > | --
| > | Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
| >
| > And you work for Microsoft??? LOL! You can either let MS install a
program
| > on your computer to see if your XP is legit or you can enter your
Product
| > Key or you can answer three questions. In ALL cases, MS is the judge and
| > you
| > are the defendant and it really sucks.
|
| Exactly -

Glad to see you agree that it sucks. About time.

| why would you bother continuously having to retype in a number
| when we provide you the option of just downloading the control and your
| done.

Not wanting programs on my computer that are not necessary, obviously.

| Yes we are the judge - who else could it be - we know what our software
| looks like and we know how to detect if it is legitimate.
| --
| Regards,
|
| Mike
| --
| Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

Thanks for confirming my points, even if you don't even realize you did it.

 

[Alias]

| | >
| > | > | On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:48:19 +0100, Alias wrote:
| > |
| > | > See reply above. It does assume you have a pirated version until you
| > prove
| > | > otherwise with the test, the number or the three questions.
| > |
| > | Actually, there is nothing in the purchase of XP that entitles you to
| > any
| > | updates or patches. In fact, it's just nice of MS to provide them
| > without
| > | a support contract.
| >
| > Really? They make a product that isn't complete and you tell me I can't
| > expect them to fix a product that is defective?
| >
|
| We will fix, patch and provide enhancements to a product for those that
paid
| for it.

And prove it. I feel I proved it when I forked over the money.
|
| > | The assumptions are yours.
| >
| > No, they are common sense and logic, something you seemed to have lost
| > while
| > you were busy sticking your nose of MS' ass. But I'm game, explain to
| > everyone how having to prove your copy is legit doesn't assume it isn't.
| >
| > Can you do it?????????
| >
| > --
| > Alias
|
| Your copy is in an unknown state until you provide evidence one way or the
| other- this is not an assumption of any specifc state just the
clarification
| of an unknown.

I proved it when I forked over the money to pay for it.

| Look at a PC and ask your self - is it legitimate or not.

I don't need to. I know I forked over the money and paid for it. Now you
want me to fork over my time and install a program on my computer. What's
next?

| You actually cannot make any statement either way - if you choose to
assume
| one position or the other then you may be wrong. If you take a neutral
| position and then clarify the state you will know precisely. We choose to
| not assume anything and believe that a simple valid or not, will do to
| clarify the position.
|
| --
|
| Regards,
|
| Mike
| --
| Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]

MS is assuming it isn't legit until proven otherwise, no matter how you want
to spin it and, trust me, this will not be good for MS. Most people will
think like I do and start considering a Mini Mac
|
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Just like the spin about this latest test of one's software; "no warranties
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|
| | >
| > | > | On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 18:48:19 +0100, Alias wrote:
| > |
| > | > See reply above. It does assume you have a pirated version until you
| > prove
| > | > otherwise with the test, the number or the three questions.
| > |
| > | Actually, there is nothing in the purchase of XP that entitles you to
| > any
| > | updates or patches. In fact, it's just nice of MS to provide them
| > without
| > | a support contract.
| >
| > Really? They make a product that isn't complete and you tell me I can't
| > expect them to fix a product that is defective?
| >
| > | The assumptions are yours.
| >
| > No, they are common sense and logic, something you seemed to have lost
| > while
| > you were busy sticking your nose of MS' ass. But I'm game, explain to
| > everyone how having to prove your copy is legit doesn't assume it isn't.
| >
| > Can you do it?????????
| >
| > --
| > Alias
| >
| > Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email me.
| > Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Alias]

| On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:42:33 +0100, Alias wrote:
|
| > I don't need to. I know I forked over the money and paid for it. Now you
| > want me to fork over my time and install a program on my computer.
What's
| > next?
|
| You are free to keep your machine in the same state it was when you bought
| Windows XP - you don't have to apply ANY updates or service patches. The
| choice to updates is your choice. MS is not forcing you to do anything
| unless you want FREE things from them.
|
| If you want the updates then you need to agree to them, get use to it,
| this is not a MS issue, many vendors do this - go complain in their groups
| too.

I paid for XP. If there are updates, I paid for those too, just like any
other software or drivers for hardware for that matter. Jesus you guys are
full of spin. This will be a PR disaster and Apple must be licking its
chops. Do you really think the Mini Mac being released the same time as this
reactivation crap is a coincidence!?

 

[Leythos]

| On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:42:33 +0100, Alias wrote:
|
| > I don't need to. I know I forked over the money and paid for it. Now you
| > want me to fork over my time and install a program on my computer.
What's
| > next?
|
| You are free to keep your machine in the same state it was when you bought
| Windows XP - you don't have to apply ANY updates or service patches. The
| choice to updates is your choice. MS is not forcing you to do anything
| unless you want FREE things from them.
|
| If you want the updates then you need to agree to them, get use to it,
| this is not a MS issue, many vendors do this - go complain in their groups
| too.

I paid for XP.

Sort of - you paid for a license that allows you to USE, not own XP.

If there are updates, I paid for those too, just like any
other software or drivers for hardware for that matter.

You didn't pay for updates, you get them at the whim of the vendor.

Jesus you guys are
full of spin. This will be a PR disaster and Apple must be licking its
chops. Do you really think the Mini Mac being released the same time as this
reactivation crap is a coincidence!?

Apple is not in competition with Windows any more - they are now in
competition with the Linux OS (or did you miss that Apple OS/X is a
version of BSD).

Activation is only a problem for thieves, ethical people don't have any
issues with it.

 

[Mike Brannigan [MSFT]]

I confirmed nothing of your opinions etc.
WGA is a total non issue to legitimate users.

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[Alias]

| On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:49:14 +0100, Alias wrote:
|
| >
| >
| > | On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:42:33 +0100, Alias wrote:
| > |
| > | > I don't need to. I know I forked over the money and paid for it. Now
you
| > | > want me to fork over my time and install a program on my computer.
| > What's
| > | > next?
| > |
| > | You are free to keep your machine in the same state it was when you
bought
| > | Windows XP - you don't have to apply ANY updates or service patches.
The
| > | choice to updates is your choice. MS is not forcing you to do anything
| > | unless you want FREE things from them.
| > |
| > | If you want the updates then you need to agree to them, get use to it,
| > | this is not a MS issue, many vendors do this - go complain in their
groups
| > | too.
| >
| > I paid for XP.
|
| Sort of - you paid for a license that allows you to USE, not own XP.

I know, another of my pet peeves.
|
| > If there are updates, I paid for those too, just like any
| > other software or drivers for hardware for that matter.
|
| You didn't pay for updates, you get them at the whim of the vendor.

How snotty of them -- and you. Money back guarantee, eh? Was this decision
made in the PR department? Sales?
|
| > Jesus you guys are
| > full of spin. This will be a PR disaster and Apple must be licking its
| > chops. Do you really think the Mini Mac being released the same time as
this
| > reactivation crap is a coincidence!?
|
| Apple is not in competition with Windows any more - they are now in
| competition with the Linux OS (or did you miss that Apple OS/X is a
| version of BSD).

The Mini Mac is pretty cool and priced right. You may (gasp!) be wrong.

|
| Activation is only a problem for thieves, ethical people don't have any
| issues with it.

You mean you don't have an issue with it. I pay for software and, sir, I do
have an issue with it. It's a PITA, period. Ethics have nothing to do with
it that is nothing but a red herring. We are talking about PAYING customers
having a problem with it NOT thieves.
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[Tom Penharston]

Greg R., thanks for drawing attention back to my original post.

Mike Brannigan MSFT, can you respond to the original post? Once the
initiative takes effect can we download updates to a safe machine and
distribute executable files (off-line) to client computers? What if
the client computers were certified by the Windows Genuine Advantage
tool (whatever you call it) previously?

 

[Leythos]

I am a legitimate user and it's obviously an issue with me and many people I
know.

We service many hundreds of systems, none of their owners are concerned,
and neither am I. I own more than 60 licenses of XP myself and it doesn't
even concern me - and I make a living with this stuff. Maybe you're just
reading more into it than you need to.

It's a total non issue to MS apologists only. I know a little about
computers and it bothers me. Imagine when this trip hits the average
computer user. They will be confused, angry, and many will not update for
fear that the legal XP they bought might not pass the test due to some
technical error

Actually, most users won't be confused or angry and will just merrily
click their way through it without a concern at all. It's the ones that
wear the tin-foil hats and the pirates that get all concerned and angry.

Since you obviously don't like the way that MS is taking THEIR product,
suck it up and choose to go the non-MS route, or don't you like a totally
free OS and apps?

 

[Alias]

|I confirmed nothing of your opinions etc.

Oh, when you typed "exactly", what did you mean?

| WGA is a total non issue to legitimate users.

I am a legitimate user and it's obviously an issue with me and many people I
know. It's a total non issue to MS apologists only. I know a little about
computers and it bothers me. Imagine when this trip hits the average
computer user. They will be confused, angry, and many will not update for
fear that the legal XP they bought might not pass the test due to some
technical error and they need their computer to do other things than pass an
MS test to determine if they are thieves or not. Now don't tell me that MS
doesn't make technical errors as MS is constantly "improving" their product
to patch its flaws.
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| | >
| > | > | | > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > Is there a way I can download a patch so I won't have to enter a
| > | > | > number each time I want a download?
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | What number ?? You do not have to enter any numbers to download if
| > you
| > | > | system is legitimate. If not you need to go buy a full copy of
| > Windows.
| > | > |
| > | > |
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| > | > | Regards,
| > | > |
| > | > | Mike
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| > | > | Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
| > | >
| > | > And you work for Microsoft??? LOL! You can either let MS install a
| > program
| > | > on your computer to see if your XP is legit or you can enter your
| > Product
| > | > Key or you can answer three questions. In ALL cases, MS is the judge
| > and
| > | > you
| > | > are the defendant and it really sucks.
| > |
| > | Exactly -
| >
| > Glad to see you agree that it sucks. About time.
| >
| > | why would you bother continuously having to retype in a number
| > | when we provide you the option of just downloading the control and
your
| > | done.
| >
| > Not wanting programs on my computer that are not necessary, obviously.
| >
| > | Yes we are the judge - who else could it be - we know what our
software
| > | looks like and we know how to detect if it is legitimate.
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| > | Regards,
| > |
| > | Mike
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| > | Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
| >
| > Thanks for confirming my points, even if you don't even realize you did
| > it.
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